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Could Romney Win- But still Lose?

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Could Popular Vote Winner Lose the Election?


In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote by half a million votes but ultimately lost the electoral college after a bitter dispute about Florida's 27 electoral votes. Could a split happen again? In much current polling, Mitt Romney has a small lead in the national polls, but our electoral vote totals and those of others keeping track show President Obama leading in the electoral college.

Four times in U.S. history the person with the most popular votes has lost the election and it could happen again. A lot depends on Ohio. If Obama can add its 18 electoral votes to the 242 electoral votes in the states that have voted Democratic in the past five presidential elections, he would have 260. Add to this New Mexico, which has stopped swinging, and he has 265. Under these conditions, it is hard to see how Romney could get to 270 electoral votes, no matter what the popular vote is. He would essentially have to win all the remaining swing states. He currently trails in Nevada, Colorado, and Iowa, and is tied in Virginia and New Hampshire.

If there is another split between the popular vote and the electoral vote, there will be calls for a constitutional amendment abolishing the electoral college, but the small states that benefit from it are not likely to sign on and nothing will happen.
 
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Mike said:
Better yet.

How about they tie 269 to 269 and the vote goes to the "House"?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually this was being discussed on one of the news stations today- and they also made reference to a Nebraska split EV law...


What Happens If the Electoral College Is Tied?


Many election irregularities are possible and even expected on election day, including challenges to voters, arguments over provisional ballots, and much more. But even if the actual election goes fairly well, there is another potential problem: a tie in the electoral college.

Starting from today's map, suppose Mitt Romney wins Ohio and New Hampshire, making the score Obama 268 and Romney 270. But then suppose Obama wins congressional district NE-02, which he did in 2008, giving Obama one more electoral vote and splitting the electoral college down the middle, 269-269. (Actually, there are nearly 100 different ways it could be tied, as we discussed earlier.


According to the Constitution, the newly elected House would choose the President, with each state getting one vote. Probably most representatives would vote the party line, but the pressure on individual representatives to switch might be enormous. In the most likely scenario, Romney would be elected President by the House. But that is not the end of the story. If the Democrats hang onto the Senate, mostly likely the Senate would elect Joe Biden as Vice President. If the new Senate is split 50-50 when it convenes on Jan. 3, 2013, the sitting Vice President--Joe Biden--would break the tie. Judging from his attitude at the vice-presidential debate, Biden doesn't seem to think much of Paul Ryan and would probably vote for Joe Biden as Vice President.

What would a Romney-Biden administration be like? A lot depends on how Romney treats Biden. Barack Obama, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton all gave their Veeps lots of assignments. George H.W. Bush didn't think a lot of Dan Quayle and told him to stay in his room for 4 years. What would Romney do, given that he and Biden don't see eye to eye on anything and Romney can't realistically count on there being a funeral of a foreign leader every week to send Biden to.

At one extreme, Romney could completely shut Biden out of everything. No attendance at any important meetings, no work assignments, nothing at all. Absent a 50-50 split in the Senate, Biden would have nothing to do and might decide to spend the four years attacking everything Romney did, day and night, possibly in preparation for a 2016 run. It is doubtful that Romney would appreciate such a high-profile figure lambasting him day and night, but what could he do? At the other extreme, he could give Biden some actual work to do, assuming there were some items on the agenda where they actually agreed, but it is hard to see what they might be.

Having a President and Vice President from different parties is not a good idea. The country discovered this in the third presidential election (in 1796). At that time, the Constitution said that the guy with the most EVs got to be President and the guy with the next largest number got to be Veep. In 1796, John Adams, a Federalist, was elected President, and Thomas Jefferson, the founder of the modern Democratic Party, was elected Vice President. They didn't get along all that well. In 1800, Vice President Jefferson challenged and defeated President Adams. This sort of situation let to the twelfth amendment to the Constitution, which says that each presidential elector is to cast separate votes for President and Vice President, so coming in second for President doesn't buy you much, although you might get your own TV show on some friendly network.
 

ranch hand

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I would go for a Romney-Biden over an Obama-Biden

http://www.redstate.com/willbridges/2012/10/19/romney-holds-electoral-vote-lead-281-257-data-analysis/
 

Steve

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in such a situation.. would they wait until after the riots ?

if it goes to the house,.. then I would expect the "cities" to bring down the house...

while the Conservatives wait at home.. after putting it in GOD's hands,

oh please pass the ammo... :shock:
 
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Steve said:
in such a situation.. would they wait until after the riots ?

if it goes to the house,.. then I would expect the "cities" to bring down the house...

while the Conservatives wait at home.. after putting it in GOD's hands,

oh please pass the ammo... :shock:

Is there really that much expectation out of the election?...As we were discussing on another site- locally I see a lot of apathy in the Presidential race... I can't remember seeing a local billboard or a yard sign for Obama or for Romney... Lots for Tester or Rehberg- and all the other state and local races...And I've had several people ask me "who" is these candidates running for the US House race.. :roll:

As far as the Presidential race I think much of the apathy comes from the leftover mistrust of Repubs generated by GW and remembering who brought on the Bush Bust - the belief that Obama has not accomplished enough, but knowledge a lot was held up by Congress stonewalling everything-- and the belief by many that both Obama and Romney are part of the Washington establishment and are not going to change that much in regard to the problems of the country...

There is much more of an uproar in our area over MT Fish & Game and Gov Schweitzers idea to allow areas of free roaming buffalo in the state-- and as I told both Tester and Bullock several months ago- unless they could get the Gov- and Fish and Game to back water and change their minds on this stupid idea- I was not sure if another Dem could win a major election in the state...
 

cowman52

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Can't remember but the electoral college doesn't meet till late nov??
How many lawsuits will have to be adjudicated before that happens, my guess somewhere in Ohio a case will be brought, Colorado, Wisconsin also.
This regime ain't gonna go away with any class.
 

Mike

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OT wrote:

the belief that Obama has not accomplished enough, but knowledge a lot was held up by Congress stonewalling everything--

Republicans stonewalling everything when a Filibuster Proof "Democratic" Congress is in session? :lol: :lol:

Remember the line from MacBeth about the "idiot" I showed you? Bill Shakespeare had you pegged.........................................
:lol:
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
- the belief that Obama has not accomplished enough, but knowledge a lot was held up by Congress stonewalling everything--


It appears many do not realize what a real "Leader" is and how they can still accomplish what they set out to accomplish, when they have majority support for 2 of their 4 yeaars in the leadership role.

Reagan accomplished much, as did Clinton, while in a leadership role, with much opposition.

OT, you are too partisan to have an intelligent discussion on what true leadership entails.


You'd rather have a dictator in power that everyone bows to, so as your agenda is reached.
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
As far as the Presidential race I think much of the apathy comes from the leftover mistrust of Repubs generated by GW and remembering who brought on the Bush Bust - the belief that Obama has not accomplished enough, but knowledge a lot was held up by Congress stonewalling everything-- ...

:lol: I see the alcohol hasn't worn off.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
- the belief that Obama has not accomplished enough, but knowledge a lot was held up by Congress stonewalling everything--


It appears many do not realize what a real "Leader" is and how they can still accomplish what they set out to accomplish, when they have majority support for 2 of their 4 yeaars in the leadership role.

Reagan accomplished much, as did Clinton, while in a leadership role, with much opposition.

OT, you are too partisan to have an intelligent discussion on what true leadership entails.


You'd rather have a dictator in power that everyone bows to, so as your agenda is reached.

You can't always just say NO.. Some of these debt extension decisions that came down to the last minute- and then only a bandaid approach to fix them-which took down the nations credit rating - is not putting either Obama or Republicans in a good light...

Many in this area are dependent on Agriculture- and have to do their long term planning around the bipartisan agreed to Farm Bill... And the refusal to act on the Farm Bill- and then deciding to take a month of twos vacation and let the current bill run out has a lot of locals wondering what the Republican House is doing to earn their wages....

As far as being partisan- prior to GW and his Repub rubber stamp Congress- I don't think I said much bad about any Repub President or any Repubs (except Conrad Burns- when he disappointed me and turned into a crook)...Even voted for both- GW and Conrad :( - but was disappointed after a few years when the truth of their actions started coming to light... Prior to that- the last Repub President I probably ever spoke out against was Nixon and that crew of crooks....

But GW's administration and that Congress disappointed not only me- but lots of folks...

Who 10 years ago - or even 8-- would have thought that GW and the Repubs who had control of everything would have been so bad and disappointing to such a large broad section of the country that Obama could get elected?... That even any black man could get elected? Or back then- any Dem could get elected?...

I sure didn't and I remember posting it on here-- as I didn't think Obama could win the Dem nomination either...But by about 7 years ago it was becoming quite evident that with the disappointment in GW and the Repubs in Congress- a Dem would probably win the White House...

And that was even before Bush fiddled while the economy crashed and we ended up in the Bush Bust... And like I said- I think a lot of folks remember that---and can't see much better out of either party...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
- the belief that Obama has not accomplished enough, but knowledge a lot was held up by Congress stonewalling everything--


It appears many do not realize what a real "Leader" is and how they can still accomplish what they set out to accomplish, when they have majority support for 2 of their 4 yeaars in the leadership role.

Reagan accomplished much, as did Clinton, while in a leadership role, with much opposition.

OT, you are too partisan to have an intelligent discussion on what true leadership entails.


You'd rather have a dictator in power that everyone bows to, so as your agenda is reached.

You can't always just say NO.. Some of these debt extension decisions that came down to the last minute- and then only a bandaid approach to fix them-- is not putting either Obama or Republicans in a good light...

Many in this area are dependent on Agriculture- and have to do their long term planning around the bipartisan agreed to Farm Bill... And the refusal to act on the Farm Bill- and then deciding to take a month of twos vacation and let the current bill run out has a lot of locals wondering what the Republican House is doing to earn their wages....

As far as being partisan- prior to GW and his Repub rubber stamp Congress- I don't think I said much bad about any Repub President or any Repubs (except Conrad Burns- when he disappointed me and turned into a crook)...Even voted for both- GW and Conrad :( - but was disappointed after a few years when the truth of their actions started coming to light... Prior to that- the last Repub President I probably ever spoke out against was Nixon and that crew of crooks....

But GW's administration and that Congress disappointed not only me- but lots of folks...

Who 10 years ago - or even 8-- would have thought that GW and the Repubs who had control of everything would have been so bad and disappointing to such a large broad section of the country that Obama could get elected?... That even any black man could get elected? Or back then- any Dem could get elected?...

I sure didn't and I remember posting it on here-- as I didn't think Obama could win the Dem nomination either...But by about 7 years ago it was becoming quite evident that with the disappointment in GW and the Repubs in Congress- a Dem would probably win the White House...

And that was even before Bush fiddled while the economy crashed and we ended up in the Bush Bust... And like I said- I think a lot of folks remember that---and can't see much better out of either party...



What does Bush have to do with the lack of leadership since 2008?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
It appears many do not realize what a real "Leader" is and how they can still accomplish what they set out to accomplish, when they have majority support for 2 of their 4 yeaars in the leadership role.

Reagan accomplished much, as did Clinton, while in a leadership role, with much opposition.

OT, you are too partisan to have an intelligent discussion on what true leadership entails.


You'd rather have a dictator in power that everyone bows to, so as your agenda is reached.

You can't always just say NO.. Some of these debt extension decisions that came down to the last minute- and then only a bandaid approach to fix them-- is not putting either Obama or Republicans in a good light...

Many in this area are dependent on Agriculture- and have to do their long term planning around the bipartisan agreed to Farm Bill... And the refusal to act on the Farm Bill- and then deciding to take a month of twos vacation and let the current bill run out has a lot of locals wondering what the Republican House is doing to earn their wages....

As far as being partisan- prior to GW and his Repub rubber stamp Congress- I don't think I said much bad about any Repub President or any Repubs (except Conrad Burns- when he disappointed me and turned into a crook)...Even voted for both- GW and Conrad :( - but was disappointed after a few years when the truth of their actions started coming to light... Prior to that- the last Repub President I probably ever spoke out against was Nixon and that crew of crooks....

But GW's administration and that Congress disappointed not only me- but lots of folks...

Who 10 years ago - or even 8-- would have thought that GW and the Repubs who had control of everything would have been so bad and disappointing to such a large broad section of the country that Obama could get elected?... That even any black man could get elected? Or back then- any Dem could get elected?...

I sure didn't and I remember posting it on here-- as I didn't think Obama could win the Dem nomination either...But by about 7 years ago it was becoming quite evident that with the disappointment in GW and the Repubs in Congress- a Dem would probably win the White House...

And that was even before Bush fiddled while the economy crashed and we ended up in the Bush Bust... And like I said- I think a lot of folks remember that---and can't see much better out of either party...



What does Bush have to do with the lack of leadership since 2008?

You don't think that a lot of folks that lost all their retirement- or their houses- or jobs- or all don't remember who was in charge and brought on the Bush Bust :???:

Will Romney follow the same old ideas :???: At least Obama is a known...

And since have seen nothing but obstructionalism from the Repub Party in fixing those problems...They need to show themselves as something besides just the party of NO and come up with some ideas- and compromises...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
You can't always just say NO.. Some of these debt extension decisions that came down to the last minute- and then only a bandaid approach to fix them-- is not putting either Obama or Republicans in a good light...

Many in this area are dependent on Agriculture- and have to do their long term planning around the bipartisan agreed to Farm Bill... And the refusal to act on the Farm Bill- and then deciding to take a month of twos vacation and let the current bill run out has a lot of locals wondering what the Republican House is doing to earn their wages....

As far as being partisan- prior to GW and his Repub rubber stamp Congress- I don't think I said much bad about any Repub President or any Repubs (except Conrad Burns- when he disappointed me and turned into a crook)...Even voted for both- GW and Conrad :( - but was disappointed after a few years when the truth of their actions started coming to light... Prior to that- the last Repub President I probably ever spoke out against was Nixon and that crew of crooks....

But GW's administration and that Congress disappointed not only me- but lots of folks...

Who 10 years ago - or even 8-- would have thought that GW and the Repubs who had control of everything would have been so bad and disappointing to such a large broad section of the country that Obama could get elected?... That even any black man could get elected? Or back then- any Dem could get elected?...

I sure didn't and I remember posting it on here-- as I didn't think Obama could win the Dem nomination either...But by about 7 years ago it was becoming quite evident that with the disappointment in GW and the Repubs in Congress- a Dem would probably win the White House...

And that was even before Bush fiddled while the economy crashed and we ended up in the Bush Bust... And like I said- I think a lot of folks remember that---and can't see much better out of either party...



What does Bush have to do with the lack of leadership since 2008?

You don't think that a lot of folks that lost all their retirement- or their houses- or jobs- or all don't remember who was in charge and brought on the Bush Bust :???:

Will Romney follow the same old ideas :???: At least Obama is a known...

And since have seen nothing but obstructionalism from the Repub Party in fixing those problems...They need to show themselves as something besides just the party of NO and come up with some ideas- and compromises...


so because obama wasn't a leader the first 2 years, with a Dem. majority, Republicans should be seen as the party of NO, in his last 2 years?

Has the US been Leaderless for the last 4 years or what?


I heard the Sherriff in Valley County, after your term, blamed all crime on you. I didn't think it fair, but it seems that you agree with him.
 

cowman52

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Obstruction--this in the senate that is as froze up as a cog on a horse drawn deficate slinger.

We spend more than we take in, dumb mass, you can't run you piece of ground that way and the country cant either!

And I compromise with my banker--I just spend 1/2 as much as I don't have!
That's 400 percent stupider.
 
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I think there is many more people than any of you realize that feel the same as I do about the two political cults-- and the Washington establishment...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
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I think there is many more people than any of you realize that feel the same as I do about the two political cults-- and the Washington establishment...


Yet you only criticize the one. :roll:


If your actions matched your words, we might even believe you, but we don't.


You call me a "cultist", yet many more on this site have called me "unbiased" than you. How can that be?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
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I think there is many more people than any of you realize that feel the same as I do about the two political cults-- and the Washington establishment...


Yet you only criticize the one. :roll:


If your actions matched your words, we might even believe you, but we don't.


You call me a "cultist", yet many more on this site have called me "unbiased" than you. How can that be?


Like I said- why even look for anything anti Obama- or anti Dem- or anti black or hispanic--- I know you or Mike or one of the others will post it.... :wink: :p :lol: I even quit going to most of those sites- because it shows up as fast on here without searching...
 
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