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COW TAX-MUST RESPOND BY FRIDAY!!!!!!!!

Hanta Yo

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Producers,

I would be very, very concerned about this. Please do your part and send in your comments!


Hanta Yo



November 25, 2008


EPA Proposes "Cow Tax"

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has issued an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in preparation to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act. But first, in order to regulate automobile emissions, EPA has to make a finding that greenhouse gases endanger public health and safety and should be classified as a pollutant.
If that happens, says Ken Hamilton, executive vice president of the Wyoming Farm Bureau, "The regulation automatically initiates other provisions of the Clean Air Act. One of those provisions requires permits from anyone who emits more than 100 tons/year of a regulated pollutant, and there are millions of sources that emit more than 100 tons of carbon."
In fact, USDA says that a producer with more than 50 beef cows, 25 dairy cows or 200 hogs would emit more than 100 tons of carbon and be subject to the permitting requirements.
"These thresholds would impact 99% of dairy producers, over 90% of beef producers and 95% of hog producers in the U.S.," says Rick Krause, American Farm Bureau Federation director of regulatory relations. Under the proposal, if a state charged the "presumptive minimum rate" from EPA, the cow tax would be $87.50/head for beef cattle, $175/head for dairy cows and around $20/hog, he said.
EPA is accepting comments through November 28. For information, go to www.epa.gov/climatechange/anpr.html. All livestock producers should take time to comment before the November 28th deadline.Source: Wyoming Farm Bureau

A Letter Regarding the Clean Air Act

Dear Cattle Producer & Farm Owner:
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has on its docket a draft of Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPR) related to regulation of greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act. This is a proposal that has slipped by most agricultural producers, however could have a huge impact on how we do business if this rule passes. The final comment period is at midnight Friday, November 28, 2008. We need to stand up to be heard and I would strongly recommend a little light reading in the next couple of days to understand the full impact.
I will be the first to admit that I am not a political activist and that is a fault of mine. I should take more interest in this kind of stuff since it directly impacts how I do business and whether the beef producers I work for will even be in business.
In short this draft is trying to measure greenhouse gas emissions, but the EPA feels that all sources need to be identified and regulated the same. To put it this way the Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce, Transportation and Energy submitted comments against this rule and each Secretary has some interesting summaries on the impact it will have for their industry. If this rule passes, a dairy farm with 25 cows, a beef producer with 50 cows. a hog producer with 200 pigs or a farmer with 500 acres of corn, 250 acres of soybeans, 350 acres of potatoes or only 35 acres of rice will be required to request an EPA permit to operate. The other quandary is how would an agriculture producer even begin to measure the greenhouse gases produced in an agricultural operation.
The numbers being proposed by various ag entities is that this "tax" would be the equivalent of $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per beef cow and $20 per pig. The crop farmers would also have to pay, but a specific dollar figure has not been attached on a per acre basis. I would encourage you to visit www.epa.gov/climatechange/anpr.html to learn more about this proposed rule. I would also encourage you to add your comments to the many already being posted.
When writing a letter, email or comment on line, refer to Docket # EPA-HQ-OAR-2008-0318. At this late date I recommend email, fax or online comments. Don't forget the deadline is November 28, 2008 to comment on this proposed rule.

Email: [email protected]
Fax: 202-566-9744
Website: www.epa.gov/climatechange/anpr.html and follow the instructions on the website.
Sincerely,
Lori Maude
Gelbvieh World Editor
 

Hanta Yo

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I went to the website to view the comments. Not surprisingly, it is comprised of a few form letters sent by thousands and thousands of enviro wackos. I even see some people posting comments more than once. We need to stand up and fight this!!!! Taxing us for our cows, tractors, etc for carbon emission will not fix carbon emissions, we have to have X number of cows to make a living. The tax will only put us out of business. If that is how EPA wants to reduce emissions, by putting Agriculture out of business, who is going to feed America?

We need to stand up and comment by Friday!
 
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Anonymous

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You ain't saying a Bush Administrations Agency would try to push something thru the backdoor without fully informing folks are you :???:

Like they did with NAIS, BSE Border Rules, and changes to M-COOL :???:
 

MsSage

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No what she is saying is the deadline to COMMENT is Friday. They will not go before congress untill after the first of the year. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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MsSage said:
No what she is saying is the deadline to COMMENT is Friday. They will not go before congress untill after the first of the year. :roll:

Oh I'm quite aware of how the rulemaking system works...But someone in the Bush Boys Agency had to write the rule- and put it it up for the change or you wouldn't have a rule to comment on...
Or did GW abdicate and flee the country while I was sleeping last night :???: :p
It seems funny that this rule only becomes apparent to the livestock industry 4-5 days before the comment period closes..
Especially when this has been the entire history of how the Bush Boys have operated for the last 8 years with their "we know better than the common folk" arrogancy... :(
 

Hanta Yo

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Oldtimer said:
MsSage said:
No what she is saying is the deadline to COMMENT is Friday. They will not go before congress untill after the first of the year. :roll:

Oh I'm quite aware of how the rulemaking system works...But someone in the Bush Boys Agency had to write the rule- and put it it up for the change or you wouldn't have a rule to comment on...
Or did GW abdicate and flee the country while I was sleeping last night :???: :p
It seems funny that this rule only becomes apparent to the livestock industry 4-5 days before the comment period closes..
Especially when this has been the entire history of how the Bush Boys have operated for the last 8 years with their "we know better than the common folk" arrogancy... :(


OT, why don't you quit blaming everything on Bush and do something about this??????????????????

The ANPR is one of the steps EPA has taken in response to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Massachusetts v. EPA. The Court found that the Clean Air Act authorizes EPA to regulate tailpipe greenhouse gas emissions if EPA determines they cause or contribute to air pollution that may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare. The ANPR reflects the complexity and magnitude of the question of whether and how greenhouse gases could be effectively controlled under the Clean Air Act.

Read my lips: Bush had nothing to do with the Supreme Court's decision!!
For more information from Administrator Stephen Johnson, go here:

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/downloads/ANPRPreamble1.pdf
 
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Anonymous

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Well Hanta- if your Champion was half what you think he is-- you'd think he'd have his folks at EPA and USDA getting all this info out to the public and the producers earlier than 3-4 days before its end of comment time- don't you :???:

How'd all those greenies know about it-- But our USDA- that is supposed to be the watchdog for our good before Bush turned them into Packer lackeys and trading reps- didn't sound the alert.. :???:

Where was NCBA- too busy spending their USDA money promoting shoving the USDA's Mandatory ID mandate on everyone :???:
 

Hanta Yo

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Oldtimer said:
Well Hanta- if your Champion was half what you think he is-- you'd think he'd have his folks at EPA and USDA getting all this info out to the public and the producers earlier than 3-4 days before its end of comment time- don't you :???:

How'd all those greenies know about it-- But our USDA- that is supposed to be the watchdog for our good before Bush turned them into Packer lackeys and trading reps- didn't sound the alert.. :???:

Where was NCBA- too busy spending their USDA money promoting shoving the USDA's Mandatory ID mandate on everyone :???:


Looky here:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29938

I did get email from NCBA about the tax. Did you hear anything from your beloved R-Calf??????

You and you left wingnuts will sit there and not do anything about this...you will sit back and point fingers and blame, blame, blame. If this tax comes to pass, you will still sit back and point fingers and blame, blame, blame.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
MsSage said:
No what she is saying is the deadline to COMMENT is Friday. They will not go before congress untill after the first of the year. :roll:

Oh I'm quite aware of how the rulemaking system works...But someone in the Bush Boys Agency had to write the rule- and put it it up for the change or you wouldn't have a rule to comment on...
Or did GW abdicate and flee the country while I was sleeping last night :???: :p
It seems funny that this rule only becomes apparent to the livestock industry 4-5 days before the comment period closes..
Especially when this has been the entire history of how the Bush Boys have operated for the last 8 years with their "we know better than the common folk" arrogancy... :(

OT..looks like he's listening to Al Gore now.
 

MsSage

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SO WHAT does it really matter?
Do something NOW There is still time for you to act in the best interest of cattle ranchers/farmers.
 

kolanuraven

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We pay a county tax now on cattle, tractors, etc on the farm.

It's always been that way and we've all not rolled over and died and/or gone broke...and there are some BIG cattle operations here ( hint...hint :wink: ) and tons of 'mom & pop' sized farms.


Secondly, Bush is rumored to be a ' rancher', and I use that term loosely, so wonder why he's not up in arms about this???? Hmmmmmmmmmm????????????????


We are taxed here, too. All personal property plus taxed on all livestock we own. We just started out here 3 years ago, purchased cows on the high end, now prices are in the toilet. For spoiled little rich girls like you, who had everything given to you, why should you care? :mad:
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
We pay a county tax now on cattle, tractors, etc on the farm.

It's always been that way and we've all not rolled over and died and/or gone broke...and there are some BIG cattle operations here ( hint...hint :wink: ) and tons of 'mom & pop' sized farms.


Secondly, Bush is rumored to be a ' rancher', and I use that term loosely, so wonder why he's not up in arms about this???? Hmmmmmmmmmm????????????????

Don't pay taxes on cattle in Texas. And Bush has a ranch but no cattle.
 
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kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
And Bush has a ranch but no cattle.


Yep....you said it perfectly..." all hat & no cows", that's Bush. :roll: :roll:

Maybe the rightwing rumor about Bush buying a large Argentine ranch is true- and this is the way he figures to make things more competitive for his cheap imports...


And actually I did get notified- I got an email from a member in Wyoming on the 22nd...But didn't have the links & had not been able to verify it, so didn't post it or send it on...
Its funny that folks are only hearing of this now- when most rules comment periods are 30-60 days... :???:

And I already sent e-mails to both Baucus and Tester to check into it....
 
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hopalong said:
kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
And Bush has a ranch but no cattle.


Yep....you said it perfectly..." all hat & no cows", that's Bush. :roll: :roll:

Stay on topic kolo!!!

Kola- you just went over the yapdogs head- his non rancher/cattleman background does not allow him to understand what you said.... :roll: :(
 

Hanta Yo

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Kolanuraven wrote:
We pay a county tax now on cattle, tractors, etc on the farm.

It's always been that way and we've all not rolled over and died and/or gone broke...and there are some BIG cattle operations here ( hint...hint :wink: ) and tons of 'mom & pop' sized farms.


Secondly, Bush is rumored to be a ' rancher', and I use that term loosely, so wonder why he's not up in arms about this???? Hmmmmmmmmmm????????????????


We are taxed here, too, at the county and state level. All personal property plus taxed on all livestock we own. We just started out here 3 years ago, purchased cows on the high end, now prices are in the toilet. For spoiled little rich girls like you, who had everything given to you, why should you care? :mad:
 
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Hanta Yo said:
Kolanuraven wrote:
We pay a county tax now on cattle, tractors, etc on the farm.

It's always been that way and we've all not rolled over and died and/or gone broke...and there are some BIG cattle operations here ( hint...hint :wink: ) and tons of 'mom & pop' sized farms.


Secondly, Bush is rumored to be a ' rancher', and I use that term loosely, so wonder why he's not up in arms about this???? Hmmmmmmmmmm????????????????


We are taxed here, too, at the county and state level. All personal property plus taxed on all livestock we own. We just started out here 3 years ago, purchased cows on the high end, now prices are in the toilet. For spoiled little rich girls like you, who had everything given to you, why should you care? :mad:

I thought Bush/NCBA/Packer policy was supposed to lead us into a life of riches :???: :wink: :p

His Fatcat elitist Banker buddies seem to be doing OK after getting their Bush requested bailouts .... And I haven't heard any of the Bush/Cheny oil execs whining much about their multi million dollar salaries- and golden parachutes..... :wink:
 
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loomixguy said:
Maybe this tax is part of the "change" you want so badly, Old Komrade.

Not really- but it is surprising the Bush's regime that supposed to be anti tax and anti more government :roll: is moving ahead to push it thru...And especially that their USDA thats supposed to be for the US producer hasn't alerted the US producers :???:

I will survive- and probably a lot better if my tax money is put back into rebuilding the US infrastructure and supporting the US taxpayer and rebuilding the US economy- rather than paying for Halliburton to build bridges in Iraq and appeasing every Iraqi Mufti or Mullah with their hand out- or for every importer that wants to ship in cheap foreign beef unlabeled.... :roll:
 
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