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Credit where credit is due

fff

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aplusmnt and others seem to continually complain that "liberals" are blaming everything bad that happens in this country on Bush.

So this is the chance for her to put out some of the good things Bush can be credited for. And, of course, how those good things Bush did have helped the country over his seven years.

Personally, I can find a lot of things in my life that are worse than when he took office, but, right off the top of my head, I can't come up with anything that's better.

Interest rates are down, so my income from investments is less. We don't borrow money, so low interest rates aren't helping us out there.
Gasoline prices are about three times as high, making the trips to town fewer.
Food, insurance, fertilizer, grass seed, cow feed, diesel, all cost more. We didn't get much of a tax cut because we're pretty middle income, but the cost of living increases/inflation we've seen under Bush certainly ate up that tax cut.
I don't feel a bit safer than I did when Clinton left office. In fact, I believe we're more at risk because of the bad feelings Bush has stirred up in the Middle East. He certainly hasn't strengthened our borders during his term in office. And our military leaders say the Army is very stressed.
We may be looking at a property tax increase to buy gas for the school buses.
With the firing of US attorneys and stuff coming out about them being used for political purposes, I sure don't have as much confidence in our legal system as I did when Bush took office.

I'll have to ponder a bit more on this. But I'm sure aplusmnt can find some positives to post.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
I am not Aplusment, but I can offer this for your consideration.

Comparing Income Taxes under Bill Clinton and George Bush





Individual Income Tax Due in 2008,
Bush Law versus Clinton Law
For taxpayers who take the standard deduction and have no children
Taxpayer Tax That Would Have Been Owed under Clinton-Era Tax Law Tax Owed under Current Law, with Bush Tax Cuts
Single, income of 30,000 $3,157.50 $2,756.25
Single, income of 50,000 $7,262.50 $6,606.25
Married, income of $50,000 $5,085.00 $4,012.50
Married, income of $60,000 $6,585.00 $5,512.50
Single, income of $75,000 $14,262.50 $12,856.25
Married, income of $75,000 $9,426.50 $7,762.50
Single, income of $125,000* $29,378.50 $26,472.25
Married, income of $125,000* $23,426.50 $19,462.50
loooks like this is one positive thing and it only took me 2 minutes to find it!
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff said:
aplusmnt and others seem to continually complain that "liberals" are blaming everything bad that happens in this country on Bush.

So this is the chance for her to put out some of the good things Bush can be credited for. And, of course, how those good things Bush did have helped the country over his seven years.

Personally, I can find a lot of things in my life that are worse than when he took office, but, right off the top of my head, I can't come up with anything that's better.

Interest rates are down, so my income from investments is less. We don't borrow money, so low interest rates aren't helping us out there.
Gasoline prices are about three times as high, making the trips to town fewer.
Food, insurance, fertilizer, grass seed, cow feed, diesel, all cost more. We didn't get much of a tax cut because we're pretty middle income, but the cost of living increases/inflation we've seen under Bush certainly ate up that tax cut.
I don't feel a bit safer than I did when Clinton left office. In fact, I believe we're more at risk because of the bad feelings Bush has stirred up in the Middle East. He certainly hasn't strengthened our borders during his term in office. And our military leaders say the Army is very stressed.
We may be looking at a property tax increase to buy gas for the school buses.
With the firing of US attorneys and stuff coming out about them being used for political purposes, I sure don't have as much confidence in our legal system as I did when Bush took office.

I'll have to ponder a bit more on this. But I'm sure aplusmnt can find some positives to post.

As I have told you before I am not a big fan of George W Bush. But I will list a few things I am happy with. But the biggest accomplishment is not in his doing things I would have wanted the President to do but in the fact of what was not allowed to be done if Gore or Kerry would have been elected.

Here is a few from his 1st term

---Kept Americans safe after the terrorist declared war on us on 911
---Liberated 20 Million Afghanistan people
---Liberated 22 Million Iraqi People.
---Brought the U.S. out of the Recession Clinton left even in face of 2 wars
---Grew the economy even though faced with Katrina and 2 wars.
---Signed the Protection act (nation wide Amber alert)
---Defeated John Kerry
---Signed the Keeping Children Safe Act
---Signed the Partial Birth Abortion act
---Signed the Prescription Drug act
---Got Lybia to pledge to dismantle WMD's program
---Caught Saddam Hussein along with his Sons and brought to justice
---Signed Unborn Victims of Violence act
---Signed order on sharing of Terrorism information
---Signed Working families tax relief act
---Signed order to help disabled vets with businesses to get federal contracts
---Signed Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act
---Signed Bill to increase the number of community Health care centers
---Signed the Corporate Corruption Bill
---Signed the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of
---Signed Campaign Finance Reform Act
---Increased the budget for border security
---Signed Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
---Signed Terrorism Relief Act
---Signed Afghan Women and Children Relief Act
---Signed Military Construction Appropriations Bill
---Signed Tax Cut bill

---Attacked enemies and terrorist in aggressive offensive effort instead of burying his head in the sand and ignoring Muslim Terrorist attacking us like Bill Clinton did. Took the fight to them!
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
aplusmnt and others seem to continually complain that "liberals" are blaming everything bad that happens in this country on Bush.

So this is the chance for her to put out some of the good things Bush can be credited for. And, of course, how those good things Bush did have helped the country over his seven years.

Personally, I can find a lot of things in my life that are worse than when he took office, but, right off the top of my head, I can't come up with anything that's better.

Interest rates are down, so my income from investments is less. We don't borrow money, so low interest rates aren't helping us out there.
Gasoline prices are about three times as high, making the trips to town fewer.
Food, insurance, fertilizer, grass seed, cow feed, diesel, all cost more. We didn't get much of a tax cut because we're pretty middle income, but the cost of living increases/inflation we've seen under Bush certainly ate up that tax cut.
I don't feel a bit safer than I did when Clinton left office. In fact, I believe we're more at risk because of the bad feelings Bush has stirred up in the Middle East. He certainly hasn't strengthened our borders during his term in office. And our military leaders say the Army is very stressed.
We may be looking at a property tax increase to buy gas for the school buses.
With the firing of US attorneys and stuff coming out about them being used for political purposes, I sure don't have as much confidence in our legal system as I did when Bush took office.

I'll have to ponder a bit more on this. But I'm sure aplusmnt can find some positives to post.

As I have told you before I am not a big fan of George W Bush. But I will list a few things I am happy with. But the biggest accomplishment is not in his doing things I would have wanted the President to do but in the fact of what was not allowed to be done if Gore or Kerry would have been elected.

Here is a few from his 1st term

---Kept Americans safe after the terrorist declared war on us on 911
---Liberated 20 Million Afghanistan people
---Liberated 22 Million Iraqi People.
---Brought the U.S. out of the Recession Clinton left even in face of 2 wars
---Grew the economy even though faced with Katrina and 2 wars.
---Signed the Protection act (nation wide Amber alert)
---Defeated John Kerry
---Signed the Keeping Children Safe Act
---Signed the Partial Birth Abortion act
---Signed the Prescription Drug act
---Got Lybia to pledge to dismantle WMD's program
---Caught Saddam Hussein along with his Sons and brought to justice
---Signed Unborn Victims of Violence act
---Signed order on sharing of Terrorism information
---Signed Working families tax relief act
---Signed order to help disabled vets with businesses to get federal contracts
---Signed Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act
---Signed Bill to increase the number of community Health care centers
---Signed the Corporate Corruption Bill
---Signed the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of
---Signed Campaign Finance Reform Act
---Increased the budget for border security
---Signed Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
---Signed Terrorism Relief Act
---Signed Afghan Women and Children Relief Act
---Signed Military Construction Appropriations Bill
---Signed Tax Cut bill

---Attacked enemies and terrorist in aggressive offensive effort instead of burying his head in the sand and ignoring Muslim Terrorist attacking us like Bill Clinton did. Took the fight to them!


tsk...tsk...tsk....Bless Your Heart!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff You being awful quiet, guess you believed all the Liberal websites and thought Bush never did anything progressive?
 

TSR

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
aplusmnt and others seem to continually complain that "liberals" are blaming everything bad that happens in this country on Bush.

So this is the chance for her to put out some of the good things Bush can be credited for. And, of course, how those good things Bush did have helped the country over his seven years.

Personally, I can find a lot of things in my life that are worse than when he took office, but, right off the top of my head, I can't come up with anything that's better.

Interest rates are down, so my income from investments is less. We don't borrow money, so low interest rates aren't helping us out there.
Gasoline prices are about three times as high, making the trips to town fewer.
Food, insurance, fertilizer, grass seed, cow feed, diesel, all cost more. We didn't get much of a tax cut because we're pretty middle income, but the cost of living increases/inflation we've seen under Bush certainly ate up that tax cut.
I don't feel a bit safer than I did when Clinton left office. In fact, I believe we're more at risk because of the bad feelings Bush has stirred up in the Middle East. He certainly hasn't strengthened our borders during his term in office. And our military leaders say the Army is very stressed.
We may be looking at a property tax increase to buy gas for the school buses.
With the firing of US attorneys and stuff coming out about them being used for political purposes, I sure don't have as much confidence in our legal system as I did when Bush took office.

I'll have to ponder a bit more on this. But I'm sure aplusmnt can find some positives to post.

As I have told you before I am not a big fan of George W Bush. But I will list a few things I am happy with. But the biggest accomplishment is not in his doing things I would have wanted the President to do but in the fact of what was not allowed to be done if Gore or Kerry would have been elected.

Here is a few from his 1st term

---Kept Americans safe after the terrorist declared war on us on 911
---Liberated 20 Million Afghanistan people
---Liberated 22 Million Iraqi People.
---Brought the U.S. out of the Recession Clinton left even in face of 2 wars
---Grew the economy even though faced with Katrina and 2 wars.
---Signed the Protection act (nation wide Amber alert)
---Defeated John Kerry
---Signed the Keeping Children Safe Act
---Signed the Partial Birth Abortion act
---Signed the Prescription Drug act
---Got Lybia to pledge to dismantle WMD's program
---Caught Saddam Hussein along with his Sons and brought to justice
---Signed Unborn Victims of Violence act
---Signed order on sharing of Terrorism information
---Signed Working families tax relief act
---Signed order to help disabled vets with businesses to get federal contracts
---Signed Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act
---Signed Bill to increase the number of community Health care centers
---Signed the Corporate Corruption Bill
---Signed the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of
---Signed Campaign Finance Reform Act
---Increased the budget for border security
---Signed Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
---Signed Terrorism Relief Act
---Signed Afghan Women and Children Relief Act
---Signed Military Construction Appropriations Bill
---Signed Tax Cut bill

---Attacked enemies and terrorist in aggressive offensive effort instead of burying his head in the sand and ignoring Muslim Terrorist attacking us like Bill Clinton did. Took the fight to them!

Signed the Corporate Corruption Bill :???: :???: Was that to allow corruption :? :?
Signed the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act ?? Didn't he just say he would veto additional educational benefits aimed for our veterans??
Increased the budget for border security?? Yes sir that fence is coming along at a fantastic rate I bet.
Signed Tax Cut Bill- well we have to help out those large corporations who have to pay all those taxes abroad don't we? After all they are really struggling.
 

Mike

Well-known member
The Corporate Corruption Bill = the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

"The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (Pub.L. 107-204, 116 Stat. 745, enacted 2002-07-30), also known as the Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of 2002 and commonly called SOx or Sarbox; is a United States federal law enacted on July 30, 2002 in response to a number of major corporate and accounting scandals including those affecting Enron, Tyco International, Adelphia, Peregrine Systems and WorldCom. These scandals, which cost investors billions of dollars when the share prices of the affected companies collapsed, shook public confidence in the nation's securities markets. Named after sponsors Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) and Representative Michael G. Oxley (R-OH), the Act was approved by the House by a vote of 423-3 and by the Senate 99-0. President George W. Bush signed it into law, stating it included "the most far-reaching reforms of American business practices since the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt."[1]

The legislation establishes new or enhanced standards for all U.S. public company boards, management, and public accounting firms. It does not apply to privately held companies. The Act contains 11 titles, or sections, ranging from additional Corporate Board responsibilities to criminal penalties, and requires the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to implement rulings on requirements to comply with the new law. Debate continues over the perceived benefits and costs of SOX. Supporters contend that the legislation was necessary and has played a useful role in restoring public confidence in the nation's capital markets by, among other things, strengthening corporate accounting controls.

The Act establishes a new quasi-public agency, the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, or PCAOB, which is charged with overseeing, regulating, inspecting, and disciplining accounting firms in their roles as auditors of public companies. The Act also covers issues such as auditor independence, corporate governance, internal control assessment, and enhanced financial disclosure."

Funny this bill was signed soon after Bush took office. The corporations were running rampant during the Clinton tenure...........
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
Here is a few from his 1st term

---Kept Americans safe after the terrorist declared war on us on 911
---Liberated 20 Million Afghanistan people
---Liberated 22 Million Iraqi People.
---Brought the U.S. out of the Recession Clinton left even in face of 2 wars
---Grew the economy even though faced with Katrina and 2 wars.
---Signed the Protection act (nation wide Amber alert)
---Defeated John Kerry
---Signed the Keeping Children Safe Act
---Signed the Partial Birth Abortion act
---Signed the Prescription Drug act
---Got Lybia to pledge to dismantle WMD's program
---Caught Saddam Hussein along with his Sons and brought to justice
---Signed Unborn Victims of Violence act
---Signed order on sharing of Terrorism information
---Signed Working families tax relief act
---Signed order to help disabled vets with businesses to get federal contracts
---Signed Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act
---Signed Bill to increase the number of community Health care centers
---Signed the Corporate Corruption Bill
---Signed the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of
---Signed Campaign Finance Reform Act
---Increased the budget for border security
---Signed Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
---Signed Terrorism Relief Act
---Signed Afghan Women and Children Relief Act
---Signed Military Construction Appropriations Bill
---Signed Tax Cut bill

---Attacked enemies and terrorist in aggressive offensive effort instead of burying his head in the sand and ignoring Muslim Terrorist attacking us like Bill Clinton did. Took the fight to them!
NO, FFF wanted GOOD things he did. Padding his corporate buddies pocket books with legalized larceny is not a good thing. Neither is the evisceration of the Bill of Rights..............
 

Mike

Well-known member
Goodpasture said:
aplusmnt said:
Here is a few from his 1st term

---Kept Americans safe after the terrorist declared war on us on 911
---Liberated 20 Million Afghanistan people
---Liberated 22 Million Iraqi People.
---Brought the U.S. out of the Recession Clinton left even in face of 2 wars
---Grew the economy even though faced with Katrina and 2 wars.
---Signed the Protection act (nation wide Amber alert)
---Defeated John Kerry
---Signed the Keeping Children Safe Act
---Signed the Partial Birth Abortion act
---Signed the Prescription Drug act
---Got Lybia to pledge to dismantle WMD's program
---Caught Saddam Hussein along with his Sons and brought to justice
---Signed Unborn Victims of Violence act
---Signed order on sharing of Terrorism information
---Signed Working families tax relief act
---Signed order to help disabled vets with businesses to get federal contracts
---Signed Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act
---Signed Bill to increase the number of community Health care centers
---Signed the Corporate Corruption Bill
---Signed the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of
---Signed Campaign Finance Reform Act
---Increased the budget for border security
---Signed Executive Order establishing the USA Freedom Corps
---Signed Terrorism Relief Act
---Signed Afghan Women and Children Relief Act
---Signed Military Construction Appropriations Bill
---Signed Tax Cut bill

---Attacked enemies and terrorist in aggressive offensive effort instead of burying his head in the sand and ignoring Muslim Terrorist attacking us like Bill Clinton did. Took the fight to them!
NO, FFF wanted GOD things he did. Padding his corporate buddies pocket books with legalized larceny is not a good thing. Neither is the evisceration of the Bill of Rights..............

GOD makes political laws??
 

TSR

Well-known member
Mike said:
The Corporate Corruption Bill = the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

"The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (Pub.L. 107-204, 116 Stat. 745, enacted 2002-07-30), also known as the Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of 2002 and commonly called SOx or Sarbox; is a United States federal law enacted on July 30, 2002 in response to a number of major corporate and accounting scandals including those affecting Enron, Tyco International, Adelphia, Peregrine Systems and WorldCom. These scandals, which cost investors billions of dollars when the share prices of the affected companies collapsed, shook public confidence in the nation's securities markets. Named after sponsors Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) and Representative Michael G. Oxley (R-OH), the Act was approved by the House by a vote of 423-3 and by the Senate 99-0. President George W. Bush signed it into law, stating it included "the most far-reaching reforms of American business practices since the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt."[1]

The legislation establishes new or enhanced standards for all U.S. public company boards, management, and public accounting firms. It does not apply to privately held companies. The Act contains 11 titles, or sections, ranging from additional Corporate Board responsibilities to criminal penalties, and requires the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to implement rulings on requirements to comply with the new law. Debate continues over the perceived benefits and costs of SOX. Supporters contend that the legislation was necessary and has played a useful role in restoring public confidence in the nation's capital markets by, among other things, strengthening corporate accounting controls.

The Act establishes a new quasi-public agency, the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, or PCAOB, which is charged with overseeing, regulating, inspecting, and disciplining accounting firms in their roles as auditors of public companies. The Act also covers issues such as auditor independence, corporate governance, internal control assessment, and enhanced financial disclosure."

Funny this bill was signed soon after Bush took office. The corporations were running rampant during the Clinton tenure...........
Mike I bet you still have that Bush/Cheney bumper sticker displayed don't you?
 

Mike

Well-known member
Mike I bet you still have that Bush/Cheney bumper sticker displayed don't you?

No. Never had one. But I sure am proud they defeated Gore...

No telling what kind of mess we'd be in now.

I don't particularly like the thought of my grandchildren speaking Arabic.
 

TSR

Well-known member
Mike said:
Mike I bet you still have that Bush/Cheney bumper sticker displayed don't you?

No. Never had one. But I sure am proud they defeated Gore...

No telling what kind of mess we'd be in now.

I don't particularly like the thought of my grandchildren speaking Arabic.

I know and Gore would have taken the guns too wouldn't he? Or was that Kerry? I have more faith in the American people than to let some other nation take us over and I know you do too. But you got to admit things ain't exactly hunky dory right now are they?
Ain't nothing like them grandkids is it :D :D
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
TSR said:
Mike said:
Mike I bet you still have that Bush/Cheney bumper sticker displayed don't you?

No. Never had one. But I sure am proud they defeated Gore...

No telling what kind of mess we'd be in now.

I don't particularly like the thought of my grandchildren speaking Arabic.

I know and Gore would have taken the guns too wouldn't he? Or was that Kerry? I have more faith in the American people than to let some other nation take us over and I know you do too. But you got to admit things ain't exactly hunky dory right now are they?
Ain't nothing like them grandkids is it :D :D

Just look at how much damage Gore has done with his Global Warming Hoax in civilian sector, who knows what he would have done if he was president, what far left Hollywood agenda he would have promoted.

And as VP he was part of the largest bury your head in the sand while the Terrorist attack us administration ever. Clinton had more Terrorist attacks against America on his watch than any other President and he did nothing. Who is to believe Gore would not have followed in his Mentors foot steps.
 

TSR

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Mike said:
No. Never had one. But I sure am proud they defeated Gore...

No telling what kind of mess we'd be in now.

I don't particularly like the thought of my grandchildren speaking Arabic.

I know and Gore would have taken the guns too wouldn't he? Or was that Kerry? I have more faith in the American people than to let some other nation take us over and I know you do too. But you got to admit things ain't exactly hunky dory right now are they?
Ain't nothing like them grandkids is it :D :D

Just look at how much damage Gore has done with his Global Warming Hoax in civilian sector, who knows what he would have done if he was president, what far left Hollywood agenda he would have promoted.

And as VP he was part of the largest bury your head in the sand while the Terrorist attack us administration ever. Clinton had more Terrorist attacks against America on his watch than any other President and he did nothing. Who is to believe Gore would not have followed in his Mentors foot steps.

I have asked you this before but haven't received your reply. Bush took office in January, the 911 attacks occured in Sept. lets see, thats 9 months of time to review strategies that you say were absent under Clinton, so what did he do? What was Bush's preventative measures for terrorist attacks in that 9 month period? Surely he had learned from Clinton's mistakes (according to your interpretation of Clinton's terrorist policies).
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
TSR said:
I have asked you this before but haven't received your reply. Bush took office in January, the 911 attacks occured in Sept. lets see, thats 9 months of time to review strategies that you say were absent under Clinton, so what did he do?

One of his efforts was to curb the porn industry that had flourished under Bill. After 911, resources were channeled into other directions. The porn industry boon occurred under Bill. The hotel/motel cuts with all the big industry players were involved. Read up on it.
 
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backhoeboogie said:
TSR said:
I have asked you this before but haven't received your reply. Bush took office in January, the 911 attacks occured in Sept. lets see, thats 9 months of time to review strategies that you say were absent under Clinton, so what did he do?

One of his efforts was to curb the porn industry that had flourished under Bill. After 911, resources were channeled into other directions. The porn industry boon occurred under Bill. The hotel/motel cuts with all the big industry players were involved. Read up on it.


Richard Clarke ( Clintons, and GW's chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council) . was sharply critical of the Bush Administration's attitude toward counter-terrorism before the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the decision to go to war with Iraq.

Among his highly critical statements regarding the Bush Administration, Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit". After initially denying that such meeting and request between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.
 

TSR

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
TSR said:
I have asked you this before but haven't received your reply. Bush took office in January, the 911 attacks occured in Sept. lets see, thats 9 months of time to review strategies that you say were absent under Clinton, so what did he do?

One of his efforts was to curb the porn industry that had flourished under Bill. After 911, resources were channeled into other directions. The porn industry boon occurred under Bill. The hotel/motel cuts with all the big industry players were involved. Read up on it.

BB I was asking specifically about his anti terrorist strategies during that 9 month period. Comprendhe??
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
TSR said:
backhoeboogie said:
TSR said:
I have asked you this before but haven't received your reply. Bush took office in January, the 911 attacks occured in Sept. lets see, thats 9 months of time to review strategies that you say were absent under Clinton, so what did he do?

One of his efforts was to curb the porn industry that had flourished under Bill. After 911, resources were channeled into other directions. The porn industry boon occurred under Bill. The hotel/motel cuts with all the big industry players were involved. Read up on it.

BB I was asking specifically about his anti terrorist strategies during that 9 month period. Comprendhe??

Noted. Now I comprehend and I had missed that part of it TSR. Sorry.

Dubya had actually started a few of the agencies on such binges before the 911 attacks. Perhaps his focus was indeed wasted on some of the domestic whims he was undertaking. Most of those whims wound up sidelined.
 
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