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Creekstone Warns that Japs Want Tested Beef

Mike

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Creekstone Farms Praises Reported Progress in Re-opening of Japanese Market to US Beef, Warns that Japanese Consumers Want BSE Tested Beef

5/25/2006 11:30:00 AM

To: International Desk

Contact: Ed Rothschild of PodestaMattoon, 202-393-1010 or Christine Tanner of Creekstone Farms, 620-741-3357

ARKANSAS CITY, Kan., May 25 /U.S. Newswire/ -– Although expressing some concerns, Creekstone Farms Premium Beef today welcomed recent reports that the Japanese Government and the U.S. Government are moving closer to reaching an agreement on the conditions to reopen the Japanese market to U.S. beef.

"While we are confident and pleased that Japan will reopen its market to US beef, we are concerned that it will be a lengthy and expensive process before US beef processors regain their market share lost when Japan halted imports in 2003," said John Stewart, CEO and founder of Creekstone Farms.

"While we continue to believe that U.S. beef is safe, current opinion polls in Japan tell us that the Japanese consumer prefers the additional layer of confidence offered by testing every animal processed for that market," Stewart continued.

"It is our hope that the US Department of Agriculture will recognize the overwhelming public support and importance of allowing companies like Creekstone Farms to voluntarily test all of our production because of these customer demands," added Stewart. "This testing will be done at our own expense and passed on to the consumer," Stewart said.

Stewart also noted Australian beef producers now have an 85 percent market share (compared to 20 percent before Japan closed to the U.S.) and are not going to give it up without a fight. They are setting up feedlots to provide grain-fed beef. They will spend tens of millions of dollars to preserve their market share. Providing Japanese consumers with 100 percent BSE tested beef is an important component of regaining consumer confidence in Japan and improving America's trade with Japan.

Creekstone Farms(r) Premium Beef, LLC was founded more than a decade ago with the goal of providing superior quality food products to satisfy the most discerning consumers. Today, the Creekstone Farms Premium Black Angus Beef program is one of a few branded programs certified by the USDA's Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS). Creekstone supplies many of the nation's top grocers and restaurants with quality Black Angus Beef products, ranging from high quality Prime grade beef to premium value added consumer Heat & Serve entrees. Additionally, the company markets the country's leading brand of Natural Beef with no added hormones or antibiotics. The company exports its premium quality products to Europe, Latin America and Asia. Creekstone is co-owned by Sun Capital Partners, one of America's largest private investment companies and John Stewart, CEO and Founder of the company.

Sun Capital Partners, Inc. is a leading private investment firm focused on leveraged buyouts, equity, debt, and other investments in market-leading companies that can benefit from its in-house operating professionals and experience. Sun Capital affiliates have invested in and managed more than 110 companies worldwide with combined sales in excess of $27.0 billion since Sun Capital's inception in 1995. Sun Capital has offices in Boca Raton, Los Angeles, New York, London, and Shenzhen.

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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Anonymous

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Still trying to sell the "ILLUSION" of safety with bse tests that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age while the Japanese govenrment is working on age verification. LOL!

And the beat goes on.........and the beat goes on..........



~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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"....the Japanese consumer prefers the additional layer of confidence offered by testing every animal ...."

Trying to sell an illusion? The statement was about what the Japanese consumer wants. Creekstone just wants to sell beef whichever way their customers want it. It's a concept of business 101.

The only "ILLUSION" here is you thinking the Japanese consumers don't know about BSE and thinking you know what is best for them. :roll:

Yep, the beat goes on.... in your head...... complete with echos.
 
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Anonymous

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Meanwhile the Japanese government is moving towards "source verification" and away from testing BUT HEY, LITTLE SANDCHESKA THINKS HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT WHAT THE JAPANESE WANT THAN THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES.

and the beat goes on......and the beat goes on............


~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Still trying to sell the "ILLUSION" of safety with bse tests that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age while the Japanese govenrment is working on age verification. LOL!

And the beat goes on.........and the beat goes on..........



~SH~

So, on one hand you argue that the USDA is correct in going with an age verified program for the Japanese(which ostensibly means that cattle under a certain age do not have bse) and on the other hand you argue that Creekstone is the one trying to sell the "illusion" of safety.

Is this the kind of reasoning that makes you successful in SD?
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "So, on one hand you argue that the USDA is correct in going with an age verified program for the Japanese(which ostensibly means that cattle under a certain age do not have bse) and on the other hand you argue that Creekstone is the one trying to sell the "illusion" of safety."

I suppose you can provide the proof that beef from cattle under 24 months of age WITH SRMS REMOVED are a public health risk huh?

GEE, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE LOADS OF DATA YOU HAVE TO BACK THAT CLAIM...........ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Same-O, Same-O from the "LYING KING".


~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Conman: "So, on one hand you argue that the USDA is correct in going with an age verified program for the Japanese(which ostensibly means that cattle under a certain age do not have bse) and on the other hand you argue that Creekstone is the one trying to sell the "illusion" of safety."

I suppose you can provide the proof that beef from cattle under 24 months of age WITH SRMS REMOVED are a public health risk huh?

GEE, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE LOADS OF DATA YOU HAVE TO BACK THAT CLAIM...........ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Same-O, Same-O from the "LYING KING".


~SH~

Why do you oppose a company that is trying to make sure that doesn't happen with the use of more information?

I would like for you to prove that cattle under 24 months of age with srms removed are not a public health risk because of bse. Stop relying on lack of evidence and do some real science to get the answer.

Why don't you prove it to the Japanese? Creekstone wanted to but was refused by the packer lead NCBA/USDA.
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "Why do you oppose a company that is trying to make sure that doesn't happen with the use of more information?"

Creekstone is trying to capitalize on the fears of a handful of Japanese consumers by selling them "THE ILLUSION OF SAFETY" which science does not support.

Naturally you would support deception because you are the "LYING KING".


Conman: "I would like for you to prove that cattle under 24 months of age with srms removed are not a public health risk because of bse."

You can't prove that something doesn't exist if it doesn't exist you moron.


Conman: "Why don't you prove it to the Japanese?"

Don't have to. They've already accepted untested beef.


Conman: "Creekstone wanted to but was refused by the packer lead NCBA/USDA."

Creekstone wanted to sell an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" and packer blamers like you that are too conspiracy minded to accept that fact so you drum up some wild conspiracy theory to explain it.



~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Conman: "Why do you oppose a company that is trying to make sure that doesn't happen with the use of more information?"

Creekstone is trying to capitalize on the fears of a handful of Japanese consumers by selling them "THE ILLUSION OF SAFETY" which science does not support.

Naturally you would support deception because you are the "LYING KING".


Conman: "I would like for you to prove that cattle under 24 months of age with srms removed are not a public health risk because of bse."

You can't prove that something doesn't exist if it doesn't exist you moron.


Conman: "Why don't you prove it to the Japanese?"

Don't have to. They've already accepted untested beef.


Conman: "Creekstone wanted to but was refused by the packer lead NCBA/USDA."

Creekstone wanted to sell an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" and packer blamers like you that are too conspiracy minded to accept that fact so you drum up some wild conspiracy theory to explain it.



~SH~

Sales is always an illusion of something. The customer is where the money comes from, as you say, so they should be able to purchase the "illusion" they want.

And yes, you can prove something doesn't exist. You may not be intelligent enough to do it, but that is your inadequacy, not mine.
 

fedup2

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In my local town, there is a combination KFC \ A&W in the same building, same order taker, same menu including both products. There is a large sign on the window from A&W stating something to the effect: “We use only USA beef! Our beef is guaranteed safe and we use additional tests for safety over and above the USDA required tests.”

Now, are they creating an Illusion of safety? Is there anything wrong with advertising like this? Do you believe that if someone tests over and above the USDA requirements, they are creating an illusion? Should they be forced to quit? Does this imply beef from McD’s and burger king is unsafe? Bull$hit! It doesn’t imply anything other then these people are proud of their product.

If our beef is safe, then people should be able to test it for whatever they want to test it for! Does this imply that A&W believes their consumers are to stupid to realize they are buying an illusion. I believe the only illusion here is being created by the people crying illusion! I believe it is a total Bull$hit argument! I would also be willing to bet that the consumers here and Japan are a hell of a lot smarter then the people crying ‘Illusion’ & trying to save them from themselves!

Why would any cattlemens group or anyone else for that matter want to halt our own exports by using the ’illusion’ of ’the illusion of safety’ as a reason? Its total bull$hit & the dumbest @ss argument I have ever heard!
 

Sandhusker

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fedup2 said:
In my local town, there is a combination KFC \ A&W in the same building, same order taker, same menu including both products. There is a large sign on the window from A&W stating something to the effect: “We use only USA beef! Our beef is guaranteed safe and we use additional tests for safety over and above the USDA required tests.”

Now, are they creating an Illusion of safety? Is there anything wrong with advertising like this? Do you believe that if someone tests over and above the USDA requirements, they are creating an illusion? Should they be forced to quit? Does this imply beef from McD’s and burger king is unsafe? Bull$hit! It doesn’t imply anything other then these people are proud of their product.

If our beef is safe, then people should be able to test it for whatever they want to test it for! Does this imply that A&W believes their consumers are to stupid to realize they are buying an illusion. I believe the only illusion here is being created by the people crying illusion! I believe it is a total Bull$hit argument! I would also be willing to bet that the consumers here and Japan are a hell of a lot smarter then the people crying ‘Illusion’ & trying to save them from themselves!

Why would any cattlemens group or anyone else for that matter want to halt our own exports by using the ’illusion’ of ’the illusion of safety’ as a reason? Its total bull$hit & the dumbest @ss argument I have ever heard!

:clap: :clap:
 
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Anonymous

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Fedup: "In my local town, there is a combination KFC \ A&W in the same building, same order taker, same menu including both products. There is a large sign on the window from A&W stating something to the effect: “We use only USA beef! Our beef is guaranteed safe and we use additional tests for safety over and above the USDA required tests.”"

Fedup: "Now, are they creating an Illusion of safety?"

Not if they are conducting additional LEGIMATE tests for safety over and above the USDA required tests?

How the hell do you compare that to bse testing cattle that are younger than 24 months of age with tests that will not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age?

Apples to watermelons bucko!


Fedup: "Is there anything wrong with advertising like this?"

Not if you can back your claims.


Fedup: "Do you believe that if someone tests over and above the USDA requirements, they are creating an illusion?"

That depends on the legitimacy of the test. If they are testing for ecoli with a test that will not reveal ecoli, then yes, they are creating an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY". If they are testing for ecoli with more sensitive tests than USDA requires, then they are not selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

Hardly comparable to bse testing cattle under 24 months of age with tests that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.


Fedup: "Should they be forced to quit?"

Not if they can back their claims and their tests are legitimate.


Fedup: "Does this imply beef from McD’s and burger king is unsafe?"

No! It implies that A&W is more safe if their tests are legitimate.


Fedup: "It doesn’t imply anything other then these people are proud of their product."

It implies that these people have taken extra LEGITIMATE measures to assure the safety of their product if these extra measures are truly legitimate. In Creekstone's case, it wasn't because the bse tests they planned to use would not reveal bse prions in 12 and 14 month old cattle.

Why do you think the Japanese government is moving towards source verification as opposed to listening to Sandhusker's demands that we ship them bse tested beef? They figured it out, too bad you USDA blamers can't.


Fedup: "If our beef is safe, then people should be able to test it for whatever they want to test it for!"

I agree IF THOSE TESTS ARE LEGITIMATE TESTS. What should not be allowed is creating an illusion of safety by conducting tests that are not legitimate tests.


Fedup: "Does this imply that A&W believes their consumers are to stupid to realize they are buying an illusion."

Assuming that A&W's tests are ecoli tests and are legtimate tests, they wouldn't be buying an illusion.


Fedup: "I believe the only illusion here is being created by the people crying illusion!"

That's because you don't know any better.


Fedup: "I believe it is a total Bull$hit argument!"

That doesn't suprise me. Lots of people put money ahead of integrity. You'd probably sell lightning rods too.


Fedup: "I would also be willing to bet that the consumers here and Japan are a hell of a lot smarter then the people crying ‘Illusion’ & trying to save them from themselves!"

I agree. When most consumers found out that the bse tests that have been approved would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age, they would no longer be requesting those tests as Japan has proven.


Fedup: "Why would any cattlemens group or anyone else for that matter want to halt our own exports by using the ’illusion’ of ’the illusion of safety’ as a reason?"

Why would anyone insist on bse testing AND ABSORB THE COSTS OF THAT TESTING with tests that would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age when Japan has already showed that they are willing to accept beef from the US and Canada without testing if we can verify the age?

How stupid can anyone be to insist on absorbing the costs of UNNECESSARY BSE TESTING when Japan is already accepting non bse tested beef?

Where is your proof that exports to Japan are being halted due to our unwilllingness to bse test cattle under 24 months of age with tests that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age? Did you read that in an R-CULT publication?

Funny how our exports are being halted due to our unwillingness to bse test when Japan has already accepted non bse tested beef from the US and is currently focused on age verification.

Some marketing wizard you are but hey, you have to bitch about something right?


Fedup: "Its total bull$hit & the dumbest @ss argument I have ever heard!"

What's total bullsh*t is duping consumers into believing "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE" with a test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age WHEN JAPAN HAS ALREADY MOVED TOWARDS SOURCE VERIFICATION AND AWAY FROM TESTING.

It's total bullsh*t and the dumbest @ss business move I have ever seen to be insisting on bse testing cattle under 24 months of age with tests that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age WHEN JAPAN IS ALREAY ACCEPTING NON BSE TESTED BEEF.

Talk about stupidity!


There, share that with your blamer's support group. LOL!


~SH~
 

fedup2

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I’ll give you credit for one thing sh, you can talk more and say less than anyone on this forum! Spin & divert and still not say $hit!

[“Why would anyone insist on bse testing AND ABSORB THE COSTS OF THAT TESTING blah blah blah!”]
Who the hell are you to tell anyone how to run their business!

If a company wants to test & their consumers will pay for that test, what the hell business is it of yours what they do!
Your silly @ss little catch-all phrase ‘illusion of safety’ is just that! An illusion! Why should cattlemen lose millions $ of lost exports, because of your illusions! After the USDA forced untested beef down their throats, they found the first excuse they could find to shut it down. Your ‘they accepted untested beef’ is another little illusion. They played the usda’s silly @ss little game & shut it down as fast as they could. How much untested beef did they accept?

You got nothing sh! A half of a page of blah blah and once again you didn’t say $hit!
 

Sandhusker

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Now that you've added another requirement, tell us, SH, what makes the "organic" health claims legitimate? Do you feel organic beef is healthier than non-organic?
 

Tam

Well-known member
fedup2 said:
In my local town, there is a combination KFC \ A&W in the same building, same order taker, same menu including both products. There is a large sign on the window from A&W stating something to the effect: “We use only USA beef! Our beef is guaranteed safe and we use additional tests for safety over and above the USDA required tests.”
Now, are they creating an Illusion of safety? Is there anything wrong with advertising like this? Do you believe that if someone tests over and above the USDA requirements, they are creating an illusion? Should they be forced to quit? Does this imply beef from McD’s and burger king is unsafe? Bull$hit! It doesn’t imply anything other then these people are proud of their product.

If our beef is safe, then people should be able to test it for whatever they want to test it for! Does this imply that A&W believes their consumers are to stupid to realize they are buying an illusion. I believe the only illusion here is being created by the people crying illusion! I believe it is a total Bull$hit argument! I would also be willing to bet that the consumers here and Japan are a hell of a lot smarter then the people crying ‘Illusion’ & trying to save them from themselves!

Why would any cattlemens group or anyone else for that matter want to halt our own exports by using the ’illusion’ of ’the illusion of safety’ as a reason? Its total bull$hit & the dumbest @ss argument I have ever heard!


This thread was started with this from Creekstone
It is our hope that the US Department of Agriculture will recognize the overwhelming public support and importance of allowing companies like Creekstone Farms to voluntarily test all of our production because of these customer demands,
Now Fedup2 post this
In my local town, there is a combination KFC \ A&W in the same building, same order taker, same menu including both products. There is a large sign on the window from A&W stating something to the effect: “We use only USA beef! Our beef is guaranteed safe and we use additional tests for safety over and above the USDA required tests.” Now, are they creating an Illusion of safety?


Now think about this, in light of the fact that Creekstone can't voluntarily BSE test for their consumers what is the likelyhood that the extra testing A&W is do is BSE testing? :shock: So the answer to your question is YES A&W are creating an illusion if their consumers are led to believe the extra testing they do is for BSE!!!!

Fedup2:Is there anything wrong with advertising like this?
Yes if you lead the consumer to believe one thing and that is not true which is the testing you are doing is for BSE.

Fedup2: Do you believe that if someone tests over and above the USDA requirements, they are creating an illusion?
Yes they are if they are allowing their consumers to believe that the extra testing they claim to be doing is for BSE and not for something else.

Fedup2: Should they be forced to quit?
They should be made to clarify what the extra tests are for and if they are not for BSE the consumers should have the right to know that.

I find it funny that most of you that back M'COOL do so because you hate the illusion that all beef sold in the US is US beef because there is not a label telling the consumer. And your arguments are that the consumer has a right to know where their beef comes from, at least what country :wink: But it doesn't seem to bother you that Creekstone is trying to sell the Japanese consumers an ILLUSION OF FOOD SAFETY. Creekstone admits the testing they would be doing is not a food safety issue as the testing they plan to do will be done on cattle that are to young to detect it in. BUT as long as it sells beef who cares what percedent their actions will set for the next time a country wants to demand something unjust. :roll:
 

fedup2

Well-known member
I don't know why I'm bothering Tam, but where in the hell did I say anything about A & W testing for BSE???
You will never change and that is why usually never read your posts. I have seen you tell some of the biggest 'untruths' I have seen on this forum!

I am sorry because this is the end of this discussion with you. You cannot read, you cannot comprehend what you hear, and you make $hit up as you go, just to talk to yourself. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

flounder

Well-known member
SH rambles that;


> "I would like for you to prove that cattle under 24 months of age with srms removed are not a public

> health risk because of bse."


> How the hell do you compare that to bse testing cattle that are younger than 24 months of age with

> tests that will not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age?


> You can't prove that something doesn't exist if it doesn't exist you moron. ...


sh, you should go stand in front of a mirror, you will see the real moron :lol: :lol: :clap:

the only 'illusion' is the 30 month rule and sh's 'illusion' that a cow 23 months and 30 days is safe, and 30 month and a day is not. there is the real illusion. data now shows the TSE agent in tissues other than CNS, and as the testing become more sensitive, you will find it elsewhere. another problem is the srms themselves are still not being removed in 2006. the biggest illusion of all was the 'june 2004 enhanced bse surveillance program of the USA', that was nothing more than another cover up by this administration, another one that was proven, this by the OIG, time and time again, thanks to the Honorable Phyllis Fong.


Texas, home where we render suspect stumbling and staggering mad cows without any test at all, and or let other suspect mad cow tissue samples sit up on a shelf for 7+ months and take an act of congress to finally confirm as positive, via Weybridge finally, Texas home of the Triple SSS policy. ...TSS



Risk assessment concerning "the comparability between risks of consuming beef and internal organs regulated by the beef export verification program of the United States/Canada and risks of consuming beef and internal organs of Japanese cattle"￾iTentative translation￾j[PDF￾F510KB] (March 28,2006 updated)


http://www.fsc.go.jp/sonota/bse-risk-assessment-concerning.pdf





Comments by Japan on the propos ed amendment on the BSE Code in December 23,

2003

1 Article 2.3.13.1

Comment



snip...



In Japan, however, accumulations of PrP SC within the brainstem of naturally

affected cows of 21 month of age and 23 month of age have been observed. The

National Institute of Animal Health , which is designated as a reference laboratory

of the OIE, is now conducting the bioassay. The current lower limit of the age

should be maintained at 6 month at least until this bioassay is concluded.



http://www.maff.go.jp/soshiki/seisan/eisei/bse/oie_e.pdf



Measures against Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) in Japan

(Interim report)

September 2004

Food Safety Commission

Contents



snip...





Among these, the 8th case of BSE-cattle (23-month old) was diagnosed as

negative by immunohistochemical and histopathological diagnosis, however,

a positive reading was obtained by Western Blotting (hereinafter called “WB

method”). Considering the low resistance to proteinase and the different

pattern of electrophoresis from those observed in abnormal prion protein by

the WB method, this case was diagnosed as being “atypical BSE” by “The

Prion Expert Committee for testing bovine spongiform encephalopathy

(BSE)” held by the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare.

In addition, the 9th case of BSE-cattle (21-month old) was diagnosed as

negative by immunohistochemical and histopathological diagnosis, but as

positive by the WB method as with the 8th case and showed the same

characteristics of those observed in up to the 7th case of BSE-cattle by the

WB method.

With respect to the 8th and 9th cases from the result of the WB method, in

comparison with the other 9 cases, the amount of abnormal prion protein

accumulated in the medulla oblongata is small, which is estimated at

1/500th to 1/1,000th less than those in the other cases1). In order to

characterize the BSE prions of these 2 cases, brain homogenates were

inoculated into bovine transgenic mice, and experiments are now being

continued to determine the amplification of the BSE prions, whose results

are expected to reveal the transmissibility of the 2 cases.



http://www.fsc.go.jp/sonota/measure_bse_injapan.pdf



Though the clinical onset of BSE is usually at around 5 years of age or later, a 20-month-old case showing the clinical signs has been reported(4). Variant forms of BSE similar to our cases, i.e., atypical histopathological and/or biochemical phenotype, have been recently reported in Italy(5) and in France(6). Such variant BSE was not associated with mutations in the prion protein (PrP) coding region as in our case (5,6). ...



full text ;



http://www.nih.go.jp/JJID/56/221.pdf





Identification of a second bovine amyloidotic spongiform encephalopathy: Molecular similarities with sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease

Cristina Casalone *, Gianluigi Zanusso , Pierluigi Acutis *, Sergio Ferrari , Lorenzo Capucci , Fabrizio Tagliavini ¶, Salvatore Monaco ||, and Maria Caramelli *

*Centro di Referenza Nazionale per le Encefalopatie Animali, Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale del Piemonte, Liguria e Valle d'Aosta, Via Bologna, 148, 10195 Turin, Italy; Department of Neurological and Visual Science, Section of Clinical Neurology, Policlinico G.B. Rossi, Piazzale L.A. Scuro, 10, 37134 Verona, Italy; Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale della Lombardia ed Emilia Romagna, Via Bianchi, 9, 25124 Brescia, Italy; and ¶Istituto Nazionale Neurologico "Carlo Besta," Via Celoria 11, 20133 Milan, Italy



Edited by Stanley B. Prusiner, University of California, San Francisco, CA, and approved December 23, 2003 (received for review September 9, 2003)

Transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs), or prion diseases, are mammalian neurodegenerative disorders characterized by a posttranslational conversion and brain accumulation of an insoluble, protease-resistant isoform (PrPSc) of the host-encoded cellular prion protein (PrPC). Human and animal TSE agents exist as different phenotypes that can be biochemically differentiated on the basis of the molecular mass of the protease-resistant PrPSc fragments and the degree of glycosylation. Epidemiological, molecular, and transmission studies strongly suggest that the single strain of agent responsible for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) has infected humans, causing variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. The unprecedented biological properties of the BSE agent, which circumvents the so-called "species barrier" between cattle and humans and adapts to different mammalian species, has raised considerable concern for human health. To date, it is unknown whether more than one strain might be responsible for cattle TSE or whether the BSE agent undergoes phenotypic variation after natural transmission. Here we provide evidence of a second cattle TSE. The disorder was pathologically characterized by the presence of PrP-immunopositive amyloid plaques, as opposed to the lack of amyloid deposition in typical BSE cases, and by a different pattern of regional distribution and topology of brain PrPSc accumulation. In addition, Western blot analysis showed a PrPSc type with predominance of the low molecular mass glycoform and a protease-resistant fragment of lower molecular mass than BSE-PrPSc. Strikingly, the molecular signature of this previously undescribed bovine PrPSc was similar to that encountered in a distinct subtype of sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C.C. and G.Z. contributed equally to this work.

||To whom correspondence should be addressed.

E-mail: [email protected]

www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.0305777101



http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0305777101v1



see increase of sporadic CJD over the years ;


http://www.eurocjd.ed.ac.uk/sporadic.htm


USA


notice steady increase, but also notice in 2005, # 7 the 38 pendings cases through Oct. and #8 includes 53 type pending, 1 type unknown.

if you look at 2003 there were 3 type unknown.

wonder if they were the same or different than the unknown in 2005?

considering the soup that has been brewing over here in the USA for years via the rendering of BSE and atypical TSE in cattle, CWD, Scrapie, a few TME cases (not too much due to scent gland, but there were a few rendered, but all this, and you have one hell of a recipe for a new strains of TSE in humans. then who knows what 'friendly fire' cases would look like from this soup via secondary transmission via medical/surgical/dental arena. ...TSS


National Prion Disease Pathology Surveillance Center case exams...


http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/resources-casereport.html


Full Text
Diagnosis and Reporting of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease
Singeltary, Sr et al.
JAMA.2001; 285: 733-734


http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/285/6/733?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=dignosing+and+reporting+creutzfeldt+jakob+disease&searchid=1048865596978_1528&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=jama



TSS
 

Tam

Well-known member
fedup2 said:
I don't know why I'm bothering Tam, but where in the hell did I say anything about A & W testing for BSE???
You will never change and that is why usually never read your posts. I have seen you tell some of the biggest 'untruths' I have seen on this forum!

I am sorry because this is the end of this discussion with you. You cannot read, you cannot comprehend what you hear, and you make $hit up as you go, just to talk to yourself. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thank you for making my point about the A&W testing Fedup2. You brought up the A&W testing in a discussion about BSE testing for Japan and by not clarifing what kind of testing it is, you created a prefect example of creating an illusion. :lol:
If when all consumers hear in the media is R-CALF spouting that imported beef is a human health risk and those same consumer see a sign guaranteeing the safety of the meat that A&W sells. What do you think those consumers are going to think the extra testing A&W is doing is for? I happen to know that it is not for BSE as Creekstone can't voluntarily test so neither can A&W but just how many average consumers will know the testing they are doing is NOT FOR BSE? Thanks again for creating the illusion that A&W was guaranteeing their beef is safe from from something that they are not testing for. :wink:
 

Tam

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Fedup2:I would also be willing to bet that the consumers here and Japan are a hell of a lot smarter then the people crying ‘Illusion’ & trying to save them from themselves!

Just a thought here Fedup2 if you are willing to bet on the smarts of the US consumer do you support the M'COOL bill? as the argument to sell that is to save the US consumers from themselves and the ILLUSION that all beef sold in the US is US beef because it has a USDA INSPECTED LABEL. Funny how some illusions are fine (ie BSE testing) but others need to be clarified (ie labeling US beef). :wink:
 

fedup2

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Once again, please don’t include me in your silly @ss little games. You have made no point! You are like sh, a legend in your own mind.

Let me give you a little example of your style of posting. The same twisting, deceiving, bs conversations that you have with yourself and then declare yourself a winner!

You write:[I find it funny that most of you that back M'COOL do so because you hate the illusion that all beef sold in the US is US beef because there is not a label telling the consumer]

Does this mean that you are ashamed of your beef? Why do you feel that your beef is so inferior, that labeling it would shut down your market for it? Have you tried new genetics, feed, minerals? It is to bad that you feel your beef is so poor that it wouldn’t stand a chance if labeled product of Canada. I have always felt that we raised the best beef in the world. Thank you for making my point and admitting that your beef is inferior.

Do you see how easy it is to play your little game Tam? Any mental midget can do it, and most mental midgets do it!

For the rest of you Canadians, if you haven’t figured it out, this was only an example of how to Tam or SH up a post. Please don’t take it personal. You don’t need to know a damn thing except to blame, deceive, twist, spin, & label. Take every conversation and twist it to R-Calf. That way you don’t have to deal with any issues. Again, I am retired and do not now nor have I ever belonged to R-calf. (but there are posters on this site that have me thinking about joining!) :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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