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Creutzfeldt-Jakob deaths may be linked to mad cow CANADA

flounder

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Creutzfeldt-Jakob deaths may be linked to mad cow

Jan Ravensbergen, Canwest News Service
Published: Friday, March 14, 2008

Federal medical authorities will determine only "in coming months" whether two recent deaths in the Saguenay region attributed to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease can be pinned to the rare variant linked with mad-cow disease, a geneticist with the Canadian Public Health Agency said Thursday.

A man in his 60s, died around Christmas, and a woman in her 50s died Feb. 11.

Brain-autopsy results aren't likely to be available for either victim before May or June, said Michael Coulthart, director of the health agency's division of host genetics and prion diseases.

Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, known as CJD, has killed a total of 359 Canadians since 1994.

One of those deaths, in 2002, was from the mad-cow variant, known as vCJD, the public health agency says. That victim was a Canadian resident who had lived in the United Kingdom for several years.

There has never been any death from mad-cow disease among lifetime residents of Canada.

Mad cow is a progressive, fatal disease of the nervous system of cattle. It is believed to be transmissible to humans who eat infected beef products.

No definitive diagnosis of any form of CJD can be made except by examination of human brain tissue following death, said Coulthart, so he can't definitively rule out mad cow in the two Saguenay deaths until those autopsy results become available.

Coulthart wouldn't confirm any details of the two Saguenay cases, which had been reported by local media.

Worldwide, 202 human mad-cow deaths had been registered as of April 3, according to the health agency's website.

"If the disease comes from exposure to infected beef products prior to the ban on specified offal in human food in 1989, as is now widely accepted, then there could be more cases if the incubation period is very long," the agency said.

"However, it is currently impossible to predict how many more cases of vCJD there will be," the website added.

Officials at the hospital in Chicoutimi would not answer questions on the two deaths until this morning, said a hospital official responsible for communications.

Montreal Gazette

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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=375557

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=ee621587-f0db-4d61-9a15-e61a9954b4b6&k=70901


2000 - 2001

The most frightening thing I have read all day is the report of Gambetti's
finding of a new strain of sporadic cjd in young people......... Dear God,
what in the name of all that is holy is that!!! If the US has different
strains of scrapie.....why???? than the UK... then would the same mechanisms
that make different strains of scrapie here make different strains of BSE...
if the patterns are different in sheep and mice for scrapie..... could not
the BSE be different in the cattle, in the mink, in the humans....... I
really think the slides or tissues and everything from these young people
with the new strain of sporadic cjd should be put up to be analyzed by many,
many experts in cjd........ bse..... scrapie Scrape the damn slide and put
it into mice..... wait..... chop up the mouse brain and and spinal
cord........ put into some more mice..... dammit amplify the thing and start
the damned research..... This is NOT rocket science... we need to use what
we know and get off our butts and move.... the whining about how long
everything takes..... well it takes a whole lot longer if you whine for a
year and then start the research!!! Not sure where I read this but it was a
recent press release or something like that: I thought I would fall out of
my chair when I read about how there was no worry about infectivity from a
histopath slide or tissues because they are preserved in formic acid, or
formalin or formaldehyde..... for God's sake........ Ask any pathologist in
the UK what the brain tissues in the formalin looks like after a year.......
it is a big fat sponge... the agent continues to eat the brain ...... you
can't make slides anymore because the agent has never stopped........ and
the old slides that are stained with Hemolysin and Eosin...... they get
holier and holier and degenerate and continue... what you looked at 6 months
ago is not there........ Gambetti better be photographing every damned thing
he is looking at.....

Okay, you need to know. You don't need to pass it on as nothing will come of
it and there is not a damned thing anyone can do about it. Don't even hint
at it as it will be denied and laughed at.......... USDA is gonna do as
little as possible until there is actually a human case in the USA of the
nvcjd........ if you want to move this thing along and shake the earth....
then we gotta get the victims families to make sure whoever is doing the
autopsy is credible, trustworthy, and a saint with the courage of Joan of
Arc........ I am not kidding!!!! so, unless we get a human death from
EXACTLY the same form with EXACTLY the same histopath lesions as seen in the
UK nvcjd........ forget any action........ it is ALL gonna be sporadic!!!

And, if there is a case....... there is gonna be every effort to link it to
international travel, international food, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. They will
go so far as to find out if a sex partner had ever traveled to the
UK/europe, etc. etc. .... It is gonna be a long, lonely, dangerous twisted
journey to the truth. They have all the cards, all the money, and are
willing to threaten and carry out those threats.... and this may be their
biggest downfall...

Thanks as always for your help. (Recently had a very startling revelation
from a rather senior person in government here.......... knocked me out of
my chair........ you must keep pushing. If I was a power person.... I would
be demanding that there be a least a million bovine tested as soon as
possible and agressively seeking this disease. The big players are coming
out of the woodwork as there is money to be made!!! In short: "FIRE AT
WILL"!!! for the very dumb.... who's "will"! " Will be the burden to bare if
there is any coverup!"

again it was said years ago and it should be taken seriously.... BSE will
NEVER be found in theUS! As for the BSE conference call... I think you did
agreat service to freedom of information and making some people feign
integrity... I find it scary to see that most of the "experts" are employed
by the federal government or are supported on the "teat" of federal funds. A
scary picture! I hope there is a confidential panel organized by the new
government to really investigate this thing.

You need to watch your back........ but keep picking at them....... like a
buzzard to the bone... you just may get to the truth!!! (You probably have
more support than you know. Too many people are afraid to show you or let
anyone else know. I have heard a few things myself... you ask the questions
that everyone else is too afraid to ask.)

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http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/2008/02/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease-delaware.html


TSS
 

don

Well-known member
so if the tests come back negative i hope you'll start a new thread to announce that, too. don't you think you're a bit premature in this or are you going to enumerate all the other ways these people may have developed this condition? this story is really all fluff. it's not even conjecture, it's information that tests will be done, that's all.
 

flounder

Well-known member
don said:
so if the tests come back negative i hope you'll start a new thread to announce that, too. don't you think you're a bit premature in this or are you going to enumerate all the other ways these people may have developed this condition? this story is really all fluff. it's not even conjecture, it's information that tests will be done, that's all.


i did ya'll one better don and question. i thought the article was a bit shadey. so, i went to the director of the health agency's division of host genetics and prion diseases and ask him.


there is NO suspect nvCJD in Canada, it was media hype.

this is what mike said ;


quote ;


''I was frankly dumbfounded when I saw the title of Jan Ravensbergen's
article. This, after I had stressed to him repeatedly in my interview on
Thursday that (i) the diagnoses (even CJD vs. not CJD) are not yet
confirmed; and (ii) there was no substantive reason to suspect vCJD or
indeed any causative linkage.'' ...snip...end...tss



kind regards,
terry
 

don

Well-known member
thanks terry. i was surprised when you posted that because you usually have more substance even though i don't agree with some of your assumptions.
 
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