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Critique this horse.

HAY MAKER

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Quarter horse/Apaloosa,cross bred,4 years old 14.2hh about 900 lbs,green broke,Im thinking he is kinda small ?....................good luck
 

Jassy

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I'm no horse expert, but I like him,,,as long as he looks healthy, he'll probably be a good horse for someone... :wink:
 

Chickshunt2

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I'm not very good at this but I'll give it a shot. And stock breeds are way from my normal breeds of horses. But here goes.
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I have added the lines "my eyes" see in this horse. This is what I have learned from what I see about this horse. In this picture the horses head is turned toward us making it difficult to see exactly how thick the horse is at the throat latch but it looks to be a bit thick, good length of neck that is set on nicely not to low not to high, the shoulder angle shows a nice long shoulder as well as having a humerus that is well past 50% of the shoulder length giving this horse reach but also limiting the amount of scope due to the laid back shoulder. The angle of the humerus also shows being steeper, giving this horse the ability to also have some height in action of the front legs as well. This horse up front looks to have all the elements of a nice mover with a moderate reach and nice lift, this horse tends to have a shorter back with the croup laying lower than the wither, the lumbo sacral junction is almost over the point of hip. It's hard to tell with how the horse is standing where it's back legs truly stand and I also had to guess as to where the point of it's hock was as the pic is to dark to find it. I think that if he was standing squared his hock would fall either right on the blue line running behind him or right in front of it. Either way his hind end looks good to me. He has long forearms that look to go into a good knee that goes to a shorter cannon bone that goes to a nicely sloped pastern. ( I wish I could see his hoof angles better) With the longer forearm he should have good reach of stride, the shorter cannon bones offer solid strong legs, the pastern angle offers nice shock absorbers. The only thing I would like to see on him would be a bit heavier bone on his legs...but I've gotten so used to Draft crosses that anything without tree trunks for legs looks thin to me ...lol.. Other than that all I can say is that if I was looking at him I would bring him home, I love his color and he has a wonderfully nice eye, if he shows promise I would give him a shot.
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HAY MAKER

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Thanks Ladies for the comments,I was thinking he was thin legged too,but he is only 4,thought maybe he would bulk out some yet ?
good luck.

PS very good graphic display Chickshunt2.
 

Faster horses

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While there are some good things about him, he is not a horse I would buy. Too flat muscled, too fine boned and just not enough horse there.
FWIW

BTW, Haymaker, does he have a decent wither? I can't tell from
the photos.
 

Silver

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I would have to agree with FH, although Appy's can be smaller and flatter muscled and still be tough as nails and strong as all get out.

Of course, horses can be too big too. Like this horse of mine for example:
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HAY MAKER

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Faster horses said:
While there are some good things about him, he is not a horse I would buy. Too flat muscled, too fine boned and just not enough horse there.
FWIW

BTW, Haymaker, does he have a decent wither? I can't tell from
the photos.

I dont think he is real high withered,best i remember his top line was fair,and he seemed to have fair proportion, just a little to small .
good luck
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Haymaker why don't you get someone to take a picture of you riding these horses? Be better than tied to a panel or just standing . The proof is in the pudding . Get on and ride them if they don't work for you then it doesn't matter how good they look.
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker why don't you get someone to take a picture of you riding these horses? Be better than tied to a panel or just standing . The proof is in the pudding . Get on and ride them if they don't work for you then it doesn't matter how good they look.

Its kinda a long story but,was thinkin about gettin my ole gray horse back,but the little lady that I give him to pitched a fit,me and her father had it all worked out,that is until she heard about it,she was'nt bashful when she reminded me of our deal.
Anyway kinda miss the horse deal,so Im lookin/ridin horses,I dont think I will be askin strangers to take pictures of me on their horse,I will find one in time,aint in a big hurry,remember I still have a mule :D
good luck & send me a good rain,drier than a sack of bull durham around here.

PS what impressed me about the little horse I posted pic's of was his ground manners,and the fact that little devil can flat run.
 

HAY MAKER

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Silver said:
I would have to agree with FH, although Appy's can be smaller and flatter muscled and still be tough as nails and strong as all get out.

Of course, horses can be too big too. Like this horse of mine for example:
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Silver,that's my kinda horse............to fat to even crow hop :D :D
good luck
PS Good lookin young lady riding a good looking horse :wink:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker why don't you get someone to take a picture of you riding these horses? Be better than tied to a panel or just standing . The proof is in the pudding . Get on and ride them if they don't work for you then it doesn't matter how good they look.

Its kinda a long story but,was thinkin about gettin my ole gray horse back,but the little lady that I give him to pitched a fit,me and her father had it all worked out,that is until she heard about it,she was'nt bashful when she reminded me of our deal.
Anyway kinda miss the horse deal,so Im lookin/ridin horses,I dont think I will be askin strangers to take pictures of me on their horse,I will find one in time,aint in a big hurry,remember I still have a mule :D
good luck & send me a good rain,drier than a sack of bull durham around here.

PS what impressed me about the little horse I posted pic's of was his ground manners,and the fact that little devil can flat run.


You mean you'd by a horse from a stranger but wouldn't ask them to take a picture of you on it. :roll:
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker why don't you get someone to take a picture of you riding these horses? Be better than tied to a panel or just standing . The proof is in the pudding . Get on and ride them if they don't work for you then it doesn't matter how good they look.

Its kinda a long story but,was thinkin about gettin my ole gray horse back,but the little lady that I give him to pitched a fit,me and her father had it all worked out,that is until she heard about it,she was'nt bashful when she reminded me of our deal.
Anyway kinda miss the horse deal,so Im lookin/ridin horses,I dont think I will be askin strangers to take pictures of me on their horse,I will find one in time,aint in a big hurry,remember I still have a mule :D
good luck & send me a good rain,drier than a sack of bull durham around here.

PS what impressed me about the little horse I posted pic's of was his ground manners,and the fact that little devil can flat run.


You mean you'd by a horse from a stranger but wouldn't ask them to take a picture of you on it. :roll:

Yup,that's what I mean................good luck
 
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Anonymous

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Haymaker- I'm not an appy fan-- but don't let that fact or the fact the horse is little stop you from getting him if you like everything else....

One of the toughest horses I ever rode was a neighbors that was a big headed ugly Appy and only stood 14 hands tall- probably weighed 900 lbs....Whitey could go all day- in the breaks working cattle- get back to pickup and load from the flat into the back of the pickup stockrack-pre stocktrailer days (even saw him hauled a couple times with no stockrack :shock: )...
He had a pretty nice walk, but was just shorter strided than some of the others we were riding- being his only drawback (besides being just plumb ugly looking) was a rough trot that he'd get into to keep up with those big old rangy horses- but had the smoothest lope- and if you needed to cover country could lope forever....
If you tied onto something big- he'd almost get down on his knees digging for traction to drag it....

Some of those little horses will surprise you....One of the pictures I still have of my dad was on a horse that was 14 hands high (Shorty) and my Dad was 6'5" tall... His legs really stick down on that horse--but Dad said that when they had to make a big sweep (50-60-70 miles in a day --sometimes up into Canada) to gather horses or trail horses to the railhead- he'd always take Shorty as he was the one that still had some gas left at the end of the day, when many of those big horses were played out.....
 

HAY MAKER

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Oldtimer said:
Haymaker- I'm not an appy fan-- but don't let that fact or the fact the horse is little stop you from getting him if you like everything else....

One of the toughest horses I ever rode was a neighbors that was a big headed ugly Appy and only stood 14 hands tall- probably weighed 900 lbs....Whitey could go all day- in the breaks working cattle- get back to pickup and load from the flat into the back of the pickup stockrack-pre stocktrailer days (even saw him hauled a couple times with no stockrack :shock: )...
He had a pretty nice walk, but was just shorter strided than some of the others we were riding- being his only drawback (besides being just plumb ugly looking) was a rough trot that he'd get into to keep up with those big old rangy horses- but had the smoothest lope- and if you needed to cover country could lope forever....
If you tied onto something big- he'd almost get down on his knees digging for traction to drag it....

Some of those little horses will surprise you....One of the pictures I still have of my dad was on a horse that was 14 hands high (Shorty) and my Dad was 6'5" tall... His legs really stick down on that horse--but Dad said that when they had to make a big sweep (50-60-70 miles in a day --sometimes up into Canada) to gather horses or trail horses to the railhead- he'd always take Shorty as he was the one that still had some gas left at the end of the day, when many of those big horses were played out.....

I have'nt ruled that little horse out,Im thinking he will make a little more height and fill out some,might make a horse who knows until you give him a job.
The man that owns him says he will give you an honest days work,I have always liked a medium sized horse,bout 15,never really cared for the leggy thoroughbreds,except on the track. :wink:
good luck
 

Blkbuckaroo

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I like a stocky horse,i think they work great in most aspects of ranch work.This particular horse would be put together a bit better if he had a little bit more leg and foot on him to fit his body and was'nt so narrow through the hip,i'd like to see a better hip on a horse with a barrel like that.Also his neck from the throat latch to shoulder is a little ewe'd out which makes it harder for that horse to flex very well,although appys tend to have a fuller neck.But he looks healthy and that's important,might make you a good horse,probably has a heck of a roll back with that short stocky body.
 

kolanuraven

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All I've ever owned are Appys and I've had some that were meaner than ' cat pizz' and others that were sweet and calm.....but they all tend to have a dash of ' character' built into them. :wink: :wink: :wink:

My last reg Appy was a HUGE, spotted up red leopard. A bit over 16hands and when he had to have eye surgery @ UGA we weighed him and he was 1120 lbs. :shock: :shock:

Then, he stepped off the scale,onto my foot and promptly broke it...and I was convinced he really weighed about 11,000 at the time!!!

I tell anyone if YOU like the horse and it fits what YOU want and can deal with....it's YOUR money so spend it how you like it.
 

Blkbuckaroo

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kolanuraven said:
All I've ever owned are Appys and I've had some that were meaner than ' cat pizz' and others that were sweet and calm.....but they all tend to have a dash of ' character' built into them. :wink: :wink: :wink:

My last reg Appy was a HUGE, spotted up red leopard. A bit over 16hands and when he had to have eye surgery @ UGA we weighed him and he was 1120 lbs. :shock: :shock:

Then, he stepped off the scale,onto my foot and promptly broke it...and I was convinced he really weighed about 11,000 at the time!!!

I tell anyone if YOU like the horse and it fits what YOU want and can deal with....it's YOUR money so spend it how you like it.

I agree.If you and that little horse can get along,then buy him.
 

Faster horses

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From not caring for Appys at all, I have learned to respect them for
who they are. No. 1, Appys have striped feet which I have found are
the best feet of all.
Also, many times people can get along with an Appy that can't get
along with a more highly bred horse.

One of the best-looking horses I have ever seen was a registered Appy with no spots. Wow, that was one nice horse.

As for size, well, Billy Wagoner from Arvada, Wyoming probably rode a horse further and longer than most people. He was very careful not to over-ride a young horse. How he learned that was from having a 900 lb. grey mare that was a great horse. He rode her like she was a big horse and he says she was done at 7. So keep that in mind if you have big country to ride. Billy rode and cared for cattle on 72,000 acres, where you couldn't get a pickup and horse trailer. I always admired him and his son , Tom. They rode a lot of young horses and what they would do, is ride a horse and lead a colt to where they were going to sort cattle. They'd tie the colt up to the fence, gather the pasture and trail the cows in to where the colts were. They would then ride the colts to sort with and then ride the horse home and lead the colt. They never over-did the young horses this way; which was really their code...don't kill off a young horse, he'll never be the horse he could be if you do.

They were considered the best horsemen in the country. They always "considered the horse" even before the concept was popular.

Billy had a pair of horses that he rode and led. If he had a yearling to rope and doctor, the horse being led wouldn't even take the slack out of the lead rope--it was old hat to them.

His son is training horses now and his website is www.stopwatchhorses.com. I couldn't begin to tell you what a hand he
is--with cattle and horses.

Shoot, that link doesn't work. So just type it in yourself and it will work. (I think) :p :? :)
 

nr

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HAY MAKER said:
PS what impressed me about the little horse I posted pic's of was his ground manners,and the fact that little devil can flat run.

Just how much "flat running" do you plan to do on him?
Never pictured you that way, Haymaker. :D
 
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