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Cross Over Subject - Abortion

OldDog/NewTricks

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sw said:
ONE more thing that has to be addressed is that a woman has the right to choose whether she spreads her legs or not to start with. She has the right. don't go giving me any of this lib crap. The woman has the power. She can use it how she feels fit. My first wife went down and had an abortion because she did not think that she could raise a third child. She called me from the clinic to get a ride home and could not understand why I TOLD HER TO PACK HER STUFF. Don't start giving me this men are evil garbage because women are as much to blame as we are you womens libers started this

This is a sick mind!

Keep it clean... and kind!
Remember this is a Coffee Shop with kids sitting at the table. Please don't tell jokes and use language that are more suitable for a beer joint.

And be kind to your fellow posters. Even though you disagree with their opinion and think they are a total idiot, please disagree in a nice manner.
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Cal

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OldDog/NewTricks said:
sw said:
ONE more thing that has to be addressed is that a woman has the right to choose whether she spreads her legs or not to start with. She has the right. don't go giving me any of this lib crap. The woman has the power. She can use it how she feels fit. My first wife went down and had an abortion because she did not think that she could raise a third child. She called me from the clinic to get a ride home and could not understand why I TOLD HER TO PACK HER STUFF. Don't start giving me this men are evil garbage because women are as much to blame as we are you womens libers started this

This is a sick mind!

Keep it clean... and kind!
Remember this is a Coffee Shop with kids sitting at the table. Please don't tell jokes and use language that are more suitable for a beer joint.

And be kind to your fellow posters. Even though you disagree with their opinion and think they are a total idiot, please disagree in a nice manner.
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Who are you to accuse sw of being a sick mind? If anything the reverse seems more likely. He's a damn fine American and the father of a Marine, the rest of us are glad he shares some time on here.
 

OldDog/NewTricks

Well-known member
sw said:
ONE more thing that has to be addressed is that a woman has the right to choose whether she spreads her legs or not to start with. She has the right. don't go giving me any of this lib crap. The woman has the power. She can use it how she feels fit. My first wife went down and had an abortion because she did not think that she could raise a third child. She called me from the clinic to get a ride home and could not understand why I TOLD HER TO PACK HER STUFF. Don't start giving me this men are evil garbage because women are as much to blame as we are you womens libers started this

I feel sorry for the Hate that lays inside!

Not knowing there was at Thread something like this in the Political Section of Ranchers.net I brought this Thread here from another Ag Talk Site where Thinking People with Cooler Heads were having an Intelligent Discussions on the subject. I hoped we/my friends here might be able to carry on the same calm cool discuss. BUT… What Do I Find?

I find that Our Children, Friends and Family are Dieing in other parts of the world to STOP this kind of thinking and we let it go on here -
Who Are We?
How Can We Face Our Selves In the Mirror?
I find myself ashamed of the people at Rancher.net and Hope that Macon sees fit to delete this whole Thread – so I may see fit, and not ashamed to refer my friends here.
 

Liberty Belle

Well-known member
OldDog/NewTricks - I too am sorry for the hate that lays inside... you! How can you equate kicking out a woman who has just killed your baby with hate? You'd be thrilled with her maybe? If your wife called to tell you she had just strangled little V_KEY, would you be just a little bit mad at her?

Who Are We?
How Can We Face Our Selves In the Mirror?
I find myself ashamed of the people at Rancher.net and Hope that Macon sees fit to delete this whole Thread – so I may see fit, and not ashamed to refer my friends here.
Take yourself and your friends elsewhere. You will be happier and so will we.
 

MsSage

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I see this post has been moved which is fine with me. I do have a question for old dog.....Why did you post on coffee shop? Please make sure you have read what I said in defence of you....................If you wanted an open decussion in a friendly place then it should have kept the tone of the environment. Ok I have been told I am too concerned with etiquette.
So why did you and others start attacking people on thier beliefs. YES my GAWD it is a very personal topic and it is very emotional.
How many have teenagers? Do you ever get them to listen by demanding? NO you need to explain and listen to them. Once there is a feeling of knowing things will not result in a yelling match and everyone is heard you get the result you want.
You can not change a persons belief by yelling and attacking them.........you have ~HAVE to change thier heart, and you only do that through love and truely listening.
I will say life begins at conception and I try to understand pro choicers point of view. Maybe one day I will be able to plant the seed and it will grow and they will see as I did.
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
sw said:
OK you Liberals here is what I have to say about this. We were told by our wonderful doctors that we should abort Mandy, she should be a Downs child that we could not deal with. She has won more awards than should be ever given to one child for physical things and mental things and they will not stop and those professionals said that we should terminate this pregnacy because we could not handle the outcome. KISSS THISS. Your abortion crap don't hold water at this house. That is killing a human being. If you think that abortion should be a legal means of birth control than you better start rethinking your hole card cause you aint got nothing.


I'd like to add to this,

I was 35 when I became pregnant with Montana Cowgurl, so I went through the amniocentesis rigamarole. The "phone call" I received from the lab just about killed me. They said the chromosomes were trisomy (meaning Mongolism) and maybe I ought to consider my options. I waited for sw to come home, to tell him, that was the most difficult day of my life. HOWEVER there WERE NO OPTIONS in MY mind. After talking everything over (WE DIDN'T TALK OPTIONS, WE CONSOLED EACH OTHER) we figured somehow the amniotic samples weren't treated with the care they should have been, the lab person I talked to also made a comment of fragments of chromosomes which clued me into perhaps a misdiagnosis. HOWEVER I was going to have that baby because I didn't and still don't believe in aborting (murdering) a baby just to make my life easier for me. Montana Cowgurl is a smart, athletic young lady and has the WHOLE WORLD in front of her and I want her to have it.

I also want to add to the fact if my pregnancy was misdiagnosed for mongolism, how many other babies have been aborted for the same reason, being healthy normal babies? The thought sickens and scares me.
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
OldDog/NewTricks said:
sw said:
ONE more thing that has to be addressed is that a woman has the right to choose whether she spreads her legs or not to start with. She has the right. don't go giving me any of this lib crap. The woman has the power. She can use it how she feels fit. My first wife went down and had an abortion because she did not think that she could raise a third child. She called me from the clinic to get a ride home and could not understand why I TOLD HER TO PACK HER STUFF. Don't start giving me this men are evil garbage because women are as much to blame as we are you womens libers started this

This is a sick mind!

Keep it clean... and kind!
Remember this is a Coffee Shop with kids sitting at the table. Please don't tell jokes and use language that are more suitable for a beer joint.

And be kind to your fellow posters. Even though you disagree with their opinion and think they are a total idiot, please disagree in a nice manner.
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Sir, You are of the Sick Mind for posting this in the first place. What were your intentions? Hmmmmmm? Did you not think this would cause contention amongst those who believe in using abortion a birth control and those who don't? You have NO IDEA how I felt when sw told me what his evil ex wife did to him. How would you like it if your spouse called you up from the clinic and told you to pick her up-she just aborted YOUR baby???? Hmmmmm? That had to have been the lowest thing a woman could do to a man.

PS My HUSBAND does NOT have a SICK MIND!!!!!
 

Mrs.Greg

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Hanta yo,sw,You two just proved a very good reason WHY abortion should not happen.And sw I have to agree on the women has the ultimate choice to begin with {rape not withstanding}.This is where this thread belongs and I see as the norm under P.B its already getting nasty.Just wanted you two to say I RESPECT your choice and happy with your outcome....you did not take the easy way out and won in the end!!
 

OldDog/NewTricks

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This Thread Started with a QUESTION
OldDog/NewTricks said:
Is abortion a big issue for you?

With the appointment of Judge Alito for a seat on the Supreme Court we are hearing all sorts of speeches from left wing politicians and summaries in the news about abortion. But is abortion a front burner issue for you?

It was not until the middle of the forth page I see it took a big turn and soon after that came Something I would expect, in tone, from the Taliban

sw said:
ONE more thing that has to be addressed is that a woman has the right to choose whether she spreads her legs or not to start with. She has the right. don't go giving me any of this lib crap. The woman has the power. She can use it how she feels fit. My first wife went down and had an abortion because she did not think that she could raise a third child. She called me from the clinic to get a ride home and could not understand why I TOLD HER TO PACK HER STUFF. Don't start giving me this men are evil garbage because women are as much to blame as we are you womens libers started this

Not knowing “sw” I had mental pictures of a Wife Beating Child Molester and tended to side with the then Wife

Then on page #5 I read stories by “Hanta Yo” his present wife and got to know another Man/Husband.

In real life and on the Net there are words I wish I could take BACK and so it is in calling him A SICK MIND! But I still say that the Tone of his Post is That of the Taliban.


P.S.
I'm the one that saked Macom to Delete this Thread - it was his choice to move it here.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Notice how many people are silent for fear of being ripped to shreds for having an opinion you all don't like in this matter.

I was away for a few days,,,,,and things were a little testy to say the least...

and after reading all the posts I have a question or two.....

R2 presented the Catholic position on birth control as reasoning for promoting abortion....

If one is forbiddon by her beliefs from taking birth control, why is aborting the resulting child okey?

If you do not want children either don't have sex....or use birth control....
no other option should be acceptable....

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Most conservative republicans can accept "limited" abortions.....
such as...Preganacies resulting from Rape....incest (still rape) and health reasons...

but are offended by abortion as birth control.....late term abortions.....and those that have repeated abortions......(thus dehumanizing, devalueing life)

with this in mind why can't liberals compromise?
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Steve

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I guess because it's much easier to legislate through the judiciary

I am not actually in favor of judges "making laws"

by law and our constitution, They can not....


Judges power to make laws is not in the Constitution.....


if the law fails to be Constitutional it should be struck down......not be replaced with another law.....

It is not part of the judicial function to make the law — a responsibility vested in the Legislature — or to execute the law — a responsibility vested in the Executive. As Marshall wrote in his most famous opinion, however, "[it] is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is." Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137, 177 (1803).

First, judges must be constantly aware that their role, while important, is limited. They do not have a commission to solve society's problems, as they see them, but simply to decide cases before them according to the rule of law. When the other branches of government exceed their constitutionally mandated limits, the courts can act to confine them to the proper bounds. It is judicial self-restraint, however, that confines judges to their proper constitutional responsibilities.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Limiting choice will mean the poor have few choices and the middle class and wealthy continue as before. Is this really what you are striving for?

is it any differant right now under the current lack of law?

would not smart compromise actually offer more choices other then abortion for the poor.......?
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Hanta yo,sw,You two just proved a very good reason WHY abortion should not happen.And sw I have to agree on the women has the ultimate choice to begin with {rape not withstanding}.This is where this thread belongs and I see as the norm under P.B its already getting nasty.Just wanted you two to say I RESPECT your choice and happy with your outcome....you did not take the easy way out and won in the end!!

Thanks, Mrs. Greg, and we really did win in the end!!!! :nod: :nod:
 

Soapweed

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Abortion can be "justified" until Hell freezes over, but that doesn't change the fact that it just ain't right.

One thing about all those little unborn babies that get terminated, every one of them will get to Heaven with no questions asked. They certainly have not reached the "age of accountability". The people involved with doing the abortions also have the opportunity to get to Heaven, but their heavy conciences will require considerably more repenting, forgiveness, and understanding the preciousness of Life to get there.
 

katrina

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As a mother of two miracle boys. It's hard for me to understand any reason for an abortion, except when the mothers life is in jeapordy.
We have had two babies that didn't go full term and that is one of the most aggenizing times in our life.
I was told that our youngest son had downs symdrome. THE DOCTORS WERE WRONG!!!!!!!
He has only minor disabilities in reading and is border-line diebetic.
I spent 6 weeks in the icu with dean. He was one of the better kids on the premeie ward.Everyone should go spend a little time on icu ward for babies.
Times have changed and it's not that big of a stigma to have a baby without being married. I don't approve of it, but an abortion is not the answer either....IMHO
 

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