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Cruz Not Eligible For President?

Faster horses

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Many states have declared him eligible. New Jersey being one.
Ted knows the Constitution better than anyone. Do you think he would have entered the race if he weren't eligible?
Oh yeah, there will be those like yourself who would try to discredit him and they might get it done since there is
so much corruption in politics nowadays.

Here is something from 2015.

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2015/03/23/conservatives-need-to-know-ted-cruz-is-eligible-to-run-for-president-in-2016/

And this April 29, 2016:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2016/04/29/ted-cruz-eligible-president-gaughan/83540368/
 

Mike

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Ted knows the Constitution better than anyone.

Dead wrong. He was involved in nine cases before SCOTUS and only won two cases outright of those nine. That means that he was over-ruled on the seven losing cases and his positions/arguments were declared "Unconstitutional" by SCOTUS.

Therefore, he interpreted the Constitutional issue in those cases wrong, or differently than the highest court.

It might be said that he "THINKS" he knows the Constitution better than anyone.
 

Steve

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I would agree that Cruz is ineligible by the strictest reading of the law... Obama is another.. but that never went to court..

I feel that my vote for Cruz at this point will open up those questions to real legal scrutiny and answer them once and for all...

between Donalds whining and the possible court results on the natural born issue, this election alone could put our party on a path to getting it back in the control of the republican people...

without this closly contested fight.. none of these issues would have been brought up and scrutinized by the general public and media..

so if you want to see our party fixed.. and our country Constitution enforced... simply keep Cruz in the race long enough to get it done..

and the only way to keep him in the race is to vote for him...
 

Mike

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§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
 

Brad S

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Hey mike, I would suggest the Supreme Court is demonstrably wrong many times in the last 50 years. By your anylitical standards, the court was right when it rewrote Obama care. Only liberals think the court can write legislation. The court is damn to hell wrong with respect to the 10th amendment, but the court took this path in the 19th century. I have the opinion that the founders would support Cruz and Paul and they wrote the document.

What kind of paradox are we in when even people that say they are conservative, parrot an activist court as always correct by virtue of being the all knowing government.

Let's at least recognize the fact that Cruz is sufficiently thoughtful on the constitution that Donald trump cowers from direct comparison. About the smartest thing trump has done. Trump, if elected will have plenty of Cruz to answer to before the people - and hiding won't work so well.
 

W.T

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California Republican Presidential Primary KABC/SurveyUSA Trump 54, Cruz 20, Kasich 16
172 delegates. The fat lady is warming up.
 

Mike

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SCOTUS is the highest measure we have of declaring Constitutionality, or lack of.. All other opinions are moot.

Why do we need another President that is supposed to be a Constitutional expert? The one we have now not good enough for you? lol
 

Brad S

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Mike said:
SCOTUS is the highest measure we have of declaring Constitutionality, or lack of.. All other opinions are moot.

Do you think the Supreme Court has the authority to write laws? I'll assume not. Did the Supreme Court change obamacare? I'll assume you know the answer is yes.
What does this situation indicate about the logic you used to dismiss Cruz? Your anti logic is failed.

Why do we need another President that is supposed to be a Constitutional expert? The one we have now not good enough for you? lol

I know, Barry is so bad, let's get someone that doesn't breathe air. Logic flaw of faulty inclusion.

When you support the insult machine, you simply must flee logic.
 

Mike

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Nationality Act Of 1940

http://library.uwb.edu/static/usimmigration/54%20stat%201137.pdf

Whether Ted Cruz is a citizen of the U.S. lies in this document. Scroll down to "Chapter II" - Nationality At Birth.
Citizenship depends on whether his father (Rafael) was a "National" of the U.S. or an "Alien" . (Definitions exclude "Aliens" as "Nationals".)

A "National" means someone owing permanent allegiance to a State.

P.S. "Natural Born Citizen" should not be confused with "Citizen". But there is no mention of that requirement, which undoubtedly is more stringent than "Citizen".

Rafael Cruz left Cuba in 1957 to attend the University of Texas at Austin and obtained political asylum in the United States after his four-year student visa expired. Rafael Cruz earned Canadian citizenship in 1973 and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2005. Rafael was obviously not a U.S. citizen when Ted Cruz was born, in that he gained U.S. citizenship in 2005.
 

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