will this go through the red angus also?? was a heated debate about it at the pool hall tonight. one claimed anything black, the other said anything tied to Angus....
Think about it this way Jigs. If you have heart disease in your family and you have children from women of every Nationality. Do you think there is less chance of heart problems in your progeny depending on the race of the mother?
Well it probably is in the red angus because the way I understand it some of the known carrier bulls have been used in red angus...ex. 1680....Not sure what moves the red angus association has done....
I don't know if that is the correct way to describe it- as it has not gone though the angus breed...Only some bloodlines, that are quickly being identified -and only in some of the progeny of those lines-- and any progeny from those lines can no longer be registered without testing to see if they are a carrier....That and the fact the identified carriers papers are being marked so most will/can avoid them- should allow the defect to be pretty well eliminated in short time...
Still a lot of angus cattle out there that trace in no way to any of the known carrier animals.....
The answer is yes, it probably will. I was told that their are around 2000 animals that are registered in the Red Angus Association that go back to 1680. They didn't say how many generations they go back. But it will also affect the Gelb, Simmi, Limi, and any/all other breeds that are using these same pedigrees to to make Composite cattle.
Everyone just needs to be aware of the pedigrees they are using.
I received a promotional flyer on a bull that Ben Lawson (Bovagene) has and the bull is a son of Precision 1680. I thought it odd that he would send a flyer promoting a bull bred that close to 1680. I don't have it here, but it seems like he said this is the best bull he's ever owned or something to that effect.
I like a lot of Ben Lawsons pedigrees but this kind of suprised me.
What are your opinions on this?
Theoreticly only up to 50% of 1680's offspring could be carriers. 25% would be non carriers and the 25% that were homozygous carriers would not survive.
Theoreticly only up to 50% of 1680's offspring could be carriers. 25% would be non carriers and the 25% that were homozygous carriers would not survive.
And now that they have developed the test to identify carriers of the recessive gene- you can still use offspring of 1680 or Future Direction or whatever- if they tested AMF (free)...
Faster Horses- the AAA website has a list of all those that have been tested and lists them as AMC (carrier) or AMF (free)- and all those tested now have listed on their pedigrees behind their registration number AMF meaning they are clean......
They also have a site where owners can check out all the registered cattle they have on record--So far the AAA are showing they have not identified any AMC cattle ancestors in the pedigrees of any of the cattle I have....
I checked my cattle on the AAA thing and I had 1 potential carrier that goes back to 9J9 in the fourth generation. Not real sure if I am all that worried about her, but may check her just to be safe.
I think the biggest concern is those cattle that are going to be bred double to 1680 somehow. Like my cow, that 9J9 is so far back that I should be okay, but you never know either.
The AAA has allowed the general public to test their cattle now.
The bulls are being updated on AAA web page anyone can read the results. Bulls tested will have AMC or AMF behind the reg number. In time I am not sure how these cattle will be marketed or accepted by buyers or breeders. Time will tell.....One needs to spend some time reading all their rules on this before they make any coments and as time goes on I would expect issues to change in time. I read where at least one semen company is replacing semen they have sold as long as its thawed.
40 years ago a family member was presdient of a minor cattle breed registery. This happened then with only ONE calf and some of the breeders went as wild as they are now. (However if you multiply that with as many angus and angus semen that have been pushed on breeders
it is much bigger issue.)
Back in the 70s when this calf was born testing was done by a Dr Leapoid
Then several Scottish breeders jumped on the wagon that this was a issue with American breeders and were ready willing and able to supply the US with fresh breeding stock.... :wink: Let em remind you this was only one calf. Sire and dam went to town that was it.