Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam- R-CALF is a cattle industry organization--AMI, NCBA, NMPA are the beef industry organizations....R-CALF represents cattlemen- these others represent Packers.....
Oldtimer if R-CALF, "the Cattle Organization" keeps spouting damaging lies about the beef industry because of their hate for packers, Beef demand will fall then who will you sell your "cattle" to? You are a complete idiot if you think the "cattle Industry" can survive without the beef industry. When R-CALF goes after the beef industry with lies they are destroying the market to which YOU SELL YOUR CATTLE. :roll:
Well Tam- If telling people the truth about fraudulent sales of imported beef, purposely mislabeling for financial gain, inept bureaucracy, outright coverups in both the industry and govt., and safety decisions made based not on science but based on economic gain for the Multinationals offends you, then I guess you and I will never agree...I believe in being open and honest...
You worried there won't be a US beef industry to shirttail on again Tam :???: :lol: :lol: I know it isn't because you worry about your ex-country or countrymen that you seemingly curse daily :wink: ....
TIME FOR BED OLDTIMER you are reverting to the loyality to your excountrymen excape again.
But until you do go to bed let us look at the
truth Oldtimer You claim the USDA INSPECTED label is fraudulent but the stamp doesn't say US Beef it says USDA INSPECTED. Meaning it was inspected and passed the same standards that the domestic beef has to pass. The only thing that makes it fraudulent to you is you are
assuming the consumers see that as US BEEF not USDA
INSPECTED. Now let us look at the
BSE TESTED label that would have been appearing if Creekstone,
with the full support of R-CALF, would have been allowed to test the
under thirty month old cattle they slaughter. Does it mean anything other than the beef was tested
NO even Creekstone admits to that. As the test done on UTM cattle RARELY results in a positive. The test that the US uses has been show not to find positives in OTM cattle either. :wink: But if consumers is not smart enough to realize the USDA inspected label doesn't mean US BEEF, will they be smart enough to realize the BSE tested label does not mean
BSE FREE. :???: And don't tell me that label would not be appearing on any beef that wasn't shipped to Japan as if Creekstone tests, they are going to use it as a market ploy in every market they have if they think the consumers will buy their beef with the assumed meaning of the label. Gee who's financial gain with fraudulent labeling was
R-CALF backing there Oldtimer. And the M"COOL" label will be labeling US beef by DEFAULT as R-CALF's plan was design to, not labeling it because the packer knows it came from the US producers because he has a system that proves where it came from. Is that not also
perpetrating a fraud on the US consumers if they ASSUME the packers can trace that beef back to the US PRODUCER where the animal was actually BORN like we are expected to do if we want to export our beef into the US Market.? Fraud is defined by the eyes looking at the issue. I call the BSE tested label and the M"COOL" US BEEF labels both frauds supported by R-CALF and you see a label that says USDA
INSPECTED a fraud :roll:
...I believe in being open and honest...
By supporting a law that labels beef by DEFAULT not because of proof. :roll:
And if you believe in the TRUTH then what are you doing paying you dues to a bunch of liars. Just to refresh your memory of R-CALF's honesty.
"We test annually over 150,000 more cattle than Canada tests."
do we need to go over the numbers again Oldtimer?
"we know Canada is still processing downer animals, the United States does not process downers".
Do we need to review where the Washington cow was and where the Texas cow was taken and found dead on the truck? and where all the Canadian BSE postive cows were found in CANADA
Canada has a chronic problem with their Meat and Bone Meal (MBM) feed ban and that it is ineffective.
Gee do we need review the records of compliance?
Canada's feed ban is not adequately enforced.
would you like to look at the Canadian records like the NCBA and the USDA did Oldtimer. I have looked at the GAO report on your enforcement Gee. GOOD JOB there.
News reports originating in Canada indicated that as much as 70% of cattle feed samples tested contained unauthorized animal parts, suggesting that Canada has not adequately enforced its feed bans".
Gee no mention of the imported samples Oldtimer and where they came from or what those "unauthorized animal parts" were. That just might have changed the tone of the message that Leo was trying to imply from "OH MY GOD we can't trust the Canadian to do anything right" to "SO WHAT We better find out what we exported to them and do something about it so we aren't putting our herd at risk while we are putting theirs at risk from US FEED".
importing UTM (under thirty month) cattle and meat from OTM (over thirty month) cattle would put the U.S. feed system in danger.
what happen to the World Highest Standards and the great compliance to the Best MBM feed ban? and What known risk is there from UNDER THIRTY MONTH OLD ANIMALS AND
MEAT?
if the U.S. imports the UTM cattle from Canada to be processed in the U.S. plants, the U.S. consumers would be put in danger.
Just how much risk is there in UTM cattle oldtimer and are the US producers still selling meat from UTM AND OTM cattle now that you HAVE BSE?
Our high health and safety standards are needed to protect consumers, the beef industry, and U.S. jobs"
What jobs Oldtimer it sure wasn't the jobs lost in the meat packing industry or the feed lots that couldn't access enough cattle to keep all their workers busy and had to down size.
Under no circumstances should the United States accept any cattle, beef or beef products, from countries that do not maintain identical or more stringent safeguard measures that is presently required or presently proposed in the United States which measures have been enforced for at least as long as the United States.
Gee if we didn't have more stringent safeguards why are R-CALFers including
YOU insisting you have the right to have the same safeguards as Canada if you are going to import our cattle?
"If there is a positive case again in the U.S., we as a beef producing nation shouldn't market beef in cattle older that 20 months".
Gee where is Dennis now and why hasn't he demanded the US cattlemen stop selling cattle over the age of 20 months as they may wind up in a slaughter plant being sold as US
BEEF
"we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don't worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue.
You all know what I think of this gem from Leo and not one of you can explain to us how firewalls that can protect the US consumers from US BSE can't protect from imported CAN YOU?
"R-CALF USA [has] never argued that there was a great risk to human health from resumed imports of cattle and beef from Canada."
WORD GAMES
great risk verses Tainted and unsafe for human consumption, which lead Cebull to believe and included in his, word for word from R-CALFs statements, ruling "PRESENTS A GENUINE RISK OF DEATH" . but they never said there was a Great Risk. :roll:
If that is the kind of honesty you pay for, honesty doesn't mean much to you. . Unlike you I believe admitting the industry has a problem and doing everything we can to assure our consumers we are taking it serious so we can protect them is being honest. Be it doing the
recommended testing, IDing our cattle, upgradeing feed ban and firewalls. We have to do what ever it takes to make sure our consumer know we CARE. Blaming others for the faults we could and should be handling as an industry is not honest. I ask you and your honesty Oldtimer if the R_CALF fight is with the USDA why all the LIES about the Canadian beef industry?OPEN AND HONEST NOW OLDTIMER.