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Dear Mr. Soapweed:

kolanuraven

Well-known member
I saw this and you came to mind as I remember your deep desire to return to the Leave It To Beaver days.

Ahhhh,yes those were good ol' day where the gov't did not intrude into your life!!

Really????

The below is from David Frum and I believe it was pub'd in the WSJ



"Compare the United States of 2012 to the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States.

The government regulated the price of natural gas.

It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock.

Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

The top rate of income tax was 91%.

It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States.

All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study.

The United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962."
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Best part about all that is that we did not have a president that put us 16 trillian dollars more in debt...

Just think koko you couldn't even have had your imaginary Cessna jet back then :wink: :wink:
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
I suspect one's desires to return to those Leave it to Beaver days is rooted in one's beliefs that those of us who grew up in those days lived in the best of times.

I see nothing wrong with such a desire though as I've posted here many times, I believe we're past the point where our children and grand children can expect to live in even better times than we.

As a senior in high school our home was never locked.....never.....even at night. Mom and dad left the keys in their vehicles 24/7.

Drugs? We took drugs when we were sick.

Teenage pregnancy, unwed mothers? Wow, what a scandal that was when the rare event occurred.

Hard work and living a clean, honest, frugal lifestyle were the norm. When people needed help they looked to relatives, friends, the church, not the federal government.

Sure, by any number of measures the country is more "free" today. Has it really changed for the better? Can you honestly tell us that you believe your children and their children have an even greater shot at living a better life than we who grew up in those Leave it to Beaver days?

Perhaps, but I doubt it.

Mock us if you wish. Unfortunately this is a case where no one wants the last laugh.
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
I saw this and you came to mind as I remember your deep desire to return to the Leave It To Beaver days.

Ahhhh,yes those were good ol' day where the gov't did not intrude into your life!!

Really????

The below is from David Frum and I believe it was pub'd in the WSJ



"Compare the United States of 2012 to the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States.

The government regulated the price of natural gas.

It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock.

Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

The top rate of income tax was 91%.

It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States.

All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study.

The United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962."

If all of this is true, it didn't affect me much because I was quite young. I would dispute the part about "it was illegal to own a telephone." Our phone system was locally owned by a family in town. We had a big wooden telephone that mounted on the wall. Dad was tall, and Mom was small. On the floor by the phone was a footstool that Mom needed to use to reach the mouthpiece. Phone calls were usually of short duration, because it was tiresome being in a standing position to talk. Besides, it was a party line and many other people on the line needed it, too. If the phone line broke for any reason, it was up to the ranchers to fix it. The dial system came into this area in 1967, but wasn't fully functional until the early 1970's.

I think it was easier to make a living and get ahead back in those days. My dad ran about 250 cows. They made our family a good living. Dad usually had one full time hired hand, and hired extras for haying season before my sisters and I were old enough to help. It took five people to have a full crew to stack hay. We had five tractors, and one car and one pickup. Our oldest tractor was a 1948 Farmall M. Other tractors were a 1956 Farmall Super C, reversed with a sweephead; a 1957 Farmall Super C used to pull a 30' Valley rake; a 1957 John Deere crawler with a loader; and a 1959 IHC 450, used to mow hay in the summertime, and it had a winch and canvas comfort cover for wintertime hay feeding. Dad traded cars every year, and traded pickups every two or three years. Our saddle horses got a lot of use. Four draft horses were kept on hand for feeding hay in deep snow until he got the crawler in 1957. It was a sad day for me when he sold the draft horses that year.

There isn't too much I'd change about growing up on a Sandhills ranch during the 1960's. Looking back, I do wish Dad would have discovered Angus cows a couple of decades quicker. :wink:
 

Mike

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
I saw this and you came to mind as I remember your deep desire to return to the Leave It To Beaver days.

Ahhhh,yes those were good ol' day where the gov't did not intrude into your life!!

Really????

The below is from David Frum and I believe it was pub'd in the WSJ



"Compare the United States of 2012 to the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States.

The government regulated the price of natural gas.

It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock.

Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

The top rate of income tax was 91%.

It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States.

All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study.

The United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962."

Although some of the points are [technically] arguable, it did take several years to crawl out of the Socialist ways of the FDR Administration.
 

Steve

Well-known member
we are not free-er as Kola stated..

but we just traded one small pile of regulations for a mountain of other regulations..

natural gas is still pretty much regulated in how much they can charge a customer.. as is cable TV, phones, and electric,..

sugar, peanuts and a whole bunch of other products are still price controlled..

so is it really better... different..certainly,.. but better?
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
I saw this and you came to mind as I remember your deep desire to return to the Leave It To Beaver days.

Ahhhh,yes those were good ol' day where the gov't did not intrude into your life!!

Really????

The below is from David Frum and I believe it was pub'd in the WSJ



"Compare the United States of 2012 to the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States. They still do.

The government regulated the price of natural gas. NG still has hundreds of regulations.

It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock. Checking account did not earn interest in 1962

Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act. However noone was ever prosecuted

The top rate of income tax was 91%.It was smoke and mirrors. Intentional loopholes and deductions that have since been closed were in place that insured such people never paid such taxes. Now people have a choice not to even live in the US and can take their businesses elsewhere should the government return to insanity.

It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States. Very few needed a phone. You had noone to call.

All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study. Many various deferrements were available. Simply being a college student being the one used most often. Married men were not subject to the draft until late in the Vietnam war.

The United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962."Bullshyt
 

Traveler

Well-known member
We're a freer country today, as far as "free" to live off of the labor of others, and live off of money borrowed from foreign investors. Why is it so difficult for the left to observe what has happened in other countries when they go broke?
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Traveler said:
We're a freer country today, as far as "free" to live off of the labor of others, and live off of money borrowed from foreign investors. Why is it so difficult for the left to observe what has happened in other countries when they go broke?

It's all about POWER for them. POWER over others. The country be damned.
 

Red Barn Angus

Well-known member
I still have the old wooden telephone that we had back in those days. I'm pretty sure I own it. And one telephone back then lasted a lifetime, not like these Chinese plastic junk phones we have today that have a short life.
 
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