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Debt-ceiling blank check is like Emancipation Proclamation

hypocritexposer

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Won't be long and congress will be obsolete. Wouldn't having a President, dictate how things were going to be, be great?

Almost like a dictatorship, with no "rule of law", or Constitution.

WASHINGTON — Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nation’s debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority.

“Sometimes when we’ve gotten great answers is when presidents have had enough authority to take some actions,” Davis told TheDC on Capitol Hill Friday. “I mean, remember that we just celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, and if Abraham Lincoln had not had the power, authority and the will to make that decision, we may have gone on with the war that was going to last several additional years and much longer, and thousands and thousands of people could have and would have, in all probability, lost their lives.”

“So, I think that we should have enough faith and confidence in the president and the president ought to have the authority to make that decision without Congress placing limits or determinates or determinations, and so yes, I think the president should have the ability to make that decision.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/rep-davis-calls-for-confidence-in-the-president-with-debt-limit-control-video/#ixzz2H9cppJGa
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Won't be long and congress will be obsolete. Wouldn't having a President, dictate how things were going to be, be great?

Almost like a dictatorship, with no "rule of law", or Constitution.

WASHINGTON — Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nation’s debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority.

“Sometimes when we’ve gotten great answers is when presidents have had enough authority to take some actions,” Davis told TheDC on Capitol Hill Friday. “I mean, remember that we just celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, and if Abraham Lincoln had not had the power, authority and the will to make that decision, we may have gone on with the war that was going to last several additional years and much longer, and thousands and thousands of people could have and would have, in all probability, lost their lives.”

“So, I think that we should have enough faith and confidence in the president and the president ought to have the authority to make that decision without Congress placing limits or determinates or determinations, and so yes, I think the president should have the ability to make that decision.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/rep-davis-calls-for-confidence-in-the-president-with-debt-limit-control-video/#ixzz2H9cppJGa


Obama says Reagan raised debt ceiling 18 times; George W. Bush seven times

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In a televised address to the nation on July 25, 2011, to discuss the pending deadline on the debt ceiling, President Barack Obama made his pitch for a "balanced" approach to reducing the deficit -- one that includes spending cuts as well as revenue increases from tax increases for wealthier Americans.

With the debt ceiling issue caught in a political deadlock over how to reduce the deficit, Obama noted that raising the debt ceiling has been a relatively routine exercise for decades.

"Understand –- raising the debt ceiling does not allow Congress to spend more money," Obama said. "It simply gives our country the ability to pay the bills that Congress has already racked up. In the past, raising the debt ceiling was routine. Since the 1950s, Congress has always passed it, and every President has signed it. President Reagan did it 18 times. George W. Bush did it seven times. And we have to do it by next Tuesday, August 2nd, or else we won’t be able to pay all of our bills."

Our colleagues at PolitiFact New Jersey last week looked at a similar claim, that every president has raised the debt ceiling. They found that was Mostly True. Only President Harry S. Truman did not.

Here, we are looking at Obama's claim that, "President Reagan did it 18 times. George W. Bush did it seven times."

We'll go straight to the White House Office of Management and Budget, which keeps tabs on when the debt ceiling has been raised.

Among its historical tables is one labeled "Statutory Limits on Federal debt 1940 - Current" (Table 7.3) The table lists 106 increases to the federal debt limit since 1940.

More specifically, it lists 18 increases to the debt ceiling between February 1981 and September 1987. In other words, there were 18 under President Ronald Reagan, as Obama said. And there were seven increases between January 2001 and January 2009 -- during George W. Bush's presidency. We should also note that it has been raised three times already under President Obama, on Feb. 17, 2009, Dec. 28, 2009 and Feb. 12, 2010.

So did Reagans precedents set the tone for such Emancipation :???:

One of the reasons for the current high federal spending and debt comes from the fact a lazy Congress, especially over the past 50 years, has given Bureaucrats and the Departments much more legislative powers and allow them make so many rules with the power of law...
 

Big Muddy rancher

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bMh8BueGme8


Also from the National Review—”In 2007 and in 2008, when the Senate voted to increase the limit by $850 billion and $800 billion respectively, Obama did not bother to vote. (He did vote for TARP, which increased the debt limit by $700 billion.)” And how many Democratic Senators voted “for” raising the debt ceiling in 2006 during the Bush administration?
 
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Dems to W.H.: Don't rule out 14th
on January 04, 2013 at 7:34 PM, updated January 05, 2013 at 2:51 PM


The White House insists President Barack Obama can't -- and won't -- use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling.

But a growing number of his congressional allies are urging Obama not to abandon a potentially powerful weapon before negotiations even begin.

With Republicans promising another climactic fight over the $16.4 trillion debt limit in two months, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Friday that if she were president, she would invoke the Constitution to raise the ceiling on her own -- with or without permission from the GOP.

"I would do it, in a second, but I'm not the president of the United States," Pelosi said.

Like many other Democrats, Pelosi is eyeing the language in the 14th Amendment stating that the validity of U.S. public debts "shall not be questioned." Prominent Democrats, including former President Bill Clinton, have argued that language -- added in the aftermath of the Civil War -- gives Obama all the authority he needs to break the ceiling.
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Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.) said on Friday the Constitution not only allows Obama to bypass Congress on the debt ceiling -- it compels him to.

"I think [the Constitution] is pretty clear. He must do something about paying the bills," Udall said. "If Congress doesn't give him an avenue to do that, a leader needs to take a course of action if the bills aren't being paid. That could be devastating to our economy. It could be devastating to our reputation around the world."

It could be an interesting legal question- and one that may need to get solved in this world of partisanship...Is Congress obligated to pay off its debts? And who then has authority to force the issue?
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
So did Reagans precedents set the tone for such Emancipation :???:

One of the reasons for the current high federal spending and debt comes from the fact a lazy Congress, especially over the past 50 years, has given Bureaucrats and the Departments much more legislative powers and allow them make so many rules with the power of law...

You really do have a problem with comprehending opening posts, don't you?

Reagan signed bills that were given to him by an elected congress. He didn't look to take that power from an elected congress.

obama will have the debate, because that's how governmnet is supposed to work in the US. He was not able to assume a dictatorship, in the fiscal cliff deal, as he wish, so....bipartisanship and compromise on his part, will still be needed.
 
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