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kolanuraven

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I am SOOOOO sick of seeing dead Arabs on the TV!!!!

Ok...he's dead...ya got him.... YEAH..... so quit prancing around with " framed" photos showing he's dead!!

I mean the TV censors had such a hissy with Janet Jackson's boob.....and then raised the fines for indecency 3x's the regualr amount.

I think showing dead guys all the time is pretty indecent!!!
 

Mike

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I guess you didn't see that video of him cutting that guys head off.

I think they should hang him in the sun and let the flies and buzzards strip him to the bone.

IN PUBLIC!
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
I am SOOOOO sick of seeing dead Arabs on the TV!!!!

Ok...he's dead...ya got him.... YEAH..... so quit prancing around with " framed" photos showing he's dead!!

I mean the TV censors had such a hissy with Janet Jackson's boob.....and then raised the fines for indecency 3x's the regualr amount.

I think showing dead guys all the time is pretty indecent!!!

I'd rather see dead terrorists anyday over Janet Jacksons boob..... :wink:
 

nonothing

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This is going to sound like a stupid question to most on here.I just want to know,why are terriost attacking North america?Is it for world power? I cant believe its over gluteny and outta control religion,but i really dont know the answer.If it is teaching others about north america,why not do that?I hope someone can give me the mind set of a terriost to have so much hate to hurt inocent people.
 
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Anonymous

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nonothing said:
This is going to sound like a stupid question to most on here.I just want to know,why are terriost attacking North america?Is it for world power? I cant believe its over gluteny and outta control religion,but i really dont know the answer.If it is teaching others about north america,why not do that?I hope someone can give me the mind set of a terriost to have so much hate to hurt inocent people.

The current hatred for the US and West started with Hitler and the Nazi's. Writings they used to inflame the Arab world against the Jews and Allies...The Baath Party of Iraq and many of the current terrorist groups were originally Nazi offshoots...Some of these groups were formed (or renamed) after the formation of Israel and are against the US, Britain and many European countries because of their support of making Israel an independent country.....

But if you really want to go back in history there has been Christian, Muslim wars going back into the time of the Crusades...Germany tried to get the Muslim world to declare a Jihad against infidels in WWI.....Al Quaeda came about in 1988 to fight the Russians in Afghanistan- then when that war was done Bin Laden needed something (or someone) to fight to keep his power base, so took on the US because we were in Saudi Arabia (corrupting them) and tried to overthrow the Saudi government (his home country)....As far as I'm concerned the whole works is a bunch of intertwined networks of criminals that just use religion as an excuse to expand their powerbase-- a fake cause......Many still use a Nazi written book as their guideline.....
 

Tap

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I don't need to see dead Arabs on TV, but I do like to see dead terrorists anytime they want to show them. I think we all need to be reminded now and then why we are fighting. Just like the networks decision to not show the twin towers video much anymore. :roll:
 

Broke Cowboy

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kolanuraven said:
I don't think anyone SAW that one.....but you get my point!

Would you like the url?

You can turn the sound up if you want to get the full effect.

It and several others - is available on the internet.

It played on the telly in Europe and the middle east. Not sure about North America.

Yeah I get your point.

B.C.
 

Steve

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I hope someone can give me the mind set of a terriost to have so much hate to hurt inocent people.

Nope I can't do it...I never "Hated" anyone.....there are a few I disliked alot.....and some who really p!$$#9 me off.... but no one I ever hated...

and while I quickly tired of seeing dead arabs,,,,,the sight of a radical terrorist dead doesn't bother me one bit.....
 

Broke Cowboy

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nonothing said:
This is going to sound like a stupid question to most on here.I just want to know,why are terriost attacking North america?Is it for world power? I cant believe its over gluteny and outta control religion,but i really dont know the answer.If it is teaching others about north america,why not do that?I hope someone can give me the mind set of a terriost to have so much hate to hurt inocent people.

I will provide some info for you. There will be some information here that you may want to dispute - but I will quote directly from the Koran and provide the reference in event you wish to challenge my input.

Number 6 is very important to your question.

As I have had the opportunity to work with folks who are not from North America I made it a point to search out and try to understand why they think the way they do. I suspect some of this information may startle you.

I also have discovered that to know the enemy is to better understand them and the better to defeat them.

To start it off - Islam is commonly reported to translate into PEACE. My colleagues from Kuwait - Muslim fighter pilots - made sure that I knew this was not true. It translates into SUBMIT. A fact that is seldom if ever broadcast in North America. They used to joke with me - Submit or die.

I often wondered of they were really joking - but they needed my help at the time - so they were not about to lose my knowledge and abilities.

This is because any Imam or Sheik can impose Islamic law according to his desires - there is no universal rule of Islamic law - there is ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT and it can be very regional. A very different way to look at things..

First - Under Islam, rejecting Mohammed and Allah is itself a sin that Islamic government is told to punish:

Sura 3:31:

"Say: 'If you love God, follow me (Mohammed). God will love you and forgive you your sins. God is forgiving and merciful.'"

Sura 5:49:

"Pronounce judgment among them according to God's revelations (Koran) and do not be led by their desires. Take heed lest they turn you away from a part of that which God has revealed to you. If they reject your judgment, know that it is God's wish to scourge them for their sins. A great many of mankind are evil-doers."

Second - Rejecting Islam is itself a sin that can earn you death.

Sura 4:65

"But they will not - I swear by your Lord - they will not be true believers until they seek your arbitration in their disputes. Then they will not doubt the justice of your verdicts and will submit to you entirely."

Third - Good Muslims long for death, and take the Western aversion to death as a sign that we know we are sinners:

Sura 2:94-95

"Say: 'If God's Abode of the Hereafter is for yourselves alone, to the exclusion of all others, then wish for death if your claim be true!' But they will never wish for death, because of what they did; for God knows the evil-doers."

Fourth - CHRISTIANS ARE UNBELIEVERS

Sura 5:72

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'"

Fifth - MUSLIMS CANNOT TAKE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS AS FRIENDS

Sura 3:28

"Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does this has nothing to hope for from God - except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return."

Sixth - SLAYING UNBELIEVERS is specifically commanded, though they can also be made slaves and their property can be confiscated. Non-muslims have no legal rights in Muslim societies. If unbelievers are not killed, they can be made to pay "Jizya," a tax to buy back rights like owning property, working, or going to school.

Sura 2:191:

"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. But do not fight them within the precincts of the Holy Mosque unless they attack you there; if they attack you put them to the sword. thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they mend their ways (become Muslims), know that God is forgiving and merciful."

To continue:

I will not even enter into the morality issues that are so abhorred by the average Muslim - because I will then be thought of as a religious fanatic, when in fact I am simply a person who studies their beliefs. Suffice to say the average North American who accepts homosexuality, drunkeness, drug using, common-law marriages and so on as a fact of modern day life would have no idea how this disgusts the average Muslim.

Yeah, I know it disgusts a lot of people here - but I do not think we are prepared to kill someone who does these things.

There is much more but it will simply bore most of you - so in closing this is a short summary - there may be American born and raised Muslims - or fresh converts - who will disagree. But that is simply because they are a product of the north American society. Most immigrant parents do not - I say again most - not all - do not think of themselves as citizens of this country. They believe that they are part of a religious world community. Citizenship is secondary.

I can even produce Koranic references for that should it become necessary.

They raise their children very differently from the way we raise our children. So the cycle does not change.

Koran is logical. It says:

1. Unbelievers are those who do not accept Islam, particularly Jews and Christians.

2. Because unbelievers do not accept Islam, Allah hates them and does not guide them.

3. Because Allah does not guide them, unbelievers become evil-doers - they commit additional sins besides rejecting Islam.

4. Muslims will see the sins of unbelievers plainly, both in non-Muslim society and in dealings with non-Muslims.

5. Therefore, Muslims must fight unbelievers both to limit sin and give unbelievers a chance to go to heaven by becoming Muslims.

Therefore no matter how well they are treated they will continue to make war on the unbeliever. It is written that it must be so - and so it will be.
Note this is very non-pc. It is also the belief of the vast majority of moderate Muslims in the world - for they will SUBMIT to Islam and the Imam who will make the laws..

It is incredibly rare for any Muslim to go against the commands of an Imam.

I recommend one to get a copy (the Koran) and actually read it. It is not blasphemy as a Christain to read up on other religions.

It also would be helpful to understand that the Mulim faith as a whole is still in the 14'th centurey. That allows the various regional religious leaders to maintain control over their people and promote their individual political agendas.

Anyone here who has done one or more tours of duty in the middle east will tell you that it is VERY different from what we are used to.

My non - pc thoughts are mine and mine alone. The quotes are direct from the Daewood translated Koran.

Your stupid question - by the way there are no stupid questions - may or may not have been answered. But this may at least be a start.

B.C.
 

Broke Cowboy

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reader (the Second) wrote:


It's a good translation of the Qur'an. These are fair citations and fair points. On the other hand, there is a history of Muslims living with other religions in North Africa and the Middle East, with cities being divided into quarters (e.g., Jerusalem was divided into Christian Armenian, Christian Catholic, Jewish, Muslim quarters).

For those of us like me who have met hundreds of Arabs, the vast majority of which are secular, and lived in two Arab cities (Cairo and Jerusalem) and have read the Qur'an and studied the history of Islam, what you have written describes a subset and a growing subset of Islam. There has been a change in the last 30 years. Radical Islam has been growing, funded by Saudi Arabia and being exported through Saudi imams all over the Muslim world. When you talk 14th century, you are talking too modern, since the Salafis want to go back to the time of Muhammad and shortly thereafter.

You could say similar things about Mormons by the way (no offense please) who are quite suspicious and closed to non-Mormons. And similar things about other fundamentalist religious sects.

The Crusades, the Inquisition are examples of another great world religion setting forth to convert, enslave, or kill the infidels. The difference is that not ALL Muslims, nor even the majority, believe in a Holy War against all other faiths. In countries like Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood is a small but dangerous minority who were rooted out and imprisoned or executed by the government who despises these beliefs.

The Gulf is more fundamentalist but North Africa, Egypt, the Levant, and even Iraq were not like this.

I expected you to turn up - pretty fast young lady! :D

Your history of living together is true - but since 1945 this has changed - and will continue to go downhill rapidly. Jerusalem hangs by a thread every day. The Palestinians will see it destroyed to see Isreal fall.

Every day in Jerusalem is a day that could go from peace and tranquility to riots and death in a heartbeat. Neighbours are no longer as friendly as once upon a time.

This can also be applied to international neighbours as well as those who live down the street.

North Africa is no longer a happy place - as evidenced by the Islamic / Christain wars. The Christians in the Sudan are now on the endangered list as they are hunted relentlessly by the Muslims - over 2 million killed.

Libya is not a happy place despite the fact that Muamar has made overtures to the western world.

Algeria is certainly going downhill as well. As an example that I am familiar with - a good friend was involved - December of 1997 - Approximately 400 people in isolated villages in the Relizane region were killed by Islamic extremists on the first night of Ramadan. Most of the victims had their throats cut or were beheaded.

I am of the opinion the subset you talk about is now a majority in many parts of the Arab world - and Egypt is about to take a turn for the worse. The bombings will continue - get worse and the government will experience a serious problem maintianing control. In fact I would not be surprized to see it fall within the next 10 years. I would not recommend touring that part of the world - although it has certainly been ongoing despite the troubles.

Cairo is a busness centre and therefore a handy place for Mulsims to get cash for "things". On the other hand you really do not want to announce you are a Christian in villages outside the Aswan today - you may very well not sleep in peace that night. Watch for far more serious acrimony there within the next few years - the moderates will be in trouble as the size of the radical groups grows.

Saudi kings and princes are exporting lots of money in order to shore up their own regime. But, there are training camps in almost all of the North African countries and as I said - the moderate will rarely go against the radical. They will join in because the Koran commands them to.

As for my time frame you are quite correct - the farther back the people can be taken, the happier many will be. Guns can control spears very easily.

While I am not Moromon - the one thing that distinguishes all North American and / or western religions is tolerance. Tolerance no longer exists in many parts of the Muslim world and it is increasingly becoming hard line.

My contacts in the Australian Defence Forces tell me they are VERY aware of this due to the closeness of one of the largest Muslim countries in the world to their northern shores. They are nervous.

There is no move afoot to make war on each other when it comes to western religions. Not so with the Muslim communities. There is but one religion and world domination is the goal.

The Koran enforces the idea that all Muslims are one community, regardless of their national, language, or other loyalties.

Sura 3:104

"Let there become of you a community that shall call for righteousness, enjoin justice, and forbid evil. Such men will surely triumph." (Daewood)

"And there may spring from you a nation who invite to goodness, and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency. Such are they who are successful." (Pickthall)

During Ramadam "the Koranic verse that 'all Muslims are brothers and do not create differences among [their] brothers' is repeated from the pulpits several times a day."



In my opinion, as a whole, the most dangerous group of people in the world today.

B.C.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
My last trip to Egypt was in 2002....and eventhough it is a wonderful place....and full of nice wonderful Muslim people...I'm afraid it will be MANY MANY years before I'm able to return.

It was such an odd feeling on this last trip to be Western/Occiental in an Eastern/Oriental world. Everyone...even the average shop keepers were suspicious of you...acting indifferent to your purchasing something from them. And if ANYONE knows anything about Egypt...yrs ago they LOVE your American $$$ & in a heartbeat be begging for your business left and right of you. Not true now!

Religion has been responsible for more deaths world wide since time began , more than anything else on the planet.
 

RoperAB

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My dumb question
Since it would seem that most muslim countrys who say they are our friends are not really our friends, example Saudi Arabia.
Since these muslim countrys contribute basically nothing except oil and then take the money raised by oil sales to fund our enemys.
Why dont we allow Israel to get involved in the war?
 

CattleRMe

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I think it is disturbing to see any dead on television. If from natural disaster the or the hand of others it all sickens my stomach. Plus I have to agree with the few others who thought the whole boob thing was ick too!

I still recall the sight of the towers from 9/11 and knowing people were going down with them. :cry:
 

IL Rancher

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Reader, not saying it is an image I like being burned in my memory but that,, the first tower going down and the second plane hitting live on NBC are three of the 5 most vivid images of the day for me. 4 being Airforce one flying overhead without another plane (except the escorts) in the sky and 5) that night with no planes in the sky was just something strange...

But yes, just horrifying thinking that the best choice was jumping... just unimaginable. I don't like seeing dead bodies or people dying.... Just god awful is that image of people falling..
 
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