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Tammy- Why are you concerned in a US labeling law- you left the US 30 years ago?

Except, like the Columbian drug lords, you are afraid you will lose your big free ride on the US gravy train if truth and integrity prevail....
 

agman

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Sandhusker said:
It's not comparable Sandbag!

SHbag, "Walmart is not implying that hormone free beef is safer than regular beef. In the case of Japan, if they buy bse tested beef, they believe it's safer than non tested beef and that is not necessarily the case."

And people who buy hormone free from Walmart believe it is saver, which also is not necessarily the case.

You're hog-tied, you're pinned, you're buried. This has been fun and waaaay tooooo eeeeeeasy.

Where and when has Wal-Mart ADVERTISED hormone free beef as being safer? They just started to offer some Natural product. I have never seen an ad from them that suggests it is safer than conventional beef.

If people who buy hormone free beef feel it is safer than conventional beef that is their prerogative. That is vastly different from Wal-Mart advertising that hormone free beef is safer as you claim.
 

Sandhusker

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Agman, "Where and when has Wal-Mart ADVERTISED hormone free beef as being safer?"

I give up, where and when did they?

Have you grown the nards to tell us who this group that you're part of that is going to make money bypassing US producers consists of yet?
 

Tam

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Tommy said:
Tam...there are Half-wits in R-CALF'S ORGANIZATION namely YOU SANDHUSKER


Very classy Tam! :???:

I agree with an R-CALFer once and look what happens. :wink: No I guess it wasn't classy to agree with Sandhusker but even he can't be wrong all the time. You have to throw him a bone every ones in awhile to keep his spirits up :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

agman

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Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Where and when has Wal-Mart ADVERTISED hormone free beef as being safer?"

I give up, where and when did they?

Have you grown the nards to tell us who this group that you're part of that is going to make money bypassing US producers consists of yet?

Why would you want me to show eveidence of a CLAIM YOU made? I guess you are the only one who is hog tied in your own fabrication of events! You showed no proof to back your statement you just diverted the question back to me. That type of response or should I say "non-reponse and or diversion" has become habit forming for you.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tammy- Why are you concerned in a US labeling law- you left the US 30 years ago?

Except, like the Columbian drug lords, you are afraid you will lose your big free ride on the US gravy train if truth and integrity prevail....


As long as you think you have the right to blame all Canadian producers for the fraudulent work of your countrymen (ie- your local butcher) with comments like these


when Canadian producers even think that your product won't sell with legitimate labeling on it and without putting on the USDA inspected label and passing off as US beef.....Sad day for Canadian cattlemen

that the US retailers have to remove the Canadian markings, restamp with a USDA stamp and pass off as USDA product to move it....Don't you agree that is sad ?

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

And Canadians will continue to go right along with it as long as its scheckels in their pockets...Part of a huge deception on the consumers...

Doesn't it just burn you a little tho Tammy to know that your product can't even be marketed, if properly labeled ? That they have to pass it off as US to sell it

they have sadly become profiting co-conspirators in the fraud....They have a very solid motive for never seeing that consumers are told the truth- and its all financial.... Canadian beef

This financial motive- and Canadas lack of any legitimate export market outside the US makes most Canadians arguments against truth in labeling and our M-COOL law dubious if not outright deceitful in intent...

Its the fraud thats being used and the Canadian and multinational industries free ride on the shirttails of what the US producer has worked so hard to build,

If Canadians really felt they had a "reputation" product they should be screaming for M-COOL and to have thier product labeled Product of Canada, rather than fighting to keep their product sold under false labeling and fraudulent practices......Looks like Canadians have no pride or confidence in what they produce....

I'm sorry Canadians coconspiracy in defrauding consumers is so embarrassing and hurts so bad

Canada is/ has been riding on the shirttails of the industry the US cattle producer built and are afraid to stand alone...Even in the post above Rod admits that Canada is afraid to openly and fairly compete - so instead you have had to count on fraud and deception in order to market your product....Sad... Sad

but I am anti Canadians that want to promote deception and fraud for financial profit....
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That you would rather go along with lying to and deceiving consumers than openly proclaiming what your product is... If Canadas beef is safe or safer- if its truly a premium product-- its something you need to sell to the consumers and customers- in the open- not sneak around and continue to be the bastard child hiding in the closet...

And my personal favorites
I'm aware of whos' doing the false labeling...But I'm also aware that Canadian producers are profiting from this fraud and that is the reason I take any of their arguments against any truth in labeling laws and M-COOL with very low credibility....

Since you think you can call us, profiting co-conspirators, outright deceitful, free riders on your shirttails, the bastard child hiding in the closet and claim we have no pride in our product All because of the fraudulent acts of your countrymen, I think any and all Canadian Producers should have the right to point out to you that WE HAVE PRIDE IN OUR PRODUCT THAT IS WHY WE ID OUR CATTLE BACK TO BIRTHPLACE AND WE LABEL EVERY BOX OF BEEF LEAVING CANADA. IT'S SOME OF YOUR COUNTRYMEN THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRIDE TO ALLOW ANYONE INCLUDING THE USDA TO KNOW WHERE IN THE US YOUR CATTLE WERE BORN AND RAISED. AND IT'S YOUR COUNTRYMEN THAT ARE TAKING OUR LABELS OFF AS TO MISLEAD YOUR CONSUMERS INTO THINK THAT GREAT TASTING BEEF ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE US WHEN IF FACT IT CAME FROM CANADA. If you don't want us commenting about US label laws then don't blame us for the fraudulent acts of YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER. :x

And Oldtimer where is the Truth and Integrity in spreading an endless stream of fear mongering lies about another country's beef just to distract from the problems within the US beef industry? :? AND Where is the Truth and Integrity in blaming others for something that you are the only one that seems to have witnesses first hand and has done nothing about to protect your neighbors? I wish truth and integrity would prevail as if it did R-CALF would fold faster than a house of card in a wind storm. :wink:

And remember the saying Oldtimer, "When they start attacking you personally rather than attacking the facts, you know you have them by the short hairs as its a sign of desperation." when you reply. Personel attacks show desperation and so does diverting to any comment about shirttails. :wink: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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agman said:
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Where and when has Wal-Mart ADVERTISED hormone free beef as being safer?"

I give up, where and when did they?

Have you grown the nards to tell us who this group that you're part of that is going to make money bypassing US producers consists of yet?

Why would you want me to show eveidence of a CLAIM YOU made? I guess you are the only one who is hog tied in your own fabrication of events! You showed no proof to back your statement you just diverted the question back to me. That type of response or should I say "non-reponse and or diversion" has become habit forming for you.

You need to bring evidence of a claim you think I made because I don't think you know what you're talking about, which certainly woudn't be first. If you don't know how to copy and paste, your little minion does.

Speaking of nonresponses and diversions, why won't you answer who the "we" is, Agman? You don't need to be afraid of revealing where you really stand in this industry, that post said it all.
 

Tam

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BTW Oldtimer nice diversion asking why i'm concerned :wink: now would you like to answer my questions? :?
Oldtimer: Tam- I'm not excusing him- just telling you why he did it (because the Canadian beef will not sell as well if the consumer knows its Canadian)- but could not do anything about it until we got the M-COOL law operating--

If it bugged you enough to blame every packer and Canadian producer for perpetrating this fraud, why didn't you talk to him and ask him to stop relabeling it. And if that didn't work then pull the boxes out of the dumpster and put them at his front door where all his consumers could see them. I doubt all of his consumers go dumpster diving like you do.


Montanans at least will get to know the truth of their meat products origin-
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Oh really will they know if it is Texas beef or Alabama beef or will they know just what R-CALF wants them to know?

And I was advised that the Governor will make sure it is enforced...
. How


And this financial motive that Canadians have in wanting/needing this fraud to continue makes whatever you or any Canadian producer says against COOL very dubious as for credibility......About as credible as a Columbian druglord telling people that coke/crack isn't bad for them-- Both have a financial interest in keeping their operations, no matter how dishonest, operating at the highest income to each...
about as credible as R-CALF at one of their fund raiser. Can't tell the truth as the truth will not fill the coffers will it Oldtimer?


If it wasn't directly inspected by a USDA inspector it shouldn't be able to have a USDA inspected label...
So does a USDA inspector inspect every piece of meat processed in the US? .

Come on Oldtimer don't divert again Sandhusker just hates when people don't answer questions that are asked of them with prompt truthful answers :wink:
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tammy- Why are you concerned in a US labeling law- you left the US 30 years ago?

Except, like the Columbian drug lords, you are afraid you will lose your big free ride on the US gravy train if truth and integrity prevail....


As long as you think you have the right to blame all Canadian producers for the fraudulent work of your countrymen (ie- your local butcher) with comments like these


when Canadian producers even think that your product won't sell with legitimate labeling on it and without putting on the USDA inspected label and passing off as US beef.....Sad day for Canadian cattlemen

that the US retailers have to remove the Canadian markings, restamp with a USDA stamp and pass off as USDA product to move it....Don't you agree that is sad ?

So you think its perfectly OK to defraud consumers and give them the false impression its a US product, when its not- as long as it helps sell YOUR product-eh? Definitely Sad

And Canadians will continue to go right along with it as long as its scheckels in their pockets...Part of a huge deception on the consumers...

Doesn't it just burn you a little tho Tammy to know that your product can't even be marketed, if properly labeled ? That they have to pass it off as US to sell it

they have sadly become profiting co-conspirators in the fraud....They have a very solid motive for never seeing that consumers are told the truth- and its all financial.... Canadian beef

This financial motive- and Canadas lack of any legitimate export market outside the US makes most Canadians arguments against truth in labeling and our M-COOL law dubious if not outright deceitful in intent...

Its the fraud thats being used and the Canadian and multinational industries free ride on the shirttails of what the US producer has worked so hard to build,

If Canadians really felt they had a "reputation" product they should be screaming for M-COOL and to have thier product labeled Product of Canada, rather than fighting to keep their product sold under false labeling and fraudulent practices......Looks like Canadians have no pride or confidence in what they produce....

I'm sorry Canadians coconspiracy in defrauding consumers is so embarrassing and hurts so bad

Canada is/ has been riding on the shirttails of the industry the US cattle producer built and are afraid to stand alone...Even in the post above Rod admits that Canada is afraid to openly and fairly compete - so instead you have had to count on fraud and deception in order to market your product....Sad... Sad

but I am anti Canadians that want to promote deception and fraud for financial profit....
.
That you would rather go along with lying to and deceiving consumers than openly proclaiming what your product is... If Canadas beef is safe or safer- if its truly a premium product-- its something you need to sell to the consumers and customers- in the open- not sneak around and continue to be the bastard child hiding in the closet...

And my personal favorites
I'm aware of whos' doing the false labeling...But I'm also aware that Canadian producers are profiting from this fraud and that is the reason I take any of their arguments against any truth in labeling laws and M-COOL with very low credibility....

And every one of them is true- I stand behind every one...You and the multinational packers are profitting off a fraud being perpetrated and kept alive by the multinational packers, because they can't sell your beef unless it is passed off as a US product to the US consumers--- and since you (Canadians) want to keep selling beef, you unquestionably support the continuance of this sham on consumers- and challenge any action to change it...And because of this fraud Canadian beef has lost all identity it had...

Since you think you can call us, profiting co-conspirators, outright deceitful, free riders on your shirttails, the bastard child hiding in the closet and claim we have no pride in our product All because of the fraudulent acts of your countrymen, I think any and all Canadian Producers should have the right to point out to you that WE HAVE PRIDE IN OUR PRODUCT THAT IS WHY WE ID OUR CATTLE BACK TO BIRTHPLACE AND WE LABEL EVERY BOX OF BEEF LEAVING CANADA. IT'S SOME OF YOUR COUNTRYMEN THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRIDE TO ALLOW ANYONE INCLUDING THE USDA TO KNOW WHERE IN THE US YOUR CATTLE WERE BORN AND RAISED. AND IT'S YOUR COUNTRYMEN THAT ARE TAKING OUR LABELS OFF AS TO MISLEAD YOUR CONSUMERS INTO THINK THAT GREAT TASTING BEEF ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE US WHEN IF FACT IT CAME FROM CANADA. If you don't want us commenting about US label laws then don't blame us for the fraudulent acts of YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER. :x

Tam- WHY DO THE PACKERS/RETAILERS GO THRU THE TROUBLE OF REMOVING THE MARKINGS FROM THAT BEEF AND RELABELING? Because over the past 12 years of NAFTA the Canadians shirttailing has allowed the multinationals to destroy any identity that Canadian beef ever had...If you can't see that, you aren't looking...In order to build your Canadian cattle industry bigger you sold out your identity in order to get on those US cattlemans shirttails....And it appears from your whining that you're just as happy as a pig in sh*t with it as long as you are profiting....Kind of like those Columbians- they don't care what happens or what laws are broken or bent- as long as they are profiting :(

And Oldtimer where is the Truth and Integrity in spreading an endless stream of fear mongering lies about another country's beef just to distract from the problems within the US beef industry? :? AND Where is the Truth and Integrity in blaming others for something that you are the only one that seems to have witnesses first hand and has done nothing about to protect your neighbors? I wish truth and integrity would prevail as if it did R-CALF would fold faster than a house of card in a wind storm. :wink:

And remember the saying Oldtimer, "When they start attacking you personally rather than attacking the facts, you know you have them by the short hairs as its a sign of desperation." when you reply. Personel attacks show desperation and so does diverting to any comment about shirttails. :wink: :lol:

I agree-- Your getting almost as bad as ~SH~ in your divertion and namecalling :wink:
 
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Tam said:
BTW Oldtimer nice diversion asking why i'm concerned :wink: now would you like to answer my questions? :?
Oldtimer: Tam- I'm not excusing him- just telling you why he did it (because the Canadian beef will not sell as well if the consumer knows its Canadian)- but could not do anything about it until we got the M-COOL law operating--

If it bugged you enough to blame every packer and Canadian producer for perpetrating this fraud, why didn't you talk to him and ask him to stop relabeling it. And if that didn't work then pull the boxes out of the dumpster and put them at his front door where all his consumers could see them. I doubt all of his consumers go dumpster diving like you do.


Actually Tammy your whining rants are so long, that just like sh's I skip over half the junk.....I did talk with him- and he was honest with me... He admitted he was doing it because if he labeled it Canadian it would not sell as good- and he would not be able to compete, especially since the chain store refused to admit they even have Canadian beef (they have an incinerator and incinerate their boxes :roll: )....Right now he is not violating any law- just morally wrong...But next month that will change....

At least he admits he is profiting from the deception- you won't even do that......


Montanans at least will get to know the truth of their meat products origin-
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Oh really will they know if it is Texas beef or Alabama beef or will they know just what R-CALF wants them to know?

Around here if you mention BSE or Mad Cow disease you'll probably get the following response "Oh thats that Canadian cow disease isn't it"...Monthly articles of all the new cases found have educated the Montana public to the seriousness of your problem...

And I was advised that the Governor will make sure it is enforced...
. How

With the enforcement penalties written in the law...And actually I got the impression he would like nothing better than a court challenge so he could take this national and make it a media issue....He kind of likes to be in front of the cameras- and is eyeing himself for a national move, so would like nothing better than a national scam against consumers to champion for....


And this financial motive that Canadians have in wanting/needing this fraud to continue makes whatever you or any Canadian producer says against COOL very dubious as for credibility......About as credible as a Columbian druglord telling people that coke/crack isn't bad for them-- Both have a financial interest in keeping their operations, no matter how dishonest, operating at the highest income to each...
about as credible as R-CALF at one of their fund raiser. Can't tell the truth as the truth will not fill the coffers will it Oldtimer?

Tam- Which fund raiser did you attend that there was a credibility problem ?



If it wasn't directly inspected by a USDA inspector it shouldn't be able to have a USDA inspected label...
So does a USDA inspector inspect every piece of meat processed in the US? .

My understanding is that every animal slaughtered in a USDA inspected plant has to be looked at by a USDA inspector......

Come on Oldtimer don't divert again Sandhusker just hates when people don't answer questions that are asked of them with prompt truthful answers :wink:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
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And every one of them is true- I stand behind every one...You and the multinational packers are profitting off a fraud being perpetrated and kept alive by the multinational packers, because they can't sell your beef unless it is passed off as a US product to the US consumers--- and since you (Canadians) want to keep selling beef, you unquestionably support the continuance of this sham on consumers- and challenge any action to change it...And because of this fraud Canadian beef has lost all identity it had...

DO tell Oldtimer who is really prepetrating this fraud?
Who is taking the labels off Oldtimer? Canadian producers or YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER
Have you done anything about it by bitch on ranchers?
Do SSAP and I have to come down to Glasgow and talk to the bad man for you? :cry:
Come on Oldtimer what have you done to stop the injustice of this whole sorted affair? :cry2:


Tam- WHY DO THE PACKERS/RETAILERS GO THRU THE TROUBLE OF REMOVING THE MARKINGS FROM THAT BEEF AND RELABELING? Because over the past 12 years of NAFTA the Canadians shirttailing has allowed the multinationals to destroy any identity that Canadian beef ever had...If you can't see that, you aren't looking...In order to build your Canadian cattle industry bigger you sold out your identity in order to get on those US cattlemans shirttails....And it appears from your whining that you're just as happy as a pig in sh*t with it as long as you are profiting....Kind of like those Columbians- they don't care what happens or what laws are broken or bent- as long as they are profiting :(
Are there laws being broken or bent by relabeling it with a label that states it was USDA INSPECTED Oldtimer? If so who is actually bending or breaking them Is it Canadian producers or YOUR COUNTRYMEN. Please provide a copy of the law that states the "USDA Inspected" label is not to appear on meat that the has passed an inspection of USDA standards.

And one might say that over the passed 12 years the US has been living off the backs of the Canadian producers by using Canadian beef to shore up their dewindling supply so you could build your high dollar Asian export markets and still feed your domestic market beef at a price they could afford!!! And one might also say the US beef industry did it by taking the labels off the product we ship to you, so US consumers didn't know that were being scammed on behalf of the prized Asian export markets. You wouldn't want the US consumers to know they were eating imported while you were exporting your best beef over seas to countries that were willing to pay more would you Oldtimer? But I guess that fraud is OK with the US producers as long as their beef is sold to the high dollar markets in Asian?


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I agree-- Your getting almost as bad as ~SH~ in your divertion and namecalling[/b] :wink:
Gee Oldtimer who is diverting the blame of your local butchers action off onto Canadian producers by calling us the bastard child, profiting co-conspiritor,outright deceitful or free riders. All while you and your countrymen sell our beef to your consumers just so you can keep your beef for the high dollar export markets without ever telling the US consumer.
 
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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
TAM-- Label it all, let the consumer decide....

Am I detecting weariness? :lol: :lol:

Kind of like talking morality and right and wrong with Bill Clinton- both can rationalize the correctness of everything in their minds- and when they can't they blame it on a political (R-CALF) conspiracy thats out to get them..... :wink: :lol:
 

Tam

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Actually Tammy your whining rants are so long, that just like sh's I skip over half the junk.....
This coming from a guy that has posted 5234 post and half of them are R-CALF crap that takes about 3 second to see that it is a lie only ment to destroy consumer confidence in the Canadian beef industry and the other half is diverting to shirttails .

I did talk with him- and he was honest with me... He admitted he was doing it because if he labeled it Canadian it would not sell as good- and he would not be able to compete, especially since the chain store refused to admit they even have Canadian beef (they have an incinerator and incinerate their boxes :roll: )....Right now he is not violating any law- just morally wrong...But next month that will change....

At least he admits he is profiting from the deception- you won't even do that.
So just because he admits he is profiting by this fraud you choose to blame us instead of making him come clean with his consumers. What is wrong Oldtimer getting soft in your old age I thought the truth meant something to old law men. :wink:
Was he honest about why he thought it wouldn't sell as well Oldtimer? Was it because of all the bad mouthing R-CALF has done in attempts to keeping the border closed to import trade?


Around here if you mention BSE or Mad Cow disease you'll probably get the following response "Oh thats that Canadian cow disease isn't it"...Monthly articles of all the new cases found have educated the Montana public to the seriousness of your problem.
You claim to care about the truth have you told them that the US also has BSE in their native herd And that US beef also presents a genuine risk of death if eaten by humans Oldtimer? or do you just let them believe the truth according to R-CALF? That being the US raises the Safest Beef in the World to the highest standards in the Wolrd and no need to worry as we have firewalls to protect you.


With the enforcement penalties written in the law...And actually I got the impression he would like nothing better than a court challenge so he could take this national and make it a media issue....He kind of likes to be in front of the cameras- and is eyeing himself for a national move, so would like nothing better than a national scam against consumers to champion for
....
He sounds alot like Leo and Bill. Maybe he should join up with an anti beef group as according to Leo they attract lots of media attention :wink: I bet they would even help him go after the bigger scam that is being perpetrated on the US consumers. The one that claims "Everyday U.S. cattle producers bring you the safest beef in the World" Shouldn't be to hard to prove when they have the Washington Post ad advertizing the safety and the Montana Federal Court documents stating any beef coming from a country affected with BSE presents a GENUINE RISK OF DEATH. Throw in Phyllis's findings and a key witness from Nebraska to the fact that A certain Beef organizations past Pres. doesn't even think the US standards are as high as Canada's. and it should be a slam dunk with lots of Media to cover the whole court proceedings :wink: Why bother with a little label when you can grab the head lines with " Montana Governor cleans up on a US Beef Organization for lieing to the media about the safety of US Beef" Maybe for an extra bonus he could investigate the dealings of an ex law man that over looks fraud in the names of competition.




Tam- Which fund raiser did you attend that there was a credibility problem ?
Well Oldtimer I have the ICON meeting via the internet on cassette and from what I heard Leo filled those people so full of crap they would not have had to eat for a week. Statements like "Canada processes downers and the US doesn't" BULL we can't even haul them to be slaughtered for our own use at the local butcher shop let alone to a packing plant. Were any of our positives in a slaughter house or just out side the doors of one? NO But where was the Washington cow and where was the Texas cow Oldtimer? And if the US doesn't process downers then why is the USDA looking to slaughter houses for 4D test samples? 4D doesn't stand for Delightful, Delicious, Delectable and Dreamy :wink:
Then there is the famous "we have these firewalls in place" statement that even Leo has to admit was a lie if he has, according to Sandhusker, been asking for stronger firewalls now that you have BSE.
Add to that the comment about "If BSE is found in the US the US as a beef producing nation shouldn't market beef from cattle over 20 months", OH I guess that one wouldn't have raised much money once the producers in the crowd realized what that would cost them. :wink: I guess that is why Dennis didn't present a resolution to the fact to your membership. :roll: But it does go to the credibility of some of your leaders doesn't it Oldtimer? :?



My understanding is that every animal slaughtered in a USDA inspected plant has to be looked at by a USDA inspector.....
So then the Canadian cattle that are imported and slaughtered at USDA inspected plants would qualify to have the USDA INSPECTED label just like the US cattle? Add to that what Mike posted
To his credit, Bill Clinton signed legislation in the 90's to completely disallow imported meat that not passed inspection at any one import station.
So if this is true and Bill did sign legislation to this affect then all meat imported is also inspected at import stations. Does that not cover all the imported cattle and meat. So how can you say it doesn't qualify to carry the USDA INSPECTED label?
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
TAM-- Label it all, let the consumer decide....

Am I detecting weariness? :lol: :lol:

Kind of like talking morality and right and wrong with Bill Clinton- both can rationalize the correctness of everything in their minds- and when they can't they blame it on a political (R-CALF) conspiracy thats out to get them..... :wink: :lol:

First we do label ours Oldtimer it is your industry that takes the label off and passes it off as US Beef so your consumers don't know you can't supply them with their beef needs at a price they can afford NOT US. Great example of the US beef industry living off the backs of the Canadian producers I'd say. :wink:

And look at your comparison Oldtimer :roll: talking about when they can't rationalize something they blame others, who is blameing the Canadian producer for the actions of his countrymen? You thats who. If you want your consumers to know where their beef comes from make YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER LEAVE THE LABELS ON. Or stand out on the street in front of his shop with a sign that reads THIS SHOP SELLS CANADIAN BEEF. maybe you could even recycle the Product of Canada boxes into your picket signs Oldtimer. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
agman said:
Sandhusker said:
Agman, "Where and when has Wal-Mart ADVERTISED hormone free beef as being safer?"

I give up, where and when did they?

Have you grown the nards to tell us who this group that you're part of that is going to make money bypassing US producers consists of yet?

Why would you want me to show eveidence of a CLAIM YOU made? I guess you are the only one who is hog tied in your own fabrication of events! You showed no proof to back your statement you just diverted the question back to me. That type of response or should I say "non-reponse and or diversion" has become habit forming for you.

You need to bring evidence of a claim you think I made because I don't think you know what you're talking about, which certainly woudn't be first. If you don't know how to copy and paste, your little minion does.

Speaking of nonresponses and diversions, why won't you answer who the "we" is, Agman? You don't need to be afraid of revealing where you really stand in this industry, that post said it all.

Are you hog tied, or what's taking so much time to reply? Is it in trying to find that ghost quote or making an updated list of your compadres who are going to make more money bypassing the domestic producers?

Feeling a little foolish?
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Am I detecting weariness? :lol: :lol:

Kind of like talking morality and right and wrong with Bill Clinton- both can rationalize the correctness of everything in their minds- and when they can't they blame it on a political (R-CALF) conspiracy thats out to get them..... :wink: :lol:

First we do label ours Oldtimer it is your industry that takes the label off and passes it off as US Beef so your consumers don't know you can't supply them with their beef needs at a price they can afford NOT US. Great example of the US beef industry living off the backs of the Canadian producers I'd say. :wink:

And look at your comparison Oldtimer :roll: talking about when they can't rationalize something they blame others, who is blameing the Canadian producer for the actions of his countrymen? You thats who. If you want your consumers to know where their beef comes from make YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER LEAVE THE LABELS ON. Or stand out on the street in front of his shop with a sign that reads THIS SHOP SELLS CANADIAN BEEF. maybe you could even recycle the Product of Canada boxes into your picket signs Oldtimer. :roll:

Any way you word it Tam and try to rationalize it your mind- comes back to the same thing...Canada does not have a beef industry anymore-Canada does not have a cattle industry anymore-- they sold it out and are now at the graces of the multinational Corporates- and in doing so have sold out the identity of Canadian beef and Canadian cattle.... If the USDA hadn't been bought out by these multinationals who are profiting off the labeling scam, and got all the BSE rules specially changed for these Packers you would still be selling $50 calves and $30 fats ....Doesn't that give you a secure feeling that you live or die on the whims of US politics/ the whims and profit margin of the imports the multinationals can access- which are all decided by politics :???: ....

Like I said its a sad day for Canadian producers that in their effort for instant expansion and profiteering- they sold out any identity for their beef that they had worked long term to build-- and now it has to be falsely labeled in order to be marketed in the US....With the backlash revolt against globlization taking hold within the US, Canadian cattlemen could not only be left riding on the shirttails of the US cattle industry, but sucking the hind teat while doing it.......
 

don

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oldtimer you and sandhusker keep spouting the same propaganda in hope that if you say it often enough people will start to think it's true. might work for some politicians but you guys just look less credible as time goes by and you keep saying the same incredible crap.
 

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