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Deliberate Sabotage?

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker said:
agman said:
Why would you want me to show eveidence of a CLAIM YOU made? I guess you are the only one who is hog tied in your own fabrication of events! You showed no proof to back your statement you just diverted the question back to me. That type of response or should I say "non-reponse and or diversion" has become habit forming for you.

You need to bring evidence of a claim you think I made because I don't think you know what you're talking about, which certainly woudn't be first. If you don't know how to copy and paste, your little minion does.

Speaking of nonresponses and diversions, why won't you answer who the "we" is, Agman? You don't need to be afraid of revealing where you really stand in this industry, that post said it all.

Are you hog tied, or what's taking so much time to reply? Is it in trying to find that ghost quote or making an updated list of your compadres who are going to make more money bypassing the domestic producers?

Feeling a little foolish?

And here I thought you were implying a nonresponse was a bad thing.... :lol:
 

mwj

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Oldtimer is your next answer to Tam going to be that your local butcher moved to Montana from Canada :p :roll: Have you been telling any of your friends about him? Maybe you could help the poor guy find some local beef. I sure would not want my friends or family to think I would withold such vital information from them :oops: This is making me think you don't care for the wellbeing of your own neighbors even after having helda place of respect in the comunity!
 
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mwj said:
Oldtimer is your next answer to Tam going to be that your local butcher moved to Montana from Canada :p :roll: Have you been telling any of your friends about him? Maybe you could help the poor guy find some local beef. I sure would not want my friends or family to think I would withold such vital information from them :oops: This is making me think you don't care for the wellbeing of your own neighbors even after having helda place of respect in the comunity!

Kind of funny- I think his first wife was a Canadian- who also up and deserted him and left him to raise their kids.... :wink:

mwj- A lot of those consumers were awakened after the Canadian border closure - and I helped get the truth out to many over the years- many of which asked last years Montana legislature to give Montana a M-COOL law even if the rest of the country remained in the dark...And as of next month that law will require that all retailers tell the truth. :D

I think I've done my part to support USA raised beef.....
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
mwj said:
Oldtimer is your next answer to Tam going to be that your local butcher moved to Montana from Canada :p :roll: Have you been telling any of your friends about him? Maybe you could help the poor guy find some local beef. I sure would not want my friends or family to think I would withold such vital information from them :oops: This is making me think you don't care for the wellbeing of your own neighbors even after having helda place of respect in the comunity!

Kind of funny- I think his first wife was a Canadian- who also up and deserted him and left him to raise their kids.... :wink:

mwj- A lot of those consumers were awakened after the Canadian border closure - and I helped get the truth out to many over the years- many of which asked last years Montana legislature to give Montana a M-COOL law even if the rest of the country remained in the dark...And as of next month that law will require that all retailers tell the truth. :D

I think I've done my part to support USA raised beef.....[/quote]

YOU help get the truth out :wink: :lol2: What truth Oldtimer the R-CALF truth? :? And by supporting do you mean bad mouthing our beef so yours doesn't look so bad? :shock: Cause if you had really got the truth out about your loophole filled firewalls I'd have to wonder if the consumers would trust yours over ours. :?
BTW Oldtimer I didn't see an answer to the question so again HAVE YOU BEEN TELLING GLASGOW CONSUMERS ABOUT THIS GUY RELABELING CANADIAN BEEF AND PASSING IT OFF AS US BEEF???? They make have been awakened but are they or have you awakened them to the fact of what this guy is doing?
 

RobertMac

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Tam, why aren't you and Canadian beef orgs raising he!! with Tyson and Cargill to keep your beef labeled as "Product of Canada" when sold in the USA?????????????????????????????
The silence is deafening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Sorry Tammy- I know this is traumatic for you that someone finally tells you the truth--- Sorry, if this is all hurting you so bad...Like I said it is sad that you helped sell out the Canadian industry so far that they are to a point where the product you raise has to be relabeled and sold for something other than it is- so you can make a profit.......But that is what is happening...No one even knows there is such a thing as Canadian beef- because its not seen or heard about (unless their is another CFIA BSE announcement).....
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
Tam, why aren't you and Canadian beef orgs raising he!! with Tyson and Cargill to keep your beef labeled as "Product of Canada" when sold in the USA?????????????????????????????
The silence is deafening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't you hear RM it isn't Tyson and Cargill it is Oldtimer's Local butcher taking the labels off and dumping the boxes in plain sight of the dumpster diving Oldtimer? :wink:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Sorry Tammy- I know this is traumatic for you that someone finally tells you the truth--- Sorry, if this is all hurting you so bad...Like I said it is sad that you helped sell out the Canadian industry so far that they are to a point where the product you raise has to be relabeled and sold for something other than it is- so you can make a profit.......But that is what is happening...No one even knows there is such a thing as Canadian beef- because its not seen or heard about (unless their is another CFIA BSE announcement).....
Geez getting an answer to a question out of you is about as hard as it is out of Sandhusker do they teach you that in the R-CALF brain washing school? Just stop diverting and answer the question.
HAVE YOU BEEN TELLING GLASGOW CONSUMERS ABOUT THIS GUY RELABELING CANADIAN BEEF AND PASSING IT OFF AS US BEEF???? Or are you letting him get away with it in the name of competition?
 

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker said:
You need to bring evidence of a claim you think I made because I don't think you know what you're talking about, which certainly woudn't be first. If you don't know how to copy and paste, your little minion does.

Speaking of nonresponses and diversions, why won't you answer who the "we" is, Agman? You don't need to be afraid of revealing where you really stand in this industry, that post said it all.

Are you hog tied, or what's taking so much time to reply? Is it in trying to find that ghost quote or making an updated list of your compadres who are going to make more money bypassing the domestic producers?

Feeling a little foolish?

And here I thought you were implying a nonresponse was a bad thing.... :lol:

What's up, Agman? Being kind of nonresponsive, aren't you? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Sorry Tammy- I know this is traumatic for you that someone finally tells you the truth--- Sorry, if this is all hurting you so bad...Like I said it is sad that you helped sell out the Canadian industry so far that they are to a point where the product you raise has to be relabeled and sold for something other than it is- so you can make a profit.......But that is what is happening...No one even knows there is such a thing as Canadian beef- because its not seen or heard about (unless their is another CFIA BSE announcement).....
Geez getting an answer to a question out of you is about as hard as it is out of Sandhusker do they teach you that in the R-CALF brain washing school? Just stop diverting and answer the question.
HAVE YOU BEEN TELLING GLASGOW CONSUMERS ABOUT THIS GUY RELABELING CANADIAN BEEF AND PASSING IT OFF AS US BEEF???? Or are you letting him get away with it in the name of competition?

Tam yes, I've been telling any I talk with about the sham the multinationals/ retailers and Canadians are pulling on them with their little conspiracy and fraud...I got a great deal of help from a local retired school teacher- State Senator who was one of the cosponsors of the Montana COOL law...Then BSE, the border fiasco, and the Canadian mad cow of the month announcement has educated some too...

And you have to remember Tam- the pre BSE beef was not coming in in marked boxes- it was swinging beef- that the only way you could tell if it was Canuck was the CFIA meat stamp on the carcass.....

And actually Tam- since some people found out they could be getting stuck with high risk Canuck beef with the reopening of the border, I think this butchers commercial slaughtering business increased....Rather than play Russian roulette with if/where someone removed the markings, many more went back to buying quarters, halves straight off the farm....Even another commercial slaughterer started into business-- all are quite busy-- and I now hear the local feedlots advertising local raised beef ....
 

RobertMac

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Tam said:
RobertMac said:
Tam, why aren't you and Canadian beef orgs raising he!! with Tyson and Cargill to keep your beef labeled as "Product of Canada" when sold in the USA?????????????????????????????
The silence is deafening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't you hear RM it isn't Tyson and Cargill it is Oldtimer's Local butcher taking the labels off and dumping the boxes in plain sight of the dumpster diving Oldtimer? :wink:

I take your answer to mean you are satisfied being an anonymous beef producers and don't care that Canadian beef is relabeled. All your claims of superior Canadian beef ring hollow when labeled Canadian beef can't be found!!!!! :(
 

Bill

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RobertMac said:
Tam said:
RobertMac said:
Tam, why aren't you and Canadian beef orgs raising he!! with Tyson and Cargill to keep your beef labeled as "Product of Canada" when sold in the USA?????????????????????????????
The silence is deafening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't you hear RM it isn't Tyson and Cargill it is Oldtimer's Local butcher taking the labels off and dumping the boxes in plain sight of the dumpster diving Oldtimer? :wink:

I take your answer to mean you are satisfied being an anonymous beef producers and don't care that Canadian beef is relabeled. All your claims of superior Canadian beef ring hollow when labeled Canadian beef can't be found!!!!! :(
Why don't you simply label your beef as American?
 

RobertMac

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Bill said:
RobertMac said:
Tam said:
Didn't you hear RM it isn't Tyson and Cargill it is Oldtimer's Local butcher taking the labels off and dumping the boxes in plain sight of the dumpster diving Oldtimer? :wink:

I take your answer to mean you are satisfied being an anonymous beef producers and don't care that Canadian beef is relabeled. All your claims of superior Canadian beef ring hollow when labeled Canadian beef can't be found!!!!! :(
Why don't you simply label your beef as American?

I label it "MADE IN MISSISSIPPI, USA" Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Bill

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RobertMac said:
Bill said:
RobertMac said:
I take your answer to mean you are satisfied being an anonymous beef producers and don't care that Canadian beef is relabeled. All your claims of superior Canadian beef ring hollow when labeled Canadian beef can't be found!!!!! :(
Why don't you simply label your beef as American?

I label it "MADE IN MISSISSIPPI, USA" Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good for you. So there are some R-Calf members who raise Beef's.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "There's no difference, SH. Your "deception" arguement fails."

THERE'S NO COMPARISON!

If Creekstone was allowed to sell "BSE TESTED" beef, consumers would buy it under the false impression that "BSE TESTED" meant "BSE FREE". "BSE TESTED" implies "BSE FREE" but it's not "BSE FREE" because bse prions are not detectable in cattle under 24 months of age with the tests Creekstone planned to use. CREEKSTONE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO "BSE TEST" CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE BECAUSE
"BSE TESTING" IS CONSUMER FRAUD WHEN THOSE TESTS WILL NOT REVEAL BSE PRIONS.


Creekstone admitted that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" but they sure as hell weren't going to put that on the package or that would have defeated their entire purpose of deceiving Japanese consumers.

If "BSE TESTED" doesn't imply "BSE FREE", then there is no reason to test or sell the image of testing.

In the case of "ORGANIC", "ORGANIC" implies free of implants and free of antibiotic residue. That is exactly what it is. There is no implication that it is safer.

Could it be safer than regular beef? YES! If some producers are not properly adhering to the labels on antibiotic use and abiding by proper withdrawl times, "ORGANIC" could be safer. If everyone adhered to proper withdrawl times on all vaccines, "ORGANIC" would not be safer.

"ORGANIC" is exactly what it is, "ORGANIC". "ORGANIC" does not imply that it's something it's not.

Your pathetic comparison of the two shows just how desperate you are to defend "WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE". Typical R-CALFer!

Only you would be stupid enough to believe that consumers would demand "bse tested" beef KNOWING IT WASN'T GUARANTEED TO BE "BSE FREE". You know damn well Creekstone wanted to capitalize on an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

If Walmart wanted to sell "antibiotic free beef" based on a test that would not reveal antibiotics in the beef Walmart wanted to test and sell as "antibiotic free", WOULD YOU SUPPORT THAT ACTION? YES OR NO?

Question too uncomfortable for you?

Afraid answering that question might reveal your hypocritical ways?


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "ORGANIC" is exactly what it is, "ORGANIC". "ORGANIC" does not imply that it's something it's not."

Organic implies "safer". No doubt about it.

There's no difference between the consumer perceptions of BSE tested beef and organic beef.
 
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Anonymous

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If Walmart wanted to sell "antibiotic free beef" based on a test that would not reveal antibiotics in the beef Walmart wanted to test and sell as "antibiotic free", WOULD YOU SUPPORT THEIR RIGHT TO TEST? YES OR NO?

Ducking and dodging again I see! Same ol' Sandbag! Run Sandbag, run! Make statements and divert uncomfortable questions.


Sandbag: "Organic implies "safer". No doubt about it."

Organic could be safer if antibiotic withdrawl times are not adhered to. "BSE TESTED" beef is not safer. Apples and watermelons.



~SH~
 

RobertMac

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SH said:
In the case of "ORGANIC", "ORGANIC" implies free of implants and free of antibiotic residue. That is exactly what it is. There is no implication that it is safer.

Organic consumers believe that "Organic" means it is safer food...does that mean the "Organic" label is consumer fraud?????????????

Creekstone wants to use the same BSE test protocol as the Japanese to sell beef to the Japanese...is the Japanese government committing consumer fraud? Didn't the Japanese consumer demand 100% testing on their own beef???????????

This consumer fraud argument is getting comical...how is it consumer fraud when you are giving the consumer what they are asking for????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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~SH~ said:
If Walmart wanted to sell "antibiotic free beef" based on a test that would not reveal antibiotics in the beef Walmart wanted to test and sell as "antibiotic free", WOULD YOU SUPPORT THEIR RIGHT TO TEST? YES OR NO?

Ducking and dodging again I see! Same ol' Sandbag! Run Sandbag, run! Make statements and divert uncomfortable questions.


Sandbag: "Organic implies "safer". No doubt about it."

Organic could be safer if antibiotic withdrawl times are not adhered to. "BSE TESTED" beef is not safer. Apples and watermelons.



~SH~

As Lee Corso says, "Not so fast, my friend". You're not getting this one by me. Creekstone wasn't planning on selling "BSE Free Beef". They were going to sell "BSE TESTED Beef".

Another problem with you is that the Japanese are the ones who were asking for the tested beef.

NO, I would not support Walmart if they used "free" in their label if they couldn't prove it.
 

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