You're not getting this one by me. Creekstone wasn't planning on selling "BSE Free Beef". They were going to sell "BSE TESTED Beef".
Tam said:I would still like to know why if beef is sold with a USDA INSPECTED and it is implied to mean US BEEF it is a fraud. BUT when Creekstone's BSE Tested beef is sold with a label that implies BSE Free it's not fraud is't just the consumer not knowing the truth? :roll:
Sandhusker said:Tam said:I would still like to know why if beef is sold with a USDA INSPECTED and it is implied to mean US BEEF it is a fraud. BUT when Creekstone's BSE Tested beef is sold with a label that implies BSE Free it's not fraud is't just the consumer not knowing the truth? :roll:
Creekstone is implying nothing. They said "BSE testing does not mean BSE free". Other than SH, who can't understand that statement? How can there be any implications after a statement that clear?
RM: "Organic consumers believe that "Organic" means it is safer food...does that mean the "Organic" label is consumer fraud?????????????"
RM: "Creekstone wants to use the same BSE test protocol as the Japanese to sell beef to the Japanese...is the Japanese government committing consumer fraud? Didn't the Japanese consumer demand 100% testing on their own beef???????????"
RM: "This consumer fraud argument is getting comical...how is it consumer fraud when you are giving the consumer what they are asking for?????????????"
Sandbag: "Creekstone wasn't planning on selling "BSE Free Beef". They were going to sell "BSE TESTED Beef"."
Sandbag: "Another problem with you is that the Japanese are the ones who were asking for the tested beef."
SH (previous): "If Walmart wanted to sell "antibiotic free beef" based on a test that would not reveal antibiotics in the beef Walmart wanted to test and sell as "antibiotic free", WOULD YOU SUPPORT THEIR RIGHT TO TEST? YES OR NO?"
Sandbag (in response): "NO, I would not support Walmart if they used "free" in their label if they couldn't prove it."
OCM: "To paraphrase ~SH~. "The customer is WRONG. Shove it down his throat.""
Mike: "Correct. It was the NCBA and AMI that wanted to label US beef going to Japan as "BSE FREE"............ WITHOUT a test!!!!!!!!!!"
Sandbag: "Creekstone is implying nothing. They said "BSE testing does not mean BSE free". Other than SH, who can't understand that statement? How can there be any implications after a statement that clear?"
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Mike: "Correct. It was the NCBA and AMI that wanted to label US beef going to Japan as "BSE FREE"............ WITHOUT a test!!!!!!!!!!"
Are you suggesting that beef from cattle under 24 months of age from the United States is not bse free?
Sandbag: "If you can't figure out that free from antibiotics or growth hormones means "safer" to consumers, you're a bigger idiot than you let on."
Sandbag: "How about answering RM's question, SH?"
Sandbag: " Maybe you could tell us what Creekstone's labels were going to say?"
Sandbag: "Then why the millions being spent on "regaining their trust"?"
Sandbag: "They're not lying, so they can go for it."
Sandbag: " No, I don't know that, SH. I think they would buy it because it is a cheap way to have a little more assurance."
Sandbag: "You don't know what the consumers believe. If Creekstone is trying to capitalize on consumer ignorance (like pumping gas into packages to fool them into believing it is fresh or putting a USDA inspected label on product that is not USDA inspected), why did they make a public statement that BSE tested does not mean BSE free? That would go in the stupid criminal file."
Sandbag: "Not all consumers buy the organic image."
Sandbag: "You yourself said organic is not safer, and you're a consumer."
Sandbag: "The people who buy organic do so because they think it is safer. You said it isn't. By your definition, that is deception."
Sandbag: "Creekstone was just a supplier - the retailer's labels would be the ones the consumer would see."
Sandbag: "But you said they accepted the science - they're buying non-tested beef. If they had, there would be no reason regain trust, their trust would be in the science."
Sandhusker said:Tam, "The USDA is implying Nothing also They inspected all the meat to the same standards imported or not and found all the meat to be of the same standard. Where did the USDA say the meat was US beef, Sandhusker? They didn't all they said is that they INSPECTED IT . How can there be any fraud with the USDA label? BECAUSE YOU SAY THERE IS THAT HOW!!!!!!"
First of all, Tam, they don't inspect all the imported meat. As a matter of fact, very little of it is actually inspected by the USDA. The fraud is that the beef that is NOT inspected by the USDA receives the same stamp as product that is.
The USDA does NOT say that all the meat is US beef. However, consumers glance at the USDA stamp and sticker on their beef and that is the false perception they go home with and are never told any different. Why would they think any different?
From the FSIS The USDA branch in charge of Food Safety InspectionsSandhusker: First of all, Tam, they don't inspect all the imported meat. As a matter of fact, very little of it is actually inspected by the USDA.
Oh Who are we to believe Sandhusker or the FSIS? :roll:FSIS Activities
Under the Federal Meat Inspection Act, the Poultry Products Inspection Act, and the Egg Products Inspection Act, FSIS inspects all meat, poultry, and egg products sold in interstate commerce and reinspects imported products, to ensure that they meet U.S. food safety standards. More than 7,600 inspection personnel verify that regulations regarding food safety and other consumer protection concerns such as labeling, are met in nearly 6,500 meat, poultry, and egg processing plants. In slaughter plants, inspection involves examining, before and after slaughter, birds and animals intended for use as food. In egg processing plants, inspection involves examining, before and after breaking, eggs intended for further processing and use as food.
FSIS has many responsibilities in addition to these inspection activities. The Agency sets requirements for meat and poultry labels and for certain slaughter and processing activities, such as plant sanitation and thermal processing, that the industry must meet. FSIS tests for microbiological, chemical, and other types of contamination and conducts epidemiological investigations in cooperation with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) based on reports of foodborne health hazards and disease outbreaks. In addition, the Agency conducts enforcement activities to address situations where unsafe, unwholesome, or inaccurately labeled products have been produced or marketed.
To ensure the safety of imported products, FSIS maintains a comprehensive system of import inspection and controls. Annually, FSIS reviews inspection systems in all foreign countries eligible to export meat and poultry to the United States to ensure that they are equivalent to those under U.S. laws. Reinspection of all imported meat and poultry products entering the United States verifies that the country’s inspection system is working.
According to the FSIS they do inspect all meat and reinspect the imported and inspect those plants allowed to export to the US But if you say so Sandhusker!!!! :wink:Sandhusker: The fraud is that the beef that is NOT inspected by the USDA receives the same stamp as product that is
The USDA inspection stamp is false advertising. Many consumers believe that the USDA Inspection Stamp implies that meat products either come from U.S. cattle and/or have been inspected by U.S. government officials. The truth about the USDA Inspected Stamp is more complicated. The USDA stamp does not mean the meat is from cattle born and raised in the United States. It could be from any one of the 13 countries we import beef from.
Sandhusker: However, consumers glance at the USDA stamp and sticker on their beef and that is the false perception they go home with and are never told any different. Why would they think any different?
Sandhusker said:First of all, Tam, they don't inspect all the imported meat. As a matter of fact, very little of it is actually inspected by the USDA.
FSIS said:To ensure the safety of imported products, FSIS maintains a comprehensive system of import inspection and controls. Annually, FSIS reviews inspection systems in all foreign countries eligible to export meat and poultry to the United States to ensure that they are equivalent to those under U.S. laws. Reinspection of all imported meat and poultry products entering the United States verifies that the country’s inspection system is working.
Tam said:Oh Who are we to believe Sandhusker or the FSIS?
SH said:Quote:
RM: "Organic consumers believe that "Organic" means it is safer food...does that mean the "Organic" label is consumer fraud?????????????"
Of course not! Organic beef means the beef is free from antibiotics or growth hormones.....
SH said:Quote:
RM: "Creekstone wants to use the same BSE test protocol as the Japanese to sell beef to the Japanese...is the Japanese government committing consumer fraud? Didn't the Japanese consumer demand 100% testing on their own beef???????????"
First, you don't know a damn thing about Japanese testing other than what your R-CULT brethren have told you. Tell me Robert, how many cattle does Japan bse test? What ages are those tested cattle? What bse tests does Japan use?
HEY, ROBERT, COME BACK, IT WAS JUST A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY YOUR STATEMENT.
If the Japanese consumers are demanding bse tested beef, why is there government importing non bse tested beef from Canada and the US?? Hmmmmm??? Does that make sense in your R-CULT world?
SH said:Quote:
RM: "This consumer fraud argument is getting comical...how is it consumer fraud when you are giving the consumer what they are asking for?????????????"
The comedy is watching USDA blamers like you insist Japan wants bse tested beef while they import non bse tested beef from Canada and the US and the Japanese negotiators never mention a damn thing about testing.
RobertMac said:Sandhusker said:First of all, Tam, they don't inspect all the imported meat. As a matter of fact, very little of it is actually inspected by the USDA.
FSIS said:To ensure the safety of imported products, FSIS maintains a comprehensive system of import inspection and controls. Annually, FSIS reviews inspection systems in all foreign countries eligible to export meat and poultry to the United States to ensure that they are equivalent to those under U.S. laws. Reinspection of all imported meat and poultry products entering the United States verifies that the country’s inspection system is working.
Tam said:Oh Who are we to believe Sandhusker or the FSIS?
Tam, if you looked into the FSIS site (research took just a few minutes) instead of relying on google to find your information, you would have found the truth on imported meat presented, re-inspected, and rejected.
Only a little over 10% is re-inspected...THAT'S REAL CLOSE TO "VERY LITTLE"!!!!
Oh Who are we to believe Sandhusker or Tam?????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tam said:IF so then...yadda, yadda, yadda....
RobertMac said:Tam said:IF so then...yadda, yadda, yadda....
Did you look at the numbers, Tam????? Obviously not! :???:
You're not sucking me into your HAF (Hate America First) argument in your alternative reality.
Tam said:RobertMac said:Tam said:IF so then...yadda, yadda, yadda....
Did you look at the numbers, Tam????? Obviously not! :???:
You're not sucking me into your HAF (Hate America First) argument in your alternative reality.
Does it matter if I look at the number you said they were inspecting only a little over 10% and if you are right as you think you are then Why hasn't your organization went after them for not inspecting more? :? Does the label that your organization demands be put on somehow make the meat safer for your consumers? Or is this a case of it really doesn't matter if the meat is safe as long as the US doesn't take the blame? That shows how much you really care about the health of the consumer doesn't it. :roll: