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Deliberate Sabotage?

Sandhusker

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MRJ, "Tam, you almost nailed it for the COOL supporting, Canadian cattle hating people. "

You're getting pretty loose with your labels, MRJ. COOL supporters and Canadian cattle haters are not synonyms.
 

RobertMac

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Tam, homework....
Learn the difference between INSPECT and RE-INSPECT. :shock:

Tam said:
That shows how much you really care about the health of the consumer doesn't it.

Tam, I have my name, phone number, and animal ID on the label of every package of beef I sell...come back when you care as much. :p

Funny you two ladies mention BLAME...that is exactly what is avoided by not having COOL! :lol:

MRJ, I don't hate Canadians...I want them to have their very own Canadian beef industry that promotes their beef and sells it as a "Proud Product of Canada"!!!!!!! :D
 

bse-tester

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SH wrote:

If you want to draw a comparison, compare bse tested beef from cattle under 24 months of age to antibiotic tested beef which used an antibiotic test that would not detect antibiotics. That would be consumer fraud much like bse testing cattle under 24 months of age is.

SH, can you explain why you think that when animals that are tested for BSE are 24 months or younger that this is consumer fraud?

I would like to know where it is you are getting this idea from if you care to explain it further. Then I will offer a response.
Ron.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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RobertMac said:
Tam, homework....
Learn the difference between INSPECT and RE-INSPECT. :shock:

Tam said:
That shows how much you really care about the health of the consumer doesn't it.

Tam, I have my name, phone number, and animal ID on the label of every package of beef I sell...come back when you care as much. :p

Funny you two ladies mention BLAME...that is exactly what is avoided by not having COOL! :lol:

MRJ, I don't hate Canadians...I want them to have their very own Canadian beef industry that promotes their beef and sells it as a "Proud Product of Canada"!!!!!!! :D




Robert Mac, haven't you heard OT telling us he sees the Product of Canada boxes in the dumpster behind his butchers shop. Our meat is labeled. Whats stopping someone from relabeling your meat for resale?
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
RobertMac said:
Tam, homework....
Learn the difference between INSPECT and RE-INSPECT. :shock:

Tam said:
That shows how much you really care about the health of the consumer doesn't it.

Tam, I have my name, phone number, and animal ID on the label of every package of beef I sell...come back when you care as much. :p

Funny you two ladies mention BLAME...that is exactly what is avoided by not having COOL! :lol:

MRJ, I don't hate Canadians...I want them to have their very own Canadian beef industry that promotes their beef and sells it as a "Proud Product of Canada"!!!!!!! :D




Robert Mac, haven't you heard OT telling us he sees the Product of Canada boxes in the dumpster behind his butchers shop. Our meat is labeled. Whats stopping someone from relabeling your meat for resale?

It only became boxed and labeled when the US required it to reopen the border- before the swinging beef coming in from Canada was generic and could only be told by the stamp on the meat.....

Don't know about where Robert Mac is- but in Montana if you remove someones label or brand or marking and relable its a crime-- it is in most states...In fact several major business's have been prosecuted for mislabeling and passing off clothing and other articles as name brand or "designer" product... Its a crime on everything- except meat- and thats because the Packer lobby has spent Millions $ and been able to influence and keep the loophole in the law that allows it...And guess what Big Muddy- they're not doing that for the benefit of you or me- its their own pockets they stuff with that scam......
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
RobertMac said:
Tam, homework....
Learn the difference between INSPECT and RE-INSPECT. :shock:



Tam, I have my name, phone number, and animal ID on the label of every package of beef I sell...come back when you care as much. :p

Funny you two ladies mention BLAME...that is exactly what is avoided by not having COOL! :lol:

MRJ, I don't hate Canadians...I want them to have their very own Canadian beef industry that promotes their beef and sells it as a "Proud Product of Canada"!!!!!!! :D




Robert Mac, haven't you heard OT telling us he sees the Product of Canada boxes in the dumpster behind his butchers shop. Our meat is labeled. Whats stopping someone from relabeling your meat for resale?

It only became boxed and labeled when the US required it to reopen the border- before the swinging beef coming in from Canada was generic and could only be told by the stamp on the meat.....

Don't know about where Robert Mac is- but in Montana if you remove someones label or brand or marking and relable its a crime-- it is in most states...In fact several major business's have been prosecuted for mislabeling and passing off clothing and other articles as name brand or "designer" product... Its a crime on everything- except meat- and thats because the Packer lobby has spent Millions $ and been able to influence and keep the loophole in the law that allows it...And guess what Big Muddy- they're not doing that for the benefit of you or me- its their own pockets they stuff with that scam......


OT you just said our meat is labeled and the swinging meat was labeled. It's not because the Canadians weren't proud of it ,the Americans just wanted to claim a superior product for themselves.

We should feel flattered. :)
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Robert Mac, haven't you heard OT telling us he sees the Product of Canada boxes in the dumpster behind his butchers shop. Our meat is labeled. Whats stopping someone from relabeling your meat for resale?

It only became boxed and labeled when the US required it to reopen the border- before the swinging beef coming in from Canada was generic and could only be told by the stamp on the meat.....

Don't know about where Robert Mac is- but in Montana if you remove someones label or brand or marking and relable its a crime-- it is in most states...In fact several major business's have been prosecuted for mislabeling and passing off clothing and other articles as name brand or "designer" product... Its a crime on everything- except meat- and thats because the Packer lobby has spent Millions $ and been able to influence and keep the loophole in the law that allows it...And guess what Big Muddy- they're not doing that for the benefit of you or me- its their own pockets they stuff with that scam......


OT you just said our meat is labeled and the swinging meat was labeled. It's not because the Canadians weren't proud of it ,the Americans just wanted to claim a superior product for themselves.

We should feel flattered. :)

If you could find the inked stamp on the carcass (and then read the smeared thing) I guess you could call that labeled- but since it was on the fat it was the first trim removed....Now if you want to call that being proud, be my guest :roll: .... Definitely no one knew they were getting Canadian product......
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
Tam, homework....
Learn the difference between INSPECT and RE-INSPECT. :shock:

Tam said:
That shows how much you really care about the health of the consumer doesn't it.

Tam, I have my name, phone number, and animal ID on the label of every package of beef I sell...come back when you care as much. :p

Funny you two ladies mention BLAME...that is exactly what is avoided by not having COOL! :lol:

MRJ, I don't hate Canadians...I want them to have their very own Canadian beef industry that promotes their beef and sells it as a "Proud Product of Canada"!!!!!!! :D

You never answered my questions RobertMac has R-CALF gone after the USDA for not inspecting/reinspecting the beef? All I see is R-CALF demanding the beef be label to country of origin. Does the Cool label make the beef safe or is R-CALF with your support willing to allow unsafe beef into your country as long as it is labeled? Oldtimer seem to be as he has posted many times "label it and let the consumer decide". That tells us how much he cares about the safety of the beef the US consumer buys, what about you? Just because you label your beef mean little when you support an organization that stands on the idea just label the imports and don't bother us with proving where our beef comes from.


BLAME...that is exactly what is avoided by not having COOL!
Tell US RobertMac how will any US producer be blamed for the meat he produces with your current COOL law? How will you know where the US beef came from? You HAVE NO ID system in place to track the guilty US producer down and that was proven in the Alabama investigation.
 

PORKER

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You never answered my questions RobertMac has R-CALF gone after the USDA for not inspecting/reinspecting the beef? All I see is R-CALF demanding the beef be label to country of origin. Does the Cool label make the beef safe or is R-CALF with your support willing to allow unsafe beef into your country as long as it is labeled.

Sooo ,has NCBA gone after USDA or anything ?????????????
 

RobertMac

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Tam, my point is not to answer your ridiculous questions, but to point out your willingness to use half-truths in your zeal to bash R-CALF and USA producers.

At least 90% of Canadian beef sold in the USA is inspected only by Canadian inspectors...I would think that percentage is higher because I doubt Cargill and Tyson beef is the subject of very many RE-INSPECTIONS. When that beef is legally (for now) re-stamped with a USDA stamp, any problem with that beef will be blamed on USA producers and the USDA. With the re-stamping, your ID system is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. Using your (il-)logic, you Canadians are showing no concern for beef safety or consumer's health!!!!!!!!!!!! :wink:

The real question is why you and your Canadian beef organizations are not demanding that Tyson and Cargill sell YOUR BEEF to the USA consumer as a "Proud Product of Canada"?????????????????????????????????????????? :???: :? :shock: :eek: :p
 

RobertMac

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BMR, you, like your wife, should educate yourself before you make post that shows your ignorance on a subject. Meat can legally be re-labeled ONLY AFTER FURTHER PROCESSING AND IN AN INSPECTED FACILITY. The level of inspection dictates the level of re-labeling. It would be a crime for anyone to re-label my individual-cut packages because there is no further processing except cooking, which goes into a different level of inspection! :eek: :shock: :lol:
 

RobertMac

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PORKER said:
You never answered my questions RobertMac has R-CALF gone after the USDA for not inspecting/reinspecting the beef? All I see is R-CALF demanding the beef be label to country of origin. Does the Cool label make the beef safe or is R-CALF with your support willing to allow unsafe beef into your country as long as it is labeled.

Sooo ,has NCBA gone after USDA or anything ?????????????

Now you are showing Tam's double standard!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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PORKER said:
Sooo ,has NCBA gone after USDA or anything ?????????????

Actually Porker yes...NCBA was the original proposer of and a strong proponent for M-COOL, up until the politics bought out the leadership in 2000, and they flip-flopped......They were the ones that conducted the consumer polls that showed 80+% of all US consumers wanted country of origin on their food and produce products....That flipflop, when most of their individual membership still supported M-COOL, was the main reason they lost my support and in my opinion the major growing factor for R-CALF...

NCBA also has/still is opposed to the USDA allowing the USDA grade stamps being used on imported beef- especially since many of the countries have different grading systems....
 

Sandhusker

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OT, "...They were the ones that conducted the consumer polls that showed 80+% of all US consumers wanted country of origin on their food and produce products..."

Judging by the Walmart/US shrimp real life example, it appears they were right.
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
Tam, my point is not to answer your ridiculous questions, but to point out your willingness to use half-truths in your zeal to bash R-CALF and USA producers.

At least 90% of Canadian beef sold in the USA is inspected only by Canadian inspectors...I would think that percentage is higher because I doubt Cargill and Tyson beef is the subject of very many RE-INSPECTIONS. When that beef is legally (for now) re-stamped with a USDA stamp, any problem with that beef will be blamed on USA producers and the USDA. With the re-stamping, your ID system is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. Using your (il-)logic, you Canadians are showing no concern for beef safety or consumer's health!!!!!!!!!!!! :wink:

The real question is why you and your Canadian beef organizations are not demanding that Tyson and Cargill sell YOUR BEEF to the USA consumer as a "Proud Product of Canada"?????????????????????????????????????????? :???: :? :shock: :eek: :p

First Cargill and Tyson are selling it to US retailers as a Product of Canada or did you not read that it was Oldtimers LOCAL BUTCHER THAT RELABELED OUR BEEF? What happens to our beef once your local butchers get their hands on it is what is the problem. :wink:
And RobertMac if those Canadian inspectors are doing the exact same if not better job of inspecting to the same if not better standards than the US has what does it matter if the USDA reinspects every pound of beef that crosses the border. Let me ask you this, If you hire a guy to do a job and you show him exactly what you want done and and to what standard, And after several times of checking and rechecking his work you find his work to be of a better standards than what you asked for, do you still stand over his shoulder and watch every move he makes or do you go about your other business and check in on him every once in a while to make sure he is still doing the same job you hired him to do? Now if in one of your re-inspections you found him to be cheating the rules like shipping SRM's into a country that has ban them I can see why you would stand over his shoulder and watch his every move but if you found him to be doing a better job than you can do, I don't see why you would bother checking every box. :roll:

With the re-stamping, your ID system is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. Using your (il-)logic, you Canadians are showing no concern for beef safety or consumer's health!!!!!!!!!!!!
RobertMac we tag our cattle and the tag number rides with that carcass right thought the processing stages including every inspection during the processing stage. So if the inspectors find a problem with any of the meat it can be indentified right back to where it was born.That is every animal born in Canada not the hit and miss system you have but every animal. If a problem is identified so is the SOURCE and the CFIA can go after the people responcible for the problem. Can the US do that? Well RobertMac Not according to the Alabama investigation. We care and that shows to our consumers with our willingness to indentify our cattle and the openness we have shown in doing the correct testing to find out how big our problem really is so we can clean it up. What are you telling your consumers by refusing to give the USDA access to a system that would tell them where a problem cow like the one in Alabama was born, so they know they are looking at the right herd and feed plants if she had been the regular type of BSE. Being Atypical it is even more important that they know so they can find out what caused it but you don't seem to care to help provide that information with our don't burden us attitudes. If there is a risk to the US consumers it is most likely coming from within our industry with your denial of ever having BSE and your lack of doing anything to upgrade your firewall (ie feed ban) to protect you from an even bigger problem. But by all means RobertMac go on buying ads stating you have the World Safety Beef raised to the World Highest Standards someone just might believe you if they haven't heard R-CALFs other line which is THE USDA DOESN"T CARE ABOUT FOOD SAFETY
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
PORKER said:
You never answered my questions RobertMac has R-CALF gone after the USDA for not inspecting/reinspecting the beef? All I see is R-CALF demanding the beef be label to country of origin. Does the Cool label make the beef safe or is R-CALF with your support willing to allow unsafe beef into your country as long as it is labeled.

Sooo ,has NCBA gone after USDA or anything ?????????????

Now you are showing Tam's double standard!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice try at diverting attention away from R-CALF but can you tell me if the NCBA has been calling the USDA INSPECTED label a fraud due to the implied meaning that it is US beef or is it that the US hasn't inspected it all? I'm confused of why you R-CALFer really thinks it is a fraud the story changes so. :?
Or have they demanded the US needs M'COOL so the US consumers know what beef is tainted imported beef that will risk there lives? :?
Has any NCBA'er posted JUST LABEL IT AND LET THE CONSUMER DECIDE? As if it doesn't matter if it is tainted as long as the consumer doesn't think it is US beef.

Until you can bring something that proves they have, this is no double standard just another poor attempt of diverting attention away from an organization that will do and say anything to achieve their goal of stopping trade.
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, "Until you can bring something that proves they have, this is no double standard just another poor attempt of diverting attention away from an organization that will do and say anything to achieve their goal of stopping trade."

You make that statement and follow it with the tag-line, "The meaning of TRUTH: the quality of being in accordance with experience, facts or reality;"?
 

RobertMac

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, "Until you can bring something that proves they have, this is no double standard just another poor attempt of diverting attention away from an organization that will do and say anything to achieve their goal of stopping trade."

You make that statement and follow it with the tag-line, "The meaning of TRUTH: the quality of being in accordance with experience, facts or reality;"?

If Tam followed her tag-line, she'd have nothing to say! :shock: :wink:
 

RobertMac

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Tam, what are you doing to make sure your beef is sold to the USA consumer as a "Proud Product of Canada"????? If I was producing the best beef in the world, I'd be mad as he!! that I wasn't getting credit for it...or getting paid a premium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :shock: :lol: :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, "...someone just might believe you if they haven't heard R-CALFs other line which is THE USDA DOESN"T CARE ABOUT FOOD SAFETY"

Well, take a look at what they've done and are doing;

They abandoned the zero-tolerance policy that was supposed to be backed by current science so that Cargill and Tyson could continue to do business with Canada.

They tried to break their own rules in restarting trade with Canada.

They are allowing in beef of any age from a country pushing 30 cases of BSE (Japan) in an effort to entice Japan to trade.

They won't allow anybody else to test, instead trying to use a law that doesn't even fit the situation and ignoring the fact that organic products fall into the same class as BSE tested beef to justify their actions.

They won't use the best test available to do their own testing.

I think it's pretty obvious that food safety is not their number 1 priority.
 

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