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Destroyed embryos

schnurrbart

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Ok Red Robin. Are you still Bob Bob Bobbling along? Here it is. If you are so much against abortion and the right says that life begins at the first cell stage, then why no big outrage about the Fertility Clinic destruction of embryos that are not wanted nor needed? Why no big push for all you rightwingers to adopt them and bring them to a full, air breathing life? People can and have adopted some already. There are plenty more for sure. Have one or two implanted into your lovely wife. If not, then why not use them for research rather than destroy them? Now, it is a new thread and you can answer. I'm waiting.
 

aplusmnt

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schnurrbart said:
Ok Red Robin. Are you still Bob Bob Bobbling along? Here it is. If you are so much against abortion and the right says that life begins at the first cell stage, then why no big outrage about the Fertility Clinic destruction of embryos that are not wanted nor needed? Why no big push for all you rightwingers to adopt them and bring them to a full, air breathing life? People can and have adopted some already. There are plenty more for sure. Have one or two implanted into your lovely wife. If not, then why not use them for research rather than destroy them? Now, it is a new thread and you can answer. I'm waiting.

Why would anyone have an obligation to correct the mistakes of someone else just because they do not believe in what the person making the mistake did?
 

schnurrbart

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aplusmnt said:
schnurrbart said:
Ok Red Robin. Are you still Bob Bob Bobbling along? Here it is. If you are so much against abortion and the right says that life begins at the first cell stage, then why no big outrage about the Fertility Clinic destruction of embryos that are not wanted nor needed? Why no big push for all you rightwingers to adopt them and bring them to a full, air breathing life? People can and have adopted some already. There are plenty more for sure. Have one or two implanted into your lovely wife. If not, then why not use them for research rather than destroy them? Now, it is a new thread and you can answer. I'm waiting.

Why would anyone have an obligation to correct the mistakes of someone else just because they do not believe in what the person making the mistake did?

Say what? Are you saying that wanting to have a baby and going to a fertility clinic is a mortal mistake? I think that is what you are implying although it is somewhat difficult to determine. I thought that abortion is whatever form was what the rightwingers are uptight about. By adopting the embryos, they can "save" those unborn babies and I would think that they/you would jump all over that. No one is obligated to do much of anything but I feel that you would find that to be a moral obligation. Either that or you just like to stir crap because liberals believe that it is the woman's choice and not rightwingers.
 

jigs

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so if my wife and I have 4 embryos there, and our time frame runs out, or we are killed or for any reason we can not have a kid, those embryos are there.... would you and your wife, go buy our kid, implant it, and raise it????

this is what you are proposing???
 

aplusmnt

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jigs said:
so if my wife and I have 4 embryos there, and our time frame runs out, or we are killed or for any reason we can not have a kid, those embryos are there.... would you and your wife, go buy our kid, implant it, and raise it????

this is what you are proposing???

Jigs maybe we could start a embryo service, we could offer A.I. and Embryo work. Maybe have a Frozen Gold sale were we could sell a few frozen babies to be implanted into whoever can afford it. Much like Genex maybe we could call it Humanex?

We could offer stock with Maternal attributes (conservative semen and embryo's) and then the Terminal ones being Liberals. But then again if I had a bunch of Liberal stock in the tank it might be tempting not to have the nitrogen filled :wink:
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart
I thought that abortion is whatever form was what the rightwingers are uptight about.

this is the same argument disagreeable used again and again.....

and it is pointless....

But to make you happy....if a person donates cells to make an embryos it is their responsibility to care for the embryos,...most would not release them to be used....court battles have ruled that they have custody of the embryos.....if they decide to donate them they can....no law or rightwinger has ever stopped this....in fact if you and your lovely wife gets pregnant, aborts the fetus at eight months and 29 days you could legally donate it's still breathing body as it gasped for breath as it's head was crushed to science....and no one could legally stop you....would you do that to your child for science? ....I would not.

I just don't want my Government to force you to release the baby to a lab so they can experiment on the child....in fact,...I do not want my Government involved in abortions....supporting research on aborted fetuses, or selling fetuses to labs....is that so bad?
 

Steve

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Well I answered your Question.....Care to answer mine?

But why argue just the few points: the controversial argument is not just about embryo research nor usage of "discarded fetuses....but about who retains life,....and who decides when it is merely an inconvenience....
from a bioethics lecture:
Major Points:
* In many cases of abortion, the death of the fetus is precisely what the woman is seeking;
* It is the death of the fetus rather than the mere removal of the fetus from her womb that secures the benefit for the woman. So that it would seem that the appeal to a right to bodily self determination is frequently no more than a pretext for securing the death of the fetus;
* When medical technology gets to the point that it can produce an artificial womb, we will be faced with a more pressing question, "Does the woman have a right to the death of the fetus?"
http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/courses/hde19/lecture1.html

"Does the woman have a right to the death of the fetus?"
 

jigs

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aplusmnt said:
jigs said:
so if my wife and I have 4 embryos there, and our time frame runs out, or we are killed or for any reason we can not have a kid, those embryos are there.... would you and your wife, go buy our kid, implant it, and raise it????

this is what you are proposing???

Jigs maybe we could start a embryo service, we could offer A.I. and Embryo work. Maybe have a Frozen Gold sale were we could sell a few frozen babies to be implanted into whoever can afford it. Much like Genex maybe we could call it Humanex?

We could offer stock with Maternal attributes (conservative semen and embryo's) and then the Terminal ones being Liberals. But then again if I had a bunch of Liberal stock in the tank it might be tempting not to have the nitrogen filled :wink:
well, you may be on to something here.....

however, being in the genetics business, we would not be able to promote Liberals. because our goal would be to produce bigger better beings....the lib gene would just hold them back.
 

memanpa

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removing the embryonic stem cell from an embryo kills the embryo.

then by using what is known as differentiation scientists use chemicals to modify the cells' genes to become the desired type of cell wanted, that scares me the modifacation part, are they creating something good or could they actually create some sort of devistating cancer/disease with no hope of a cure?
 

aplusmnt

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jigs said:
aplusmnt said:
jigs said:
so if my wife and I have 4 embryos there, and our time frame runs out, or we are killed or for any reason we can not have a kid, those embryos are there.... would you and your wife, go buy our kid, implant it, and raise it????

this is what you are proposing???

Jigs maybe we could start a embryo service, we could offer A.I. and Embryo work. Maybe have a Frozen Gold sale were we could sell a few frozen babies to be implanted into whoever can afford it. Much like Genex maybe we could call it Humanex?

We could offer stock with Maternal attributes (conservative semen and embryo's) and then the Terminal ones being Liberals. But then again if I had a bunch of Liberal stock in the tank it might be tempting not to have the nitrogen filled :wink:
well, you may be on to something here.....

however, being in the genetics business, we would not be able to promote Liberals. because our goal would be to produce bigger better beings....the lib gene would just hold them back.

Yea we would need some test much like they do for TH in Short Horns and PHA in Maine cattle to insure that the Liberalism Virus do not get into the the Gene Pool.
 

Red Robin

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schnurrbart said:
Ok Red Robin. Are you still Bob Bob Bobbling along? Here it is. If you are so much against abortion and the right says that life begins at the first cell stage, then why no big outrage about the Fertility Clinic destruction of embryos that are not wanted nor needed? Why no big push for all you rightwingers to adopt them and bring them to a full, air breathing life? People can and have adopted some already. There are plenty more for sure. Have one or two implanted into your lovely wife. If not, then why not use them for research rather than destroy them? Now, it is a new thread and you can answer. I'm waiting.
I am against the destruction of life at any stage. I'm not under any obligation to rescue anyone. If my wife and I so choose to adopt a child, be it a post birth child or an embryo that we implant, it's our business and none of yours. Thanks for the input though.
 

schnurrbart

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Red Robin said:
schnurrbart said:
Ok Red Robin. Are you still Bob Bob Bobbling along? Here it is. If you are so much against abortion and the right says that life begins at the first cell stage, then why no big outrage about the Fertility Clinic destruction of embryos that are not wanted nor needed? Why no big push for all you rightwingers to adopt them and bring them to a full, air breathing life? People can and have adopted some already. There are plenty more for sure. Have one or two implanted into your lovely wife. If not, then why not use them for research rather than destroy them? Now, it is a new thread and you can answer. I'm waiting.
I am against the destruction of life at any stage. I'm not under any obligation to rescue anyone. If my wife and I so choose to adopt a child, be it a post birth child or an embryo that we implant, it's our business and none of yours. Thanks for the input though.

I never said you were obligated. I said that if you are so strongly opposed to the destruction of life (which the embryo in a fertility clinic is at some point destined) why WOULDN'T you want to save at least one of them? You are just skirting around the question I posed. You would rather see them destroyed than research done with them. That is the bottom line here.
 

Red Robin

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I would not rather see them destroyed. You're arguing from a baseless position. Are you against child prostitution? If so, why havn't you adopted one of these little girls from the far east? Are you agianst starving children in Africa? Is so , why don't you butcher your cattle and send them the money. Are you against slave labor in China? Why do you shop at wal-mart? Etc. Your argument might hold water if my wife and I had decided to superovulate her (which I wouldn't do) and had embryos on storage and had decided to kill them. Other than that you are looking foolish. Pick another argument.
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart
If not, then why not use them for research rather than destroy them?

Maybe you could point out where one "rightwinger" promoted the destruction of the embryos?

this is the problem with your (and Disagreeable"s argument),...you want US rightwingers to buy into a false hood presented by liberals.....we are not buying into your lies.....

No Right wing conservative on this board has ever pushed for the destruction of, or discarding of embryos...

Most Conservatives seem to be against the US government "promoting the destruction" of embryos, fetuses and babies for research,...is that so bad?....
 

kolanuraven

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Yeah....good ol' right wingers answer questions with more questions!!!

It's useless Schnurrbart....it's just something they CAN'T do! Independent thinking is outlawed in their 'pack'!
 

Texan

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Yeah....good ol' right wingers answer questions with more questions!!!
You'll have to admit that additional questions are often necessary for us to try to clarify what you libs meant...
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Yeah....good ol' right wingers answer questions with more questions!!!

It's useless Schnurrbart....it's just something they CAN'T do! Independent thinking is outlawed in their 'pack'!

Please explain how Red Robin did not answer the question asked of him. Made perfect sense to me. Are you a little challenged mentally to not get a clear and decisive answer from what he said.

Some of the best speakers in History use illustrations, examples and questions to prove the point they are trying to make. I believe one of their names was Jesus Christ! :roll:

We might need to ask Macon to put up some sort of a chalk board program on here so we can draw you Liberals a picture so you can understand. If I get the chance I will ask my 9 year old to color you one and I will scan it so you can keep up with the grownups. :wink:
 

CattleArmy

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I didn't see him directly answer it either just kinda stepped out around it. I support using embryos for research. If they aren't going to be implanted why not use them to further research and possibly help cure and find cures for various inflictions?? Why just destroy them??
 
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