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Didja notice this, SH?

Sandhusker

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Remember babbling about testing for Japan is a cost that would be eventually passed on to producers blah, blah, blah...?

Did you catch this from Flounder, "The strict checks required of U.S. meat allowed into Japan has meant higher costs for importers, which is also dampening trade, said Greg Hanes, USMEF's Japan director.

Did you also notice how well the deal the USDA negotiated is working for us?; "Though Tokyo eased its two-year blanket ban on U.S. beef in July, the lingering trade restrictions and a resulting supply crunch has meant only a trickle of U.S. beef has made it back into the country.

Nearly three years later, and this is what we have. Yep, you NCBA R-CALF bashers really backed a good one there. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Where is your proof that Japan would have imported beef from the US WITH TESTING??

The reason we lost the Japanese market is because we had BSE, not because USDA refused to allow deceptive testing.

This blind lame dog won't hunt any better than any of the rest of the stupid arguments you present.

Until you have proof that Japanese exports would have resumed to normal levels WITH TESTING, you don't have crap.

Yeh, yeh, I know, "what would you accept as proof"? Don't waste your time diverting the issue. Either bring the proof or shut up.

Japan is accepting non tested beef from the US and Canada which shoots a huge hole in your stupid notion that Japan was demanding bse tested beef but hey, keep repeating what you want to believe and stay the R-CULT course. Baaaaaaaaah!


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "The reason we lost the Japanese market is because we had BSE, not because USDA refused to allow deceptive testing."

We all know why we lost Japan. The issue is whether or not allowing testing would of opened the market up faster and wider. I have no doubt it would of.

Before you dreamed up this deception laugher, you went on and on about the costs of that $20 test. I'll bet the costs under this system surpass $20/carcass.
 

ocm

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Sandhusker said:
SH, "The reason we lost the Japanese market is because we had BSE, not because USDA refused to allow deceptive testing."

We all know why we lost Japan. The issue is whether or not allowing testing would of opened the market up faster and wider. I have no doubt it would of.

Before you dreamed up this deception laugher, you went on and on about the costs of that $20 test. I'll bet the costs under this system surpass $20/carcass.

~SH~, you're a historical revisionist, just like Bill Clinton. The Japanese cut us off when a CANADIAN cow showed up in the US and Ann Veneman did not notify the Japanese by the proper protocol and did not inform them in a timely manner that the cow was Canadian, like the state vet in Washington already knew before the public announcement. In short, we lost Japan because the USDA bungled it.
 

mwj

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ocm said:
Sandhusker said:
SH, "The reason we lost the Japanese market is because we had BSE, not because USDA refused to allow deceptive testing."

We all know why we lost Japan. The issue is whether or not allowing testing would of opened the market up faster and wider. I have no doubt it would of.

Before you dreamed up this deception laugher, you went on and on about the costs of that $20 test. I'll bet the costs under this system surpass $20/carcass.

~SH~, you're a historical revisionist, just like Bill Clinton. The Japanese cut us off when a CANADIAN cow showed up in the US and Ann Veneman did not notify the Japanese by the proper protocol and did not inform them in a timely manner that the cow was Canadian, like the state vet in Washington already knew before the public announcement. In short, we lost Japan because the USDA bungled it.

Since we put that cow IN THE FOOD CHAIN I don't think it would have made much diferance in how it was worded :oops: :shock:
 

Bill

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ocm said:
Sandhusker said:
SH, "The reason we lost the Japanese market is because we had BSE, not because USDA refused to allow deceptive testing."

We all know why we lost Japan. The issue is whether or not allowing testing would of opened the market up faster and wider. I have no doubt it would of.

Before you dreamed up this deception laugher, you went on and on about the costs of that $20 test. I'll bet the costs under this system surpass $20/carcass.
~, you're a historical revisionist, just like Bill Clinton. The Japanese cut us off when a CANADIAN cow showed up in the US and Ann Veneman did not notify the Japanese by the proper protocol and did not inform them in a timely manner that the cow was Canadian, like the state vet in Washington already knew before the public announcement. In short, we lost Japan because the USDA bungled it.
Once again a protectionist R-Klanner predictably tries to turn something into a "Canadian" issue. The fact that the cow originated in Canada had absolutely nothing to do with the Japanese cutting off US exports, It was the fact SHE HAD BSE.

As mwj pointed out, it also didn't help that you let her into the YOUR OWN food chain and didn't recover all the beef. Do you think that just maybe after exports resumed and the Japanese found bone fragments in a shipment that they just threw up their arms and said "SANSHIN USA"?

It didn't matter where the Washington State cow was born, the US screwed that one up in a team effort from the owner who shipped the cow to Vern's Meats who processed the animal and distributed the meat as well as the company who later saw fit to send banned bone fragmenets to Japan.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "The issue is whether or not allowing testing would of opened the market up faster and wider."

That's not an issue because Japan is obviously recognizing the science of testing by allowing non tested beef under 24 months.

It's only an issue to you because you are a blamer. You need something to bitch about even if it only makes sense to another blamer.


Sandbag: "I have no doubt it would of."

Because that's what you want to believe. You can't back this position with supporting facts any better than any other position you take.

"WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE" by little Sandcheska


Sandbag: "Before you dreamed up this deception laugher, you went on and on about the costs of that $20 test. I'll bet the costs under this system surpass $20/carcass."

Nothing justifies the consumer deception that you advocate.


OCM: "~SH~, you're a historical revisionist, just like Bill Clinton."

You're a flaming liberal, just like John Kerry!

"PLEASE GOVERNMENT, SAVE US FROM OURSELVES WITH ANOTHER MANDATE"

"PLEASE GOVERNMENT, PUNISH THE LARGE EVIL CORPORATE PACKER AND REGULATE THEIR SUCCESS"

Always looking to the government to solve your PERCEIVED problems. Flaming liberals like you make me nauseous.


OCM: "The Japanese cut us off when a CANADIAN cow showed up in the US and Ann Veneman did not notify the Japanese by the proper protocol and did not inform them in a timely manner that the cow was Canadian, like the state vet in Washington already knew before the public announcement. In short, we lost Japan because the USDA bungled it."

The origination of the cow means nothing in light of having traded cattle freely with Canada for many years. The fact remains, she was found here.

Are you going to blame our native BSE case on Canada too?


~SH~
 

HAY MAKER

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Careful SH,remember the last time you started ranting ? You became a financial supporter of the finest cattle mans group in North America..................good luck
 

Sandhusker

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Quote:
Sandbag: "The issue is whether or not allowing testing would of opened the market up faster and wider."


SH, "That's not an issue because Japan is obviously recognizing the science of testing by allowing non tested beef under 24 months."

When a policy leaves 5 billion on the table, allows our competition to get a firm hold, keeps US product from being moved for no valid reason, and then requires that millions more be spent to "regain the trust of the consumers", I'd say there is an issue. If Japan was "recognizing the science" as you claim, there would be need to regain their trust, would there?


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Sandbag: "I have no doubt it would of."


SH, "Because that's what you want to believe. You can't back this position with supporting facts any better than any other position you take. "WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE" by little Sandcheska "

I have no facts? :lol: Fact: Testing is what the Japanese Government used to get the Japanese to get eating their domestic beef again. Fact: the Japanese Provincial Governments keep testing as policy even after the Federal Government ended it because the consumers demanded it. Fact: The Japanese were asking for testing. Fact: Poll after poll showed the majority of Japanese consumers didn't trust our beef and wanted "added assurance".

Don't let facts get in the way of forming an opinion, SH. :roll: :lol:


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Sandbag: "Before you dreamed up this deception laugher, you went on and on about the costs of that $20 test. I'll bet the costs under this system surpass $20/carcass."


SH, "Nothing justifies the consumer deception that you advocate. "

Nice avoidance of addressing the costs, SH.

There's no deception. That's one of the most rediculous things you've ever come up with. Testing is the policy in Japan. They were asking for it. Creekstone said, "BSE testing does not mean BSE free". Just where the hell is the deception? You need to look the word up - you don't know what it means.

Now run along and go play, the adults are trying to talk now.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "When a policy leaves 5 billion on the table, allows our competition to get a firm hold, keeps US product from being moved for no valid reason, and then requires that millions more be spent to "regain the trust of the consumers", I'd say there is an issue."

Oh bull!

It wasn't a "POLICY" that left a "SUPPOSED" 5 billion on the table, IT WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD BSE!

Your talk is so cheap!

BRING ME THE PROOF THAT THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT WAS REQUESTING BSE TESTED BEEF!!!

BRING IT!!!!!

You got nothing but a need to blame!


Sandbag: "If Japan was "recognizing the science" as you claim, there would be need to regain their trust, would there?"

Their distrust for our beef had to do with the fact that we had BSE not because we refused to deceive them with deceptive testing.


Sandbag: "I have no facts?"

That's correct, you have no facts to support your position, PERIOD!

You never have!


Sandbag: "Fact: Testing is what the Japanese Government used to get the Japanese to get eating their domestic beef again."

PROVE IT!

Talk is cheap!

What you want to believe does not become fact because that's what you want to believe.


Sandbag: "Fact: the Japanese Provincial Governments keep testing as policy even after the Federal Government ended it because the consumers demanded it."

If Japanese consumers were "DEMANDING TESTING", THERE WOULD BE NO MARKET FOR NON TESTED IMPORTED BEEF would there?

Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about AGAIN!

No consumer would demand bse tested beef from cattle under 24 months of age with the knowledge that the test they were demanding would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

NO CONSUMER WOULD DEMAND DECEPTIVE TESTING.

Don't be such an idiot!


Sandbag: "Fact: The Japanese were asking for testing."

Again, what you want to believe does not become fact. You have offered no proof that we could have regained that Japanese market with deceptive bse testing.

Some Japanese consumers may have asked for bse tested beef BUT IT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT "BSE TESTED" MEANT "BSE FREE".

As consumers became aware of the fact that bse tested beef from cattle under 24 months of age does not mean bse free, they accepted the science of bse testing rather than the fraud that you were advocating.


Sandbag: "Fact: Poll after poll showed the majority of Japanese consumers didn't trust our beef and wanted "added assurance"."

And you made the leap to believing that this "ADDED ASSURANCE" meant deceptive bse testing in your typical deceptive ways. LOL!


Sandbag: "There's no deception. That's one of the most rediculous things you've ever come up with."

Keep telling yourself that Sandbag. Only an idiot would believe that consumers demanded "bse tested" beef knowing that the tests being used would not reveal bse prions.


Sandbag: "Testing is the policy in Japan. They were asking for it."

That would explain why they are importing nontested beef wouldn't it?


Sandbag: "Creekstone said, "BSE testing does not mean BSE free". Just where the hell is the deception?"

CREEKSTONE NEVER SAID THAT ON THE PACKAGE DID THEY???

CREEKSTONE NEVER ADMITTED THAT TO THE JAPANESE CONSUMER DID THEY?

Creekstone only admitted that to the USDA when pressured to reveal their intentions.

If Creekstone had planned to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT BSE FREE" then there would be no deception. They wanted to capitalize on the fears of Japanese consumers by selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

I can't believe you USDA BLAMERS try to justify consumer fraud. How totally pathetic.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, I'm sorry, but you're a complete idiot. You keep asking for proof, it is given, and then you ask again like it never happened before. You're given facts, and you just ignore them and ask for them again. There's no end to it and thus, no reason to continue.

Clearly, you're not interested in any facts, you just want to argue.

Go away.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "SH, I'm sorry, but you're a complete idiot."

Yeh keep telling yourself that. Sure beats having to back your position with actual proof doesn't it?


Sandbag: "You keep asking for proof, it is given, and then you ask again like it never happened before."

Proof my a$$!

You offer nothing but "OPINIONS" and you think a quote from Veneman is proof that Japanese consumers want bse tested beef WHILE THEIR GOVERNMENT CHANGES THEIR STANCE AND IMPORTS NON TESTED BEEF.

HECK SANDBAG, IGNORE THE ACTIONS OF JAPAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BELIEVE.


Sandbag: "You're given facts, and you just ignore them and ask for them again."

Opinions based on WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE are hardly facts.

Nothing you could provide as "SO CALLED PROOF" can trump the fact that the Japanese government is importing NON TESTED BEEF.


Sandbag: "There's no end to it and thus, no reason to continue."

Understandably!

If I was as "factually void" to back my position as you are, I would have quit a long time ago. What took you so long?


Sandbag: "Clearly, you're not interested in any facts, you just want to argue."

Oh yes, your "OVERWHELMING FACTS" are just so easy to ignore......ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

How can anyone be any dumber than to ignore the fact that Japan is currently importing non tested beef yet claim they want tested beef because that's what USDA "bwamers" want to believe.


~SH~
 
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