Sandbag: "When a policy leaves 5 billion on the table, allows our competition to get a firm hold, keeps US product from being moved for no valid reason, and then requires that millions more be spent to "regain the trust of the consumers", I'd say there is an issue."
Oh bull!
It wasn't a "POLICY" that left a "SUPPOSED" 5 billion on the table, IT WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD BSE!
Your talk is so cheap!
BRING ME THE PROOF THAT THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT WAS REQUESTING BSE TESTED BEEF!!!
BRING IT!!!!!
You got nothing but a need to blame!
Sandbag: "If Japan was "recognizing the science" as you claim, there would be need to regain their trust, would there?"
Their distrust for our beef had to do with the fact that we had BSE not because we refused to deceive them with deceptive testing.
Sandbag: "I have no facts?"
That's correct, you have no facts to support your position, PERIOD!
You never have!
Sandbag: "Fact: Testing is what the Japanese Government used to get the Japanese to get eating their domestic beef again."
PROVE IT!
Talk is cheap!
What you want to believe does not become fact because that's what you want to believe.
Sandbag: "Fact: the Japanese Provincial Governments keep testing as policy even after the Federal Government ended it because the consumers demanded it."
If Japanese consumers were "DEMANDING TESTING", THERE WOULD BE NO MARKET FOR NON TESTED IMPORTED BEEF would there?
Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about AGAIN!
No consumer would demand bse tested beef from cattle under 24 months of age with the knowledge that the test they were demanding would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.
NO CONSUMER WOULD DEMAND DECEPTIVE TESTING.
Don't be such an idiot!
Sandbag: "Fact: The Japanese were asking for testing."
Again, what you want to believe does not become fact. You have offered no proof that we could have regained that Japanese market with deceptive bse testing.
Some Japanese consumers may have asked for bse tested beef BUT IT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT "BSE TESTED" MEANT "BSE FREE".
As consumers became aware of the fact that bse tested beef from cattle under 24 months of age does not mean bse free, they accepted the science of bse testing rather than the fraud that you were advocating.
Sandbag: "Fact: Poll after poll showed the majority of Japanese consumers didn't trust our beef and wanted "added assurance"."
And you made the leap to believing that this "ADDED ASSURANCE" meant deceptive bse testing in your typical deceptive ways. LOL!
Sandbag: "There's no deception. That's one of the most rediculous things you've ever come up with."
Keep telling yourself that Sandbag. Only an idiot would believe that consumers demanded "bse tested" beef knowing that the tests being used would not reveal bse prions.
Sandbag: "Testing is the policy in Japan. They were asking for it."
That would explain why they are importing nontested beef wouldn't it?
Sandbag: "Creekstone said, "BSE testing does not mean BSE free". Just where the hell is the deception?"
CREEKSTONE NEVER SAID THAT ON THE PACKAGE DID THEY???
CREEKSTONE NEVER ADMITTED THAT TO THE JAPANESE CONSUMER DID THEY?
Creekstone only admitted that to the USDA when pressured to reveal their intentions.
If Creekstone had planned to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT BSE FREE" then there would be no deception. They wanted to capitalize on the fears of Japanese consumers by selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".
I can't believe you USDA BLAMERS try to justify consumer fraud. How totally pathetic.
~SH~