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DOC HARRIS

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Sierraman said:
Yes, great Steve. But let me add. Concerning Disagreeable's prophecies- With the thousands of soldiers over there, there is going to be corruption somewhere, therefore duh to your military misdeeds, As for loss of support in the U.S.. There is a gain and a loss of support. Support may be lessened in your view but not everyone else's. There is no civil war, unlike Steve said, its not gettting reported. As for WMD's, good thing you got this post in before we've heard of them being found. (Just thinking here. Do you really think we would know if any WMDs were found, especially if real powerful ones were found, like atomics and hydrogens? How would it be protected from thieves and such while it was secured and transported, and where. If you found a hydrogen bomb in your neighbors house, are you gonna tell all of America, and have them potentially steal it? No, or at least I wouldn't. I'd tell the proper authorities.
Absolutely correct, Sierraman! Profound thoughts. The entire population of the U.S. is thinking like Third Graders in a snowball war at morning recess. I maintain that the WMD's ARE stashed SOMEWHERE! We know Sadam DID have them because he used them on his own people. They are still somewhere. So this continuing blather about "It's a Lie - It's a lie" is "disingenuous" - more likely "disinformation" from - - - - :shock: well - Guess Who? :eek: :eek: - - -Makes for good press and gives :twisted: disagreeable :twisted: something to justify his/her assignments! :???: Hello :shock:
 

Disagreeable

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Steve said:
I've pointed out that everything that I said would happen in the Iraqi war has come to pass. No WMDs, civil war, military mis-deeds, loss of support among the people in the US. All of those things have come about.

I can see by your comment that you are either blind and can't read or plain dillisional,

What civil war? where is there a civil war? when did it happen? where is it at? why has the liberal news media missed it?

It's being reported every day. Our generals on the ground say 90% of the insurrgents are Sunnis and 90% of the attacks are in Shiite neighborhoods. That's a civil war, though so far a one sided one.

as for the Military mis-deeds? I and most Americans Support our troops, and we Unlike your Anti military view, see them as the greatest fighting force in the world. and any deed they have done is far greater then any action I have ever seen attributed to you.

No one supports our troops more than I do. But they are stretched past their limits because of the bad decisions made by the Bush Bunch, just as I predicted months ago. Now that we know our government is talking to the insurrgents, it's going to get worse for the soldiers. Now that the government has said they want to pull out troops next year, it's going to get worse. Eleven more soldiers have been charged with prisoner abuse. They should be charged, tried and convicted if they are abusing prisoners, but the real criminal is George W. Bush for ignoring the advice of professional military leaders and sending them into an unwinnable situation.

I and most Americans Still Support our Military, it seems that those who lost our support never did show a true backing of our great military, which would easily describe you, Hanoi Jane, Lost Kerry, and their band of losers,

You're pitiful, Steve. All you and Doc Harris can do is call names and insult people. You can't defend this war because it's indefensible.

To bad you couldn't predict any of that any better then your prediction that Kerry would win...You were wrong then your wrong now..

And now you're an out and out liar. I never said Kerry would win. I said I hoped he would win but had a tough job ahead because (and I listed these)1. We haven't elected a president from the Senate since JFK; 2. Most sitting presidents are reelected; and 3. Many Americans are reluctant to change leaders during a time of war. You're an out and out liar and it's pitiful that you can't come up with something to justify your support of the war, so you go back to the election.


Bush won, We will win. Your defeatist attitude may have worked in Nam, but we have learned from History, and will overcome with the full force and might or our determined Military.

Some of us learned from history, both the history of Vietnam and Iraq, but the Bush Bunch wasn't paying attention during Vietnam. They were trying their dead level best not to go there. And since they don't bother to listen to military leaders who do know the history of Iraq, we're in a mess.

So keep calling names and bringing up the past, Steve. It won't change a thing. This board is proof that support for the war is waning. There seems to be almost as many anti-Iraqi war people posting here now as Iraqi war supporters.
 

Disagreeable

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Absolutely correct, Sierraman! Profound thoughts. The entire population of the U.S. is thinking like Third Graders in a snowball war at morning recess. I maintain that the WMD's ARE stashed SOMEWHERE! We know Sadam DID have them because he used them on his own people. They are still somewhere. So this continuing blather about "It's a Lie - It's a lie" is "disingenuous" - more likely "disinformation" from - - - - well - Guess Who? - - -Makes for good press and gives disagreeable something to justify his/her assignments! Hello

You can believe what you want to believe, Doc. You obviously don't care if there are any facts to support your beliefs because both of George W. Bush's hand picked weapons inspectors came back from Iraq and said there aren't any WMDs in Iraq. They said Saddam's WMD program was dead in the water, kaput, finis, nada. Now why would they say that if it wasn't true?

In the meantime, we know that North Korea has WMDs. Iran has WMDs. So why hasn't Bush invaded them?
 

Disagreeable

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Sierraman said:
Yes, great Steve. But let me add. Concerning Disagreeable's prophecies- With the thousands of soldiers over there, there is going to be corruption somewhere, therefore duh to your military misdeeds, As for loss of support in the U.S.. There is a gain and a loss of support. Support may be lessened in your view but not everyone else's. There is no civil war, unlike Steve said, its not gettting reported. As for WMD's, good thing you got this post in before we've heard of them being found. (Just thinking here. Do you really think we would know if any WMDs were found, especially if real powerful ones were found, like atomics and hydrogens? How would it be protected from thieves and such while it was secured and transported, and where. If you found a hydrogen bomb in your neighbors house, are you gonna tell all of America, and have them potentially steal it? No, or at least I wouldn't. I'd tell the proper authorities.

No, there has been no gain in the support of this war. Every poll shows Americans are losing confidence in the war. Bush has been taking a beating in the polls for quite a while, except for his ability to handle the "war on terror". But recent polls show even the support of Americans for that is dropping.

Your ignorance of WMDs is laughable. Exactly how many years before you'll be old enough to suit up and go to Iraq?
 

Disagreeable

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The fact that more isn't being done about Iran & North Korea is indeed troubling. However, I'm sure that if we did invade one or both of those countries, you'd complain about that as well.

On another topic, you've implied several times that the Iraqi people themselves want us out. Perhaps many of them do. But read this article from the AP:...

"troubling" :???: If we invaded either of those countries without serious political debate and diplomatic attempts to work with them, yes, I'd be upset. Bush promised to use all diplomatic channels before he invaded Iraq. He lied. He ordered the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq so he could invade. I say it's because he didn't want them to find there were no WMDs, thus shoot down his excuse for invading. Why do you think he ordered them out?

The insurgents are Iraqis. That's why you can't defeat them with guns. Unless we're willing to go in and kill them all, we can't win. And Americans will never support that. Are you proud that your taxdollars are now supporting "death squads" in Iraq?
 

Disagreeable

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So tell me, mp., what's the difference in Saddam's use of torture and murder and the current use of torture and murder to the Iraqi being abused?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Iraq%20Abuse%20Allegations

Iraqis say security forces use torture

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=54350

“Iraq admits abuses by security forces
Iraq's government has acknowledged some of its new security forces were resorting to the sort of torture and abuses of detainees seen under Saddam Hussein as they struggle to put down Sunni Arab insurgents.
Responding to the latest of numerous reports alleging the widespread use of irregular arrests and of violence against prisoners by Iraqi police and other security units, a government spokesman blamed it in part on the brutalising of Iraqi society under Saddam and said ministers were addressing the problem.
"These things happen. We know that," Laith Kubba told a news briefing after a report in Britain's Observer newspaper detailed allegations of death squads and secret torture centres.
"It does not happen because the government approves it or adopts it as policy," he added, saying ministers were worried.
Six months ago, New York-based Human Rights Watch documented what it called "routine and commonplace" abuse by Iraqi forces.
The US and Britain, the main backers of the new government, have voiced concern. Both have been embarrassed by killings and abuse of Iraqis by their own forces after they had justified invasion partly on the grounds of Saddam's repression…”
 

Steve

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what's the difference in Saddam's use of torture and murder and the current use of torture and murder to the Iraqi being abused?

It is simple, While Saddam tortured and killed hundreds of thousands Not one liberal cared,

But when a fledging goverment , shows it is concrned and addressing the problem of abuses on a much smaller scale, (Miniscule in fact), every anti-military liberal screams at the top of thier whiney lungs that the sky is falling.

where you see dispair, I see hope,
 

DOC HARRIS

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Disagreeable said:
Yes, I do think USA could go into other countries and free the people and end the violence. I said could and tnot should, because it would be okay ,but I'm not saying USA is responsible to take crae of violent nations . Other countries should be helping and some do. The USAi s in a war called the war on Terrorism, and frankly, terrorism will probably never end, but that doesn't mean we're not supposed to fight it. So I don't know what you think we should do with terrorists, but I would like to know.

And how much money are you willing to spend to defeat tyrants all across the world? Are you willing to send your own children off to die in North Korea to give freedom to the NK people? Or only other people's children, wives, husbands?

Bush didn't invade Iraq because there were terrorist in Iraq. There were few, if any, terrorist in Iraq when we invaded the country. Since Bush didn't send enough troops and we were unable to secure the borders of Iraq, terrorist from around the world have flocked to Iraq as their best chance to kill (or defeat) Americans. It's a lot easier to get from Yemen to Iraq than from Yemen to the US. Bush will continually try to tie Iraq to 9-11, but it's a lie.

I think anyone convicted of terrorism should be punished according to the law. I don't think holding anyone in jail for years without lawyers or bringing charges is the American way. And the Bush Bunch is doing that, too.
:twisted: disagreeable :twisted: - you are true to form! Ricochet - ask a question to change the subject - and blather "- -IT'S A LIE -it's a lie - - it's a lie - - :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Disagreeable

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Steve said:
what's the difference in Saddam's use of torture and murder and the current use of torture and murder to the Iraqi being abused?

It is simple, While Saddam tortured and killed hundreds of thousands Not one liberal cared,

But when a fledging goverment , shows it is concrned and addressing the problem of abuses on a much smaller scale, (Miniscule in fact), every anti-military liberal screams at the top of thier whiney lungs that the sky is falling.

where you see dispair, I see hope,

You're so full of it, Steve. Anyone with a heart cared about Saddam's treatment of his people. If the Bush Bush had made a case for attacking Iraq to relieve the Iraqi people's suffering, I'd have been willing to give that some consideration. The fact is, though, he lied and made his case on WMDs. I don't know that the Iraqi people are any better off today than they were before the invasion. They sure don't have any more electricity, better water or sewage. They are selling less oil than before the invasion. The killings are continual and random. When parents send their kids out the door, they don't know if they'll see them alive again. I can't imagine the hell they go through every day over there and it's Bush's fault.
 

Sierraman

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[quote/]
No, there has been no gain in the support of this war. Every poll shows Americans are losing confidence in the war. Bush has been taking a beating in the polls for quite a while, except for his ability to handle the "war on terror". But recent polls show even the support of Americans for that is dropping.

Your ignorance of WMDs is laughable. Exactly how many years before you'll be old enough to suit up and go to Iraq?[/quote]

:shock: Wow! MY ignorance on WMDs? Wonder how much knowledge you have of them.Weapons that cause mass destruction are WMDs, unless I missed something. Its stupid to tell me I'm ignorant of them, even if your a know- all, because, I don't have to know much about them to know what they can do, hark hark, mass destruction. As for my age... hmmm... what's yours?

Stupid! Sorry, but it is. Don't say the majority dislike Bush. The majority voted ghim for pres. There, I win on that issue, you lose. Case closed there.
 

Sierraman

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Disagreeable, thank you for telling us we're ignorant. If we really were, we'fd like to know about it. However, it is unnecessary. I'll let you know if I say something stupid. BTW, when will your people come to take you back?, (assuming you're from USA (I just used ignorance, not know where you from)).
 

Sierraman

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Disagreeable, By another Way, do you believe in God? I do. I think, He'd want us to help other countries regardless of opposition. Do you realize how much He's already given to this country? We should be willing to give much for His glory.
 

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