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I suppose that a separation of Church and State is only important to you liberals when you're wanting to keep school kids from praying? Will any of you have the integrity to speak out against this Administration for this type of behavior?

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VALERIE JARRETT RIPS REPUBLICANS AT MLK'S CHURCH, VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE HELD AFTERWARDS

On the Sunday before the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett visited Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta to give a political speech, in support of her boss (Barack Obama) and congressional Democrats

"We all sleep a little better at night knowing Osama Bin Laden and his lieutenants are not plotting a terrorist attack against the United States," she said, eliciting applause from the crowd.

There was also a brief jab at Republicans.

"Teachers, and firefighters, and policemen, whose jobs are now in jeopardy because congress, well let me be specific, because the Republicans in congress ..."
Before she could finish her sentence, people in the congregation were laughing, and applauding.

At the end of Sunday's sermon, after Jarrett had delivered her remarks to the congregation, the church held a voter registration drive.



http://nation.foxnews.com/valerie-jarrett/2012/01/16/did-valerie-jarrett-campaign-church
 
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Newt Gingrich courts churchgoers in South Carolina


Republican presidential candidate and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich delivers a campaign address Saturday at Jones Memorial AME Zion Church in Colulmbia, S.C. (Matt Rourke / Associated Press)

Sunday, Jan. 15, 2012
Conservative leaders endorse Santorum, hope to boost his S.C. campaign
By ADAM BEAM - Print


A group of about 150 leaders from evangelical conservative groups across the country have endorsed Rick Santorum for president, vowing to support him financially in the week before the pivotal South Carolina Republican primary.
“You will see these organizations engaging openly on his behalf -- especially in the state of South Carolina,” Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told reporters on a conference call Saturday afternoon.
Santorum has been struggling with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich for the support of South Carolina evangelical conservatives. Shortly after the Iowa caucuses, polls showed Santorum and Gingrich in a dead heat behind front-runner Mitt Romney. But three polls released Friday showed Santorum had fallen to third and, in one poll, fourth place.


The conservative group, which met at a private ranch outside of Houston, voted three times on who to support for president. Support fluctuated between Santorum and Gingrich, Perkins said, before more than two-thirds voted for Santorum.In the final tally, Santorum received 85 votes out of 114 -- a smaller total because Perkins said some voters had left to catch flights.

So are you saying religious folks shouldn't be able to support and speak out supporting a candidate?... The candidates seem do it.... The Churchleaders seem to do it...

Or would you discriminate against government workers 1st Amendment rights and/or their rights to campaign for and vote for their chosen candidate ?
 

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Oldtimer said:
So are you saying religious folks shouldn't be able to support and speak out supporting a candidate?... The candidates seem do it.... The Churchleaders seem to do it...
I'm saying that if a separation of Church and State is really important to you liberals, that you should be just as vocal about it in cases like this as you are when schoolkids want to pray at school.

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Or would you discriminate against government workers 1st Amendment rights and/or their rights to campaign for and vote for their chosen candidate ?
Nobody should use the bully pulpit of the President's office to speak out against political opponents at a church and then have a voter registration drive at the church afterwards. But, I suppose that's okay with you?
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
So are you saying religious folks shouldn't be able to support and speak out supporting a candidate?... The candidates seem do it.... The Churchleaders seem to do it...
I'm saying that if a separation of Church and State is really important to you liberals, that you should be just as vocal about it in cases like this as you are when schoolkids want to pray at school.

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Or would you discriminate against government workers 1st Amendment rights and/or their rights to campaign for and vote for their chosen candidate ?
Nobody should use the bully pulpit of the President's office to speak out against political opponents at a church and then have a voter registration drive at the church afterwards. But, I suppose that's okay with you?

Sounds to me like this was organized by the Church if they were lined up to have a voter registration after the service...Was she invited to speak?...Incumbent candidates or their staff are often invited to speak at public events- including Church..

Is it alright for Newt to go campaigning in a church? Or do we have double standards?

Like I said- just because you work for the government- rather you be the Presidents advisor or the city streetcleaner - the 1st Amendment allows you to speak out in favor of your candidate- and/or support/vote for whoever you want to..

Or does the Constitution only pertain to the issues you support- and guarantee rights to folks that think like you do :???:
 

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I'm just glad to see Obama et al finding religion again. :D


He's attended church more often in the last month than the last 3 years...... :lol:


It's going to take more than that to be forgiven.........
 

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Jarret's partisan speech may have breeched IRS "Church & State" rules. Only problem is there's no one in the Buckwheat Admin. that will investigate.
 

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Hiring teachers is at the discretion of local school boards. Hiring police and firemen is at the discretion of the local municipalities. The Federal Government should have NO involvement in any of these jobs. This administration's habitual dishonesty and playing upon the IGNORANCE of it's supporters infuriorates me and makes me sick. Idiots cheering criminals.
 

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Texan said:
I suppose that a separation of Church and State is only important to you liberals when you're wanting to keep school kids from praying? Will any of you have the integrity to speak out against this Administration for this type of behavior?

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VALERIE JARRETT RIPS REPUBLICANS AT MLK'S CHURCH, VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE HELD AFTERWARDS

On the Sunday before the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett visited Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta to give a political speech, in support of her boss (Barack Obama) and congressional Democrats

"We all sleep a little better at night knowing Osama Bin Laden and his lieutenants are not plotting a terrorist attack against the United States," she said, eliciting applause from the crowd.

There was also a brief jab at Republicans.

"Teachers, and firefighters, and policemen, whose jobs are now in jeopardy because congress, well let me be specific, because the Republicans in congress ..."
Before she could finish her sentence, people in the congregation were laughing, and applauding.

At the end of Sunday's sermon, after Jarrett had delivered her remarks to the congregation, the church held a voter registration drive.



http://nation.foxnews.com/valerie-jarrett/2012/01/16/did-valerie-jarrett-campaign-church


Question Texan: How do you keep anyone from praying anytime they want to in America??
 

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12 Washington State High School Students Suspended for Public Prayer Group

VANCOUVER, Washington, March 6, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A number of students who formed an interdenominational prayer group at a Washington state high school were expelled by the administration last week over their refusal to hold a morning prayer session in a closed room, The Columbian reported March 2.

Twelve students at Heritage High School in Vancouver, WA, were suspended last Friday after continuing to meet for morning prayer in the commons area of the school, despite a faculty order that they stop causing physical "disruption" to student traffic with public prayer.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1970/30/7030609

"Someone saw what the students had done, reported it to the authorities there at the college, and the students were then expelled, suspended from the school for a number of days simply and solely because they were caught praying for a teacher," he explains.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=489188involves an incident at the College of Alameda, where two students stopped and prayed for an ailing teacher.

N.Y. teens suspended for Tebowing in school hallway

On Wednesday, a group of high school athletes at a Long Island school were suspended for staging a spontaneous bout of Tebowing in their high school's hallway.

According to Connor Carroll, a senior at Riverhead (N.Y.) High on the North Fork of Long Island, the Riverhead administration handed out one-day suspensions to four student athletes after a group of Riverhead students decided to spontaneously hold a group Tebowing session in the school.

While as many as 40 teens (with some participants representing nearly each athletic program in the school) joined in on the spontaneous in-school Tebowing, only four -- Carroll and his brother, Tyler Carroll, both of whom are football and baseball players, as well as Wayne Drexel (also a football player) and Jordan Fulcoly (a soccer player) -- were handed one-day suspensions for what can only be described as somewhat specious reasons: Blocking the school's hallways.

"The administration told us that our Tebowing was blocking the halls and could potentially cause a riot,

"We had no idea that we could get suspended for such a thing. ,...
We figured at the most we would just be told to stop."
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/N-Y-teens-suspended-for-Tebowing-in-school-hall?urn=highschool-wp9989

well in a few short seconds.. three examples of how you discourage/stop praying..


one word gets out you can't pray... without fear of punishment, you have effectively kept the students from praying..
 
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Do you have to "Tebow" (which he stole from the PBR bullriders and PRCA cowboys) or have a public group demonstration to pray :???:
 

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Oldtimer said:
Do you have to "Tebow" (which he stole from the PBR bullriders and PRCA cowboys) or have a public group demonstration to pray :???:

You are wrong again. What Tebow is doing has been done for generations. He did not steal it from anyone. The media is the one to make a big deal out of his personal moment.
 

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do not expect oldtimer to realize that it was done like that LONG before PBR
RCA, and or PRCA, lets take it back to at least JOAN of ARC, anmd any and all leaders heading into battle or a victory
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Surely you are not that DENSE oldtimer!!!!!!
Well maybe :D :D :D :D
 

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Oldtimer said:
Do you have to "Tebow" (which he stole from the PBR bullriders and PRCA cowboys) or have a public group demonstration to pray :???:

lest see.. one example was "two" girls praying quietly

one was a prayer group..

and the last was four boys.. who said it just grew, ...

what makes a group demonstration.. two? four?..

what we have is kids doing something positive.. and all the liberals can do is find a way to criticize them..
 

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Sounds to me like this was organized by the Church if they were lined up to have a voter registration after the service...Was she invited to speak?...Incumbent candidates or their staff are often invited to speak at public events- including Church..

Is it alright for Newt to go campaigning in a church? Or do we have double standards?

Like I said- just because you work for the government- rather you be the Presidents advisor or the city streetcleaner - the 1st Amendment allows you to speak out in favor of your candidate- and/or support/vote for whoever you want to..

Or does the Constitution only pertain to the issues you support- and guarantee rights to folks that think like you do :???:
It's always good for a laugh, Oldtimer, when YOU accuse somebody else of having a double standard. :lol:

Newt isn't an employee of the Executive Branch on official business, so I don't really care what he does. But, President Obama sent several of his minions out to make appearances for MLK day. Those shouldn't have been used to make political points, should they?
 

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Democrats Desecrate Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Legacy

Posted: January 16, 2012 4:22 PM

Americans celebrate Martin Luther King, Jr.’s birthday to honor his contributions to our Republic. His struggle against racial prejudice and discrimination brought the words of the Founders–“that all men are created equal”–to true fruition.

Dr. King used non-violent protest, and an appeal to universal principles, to bring Americans together. His birthday should be a holiday that unites us.

Instead, Democrats are using it to divide Americans.

Consider the sermon offered by White House adviser Valerie Jarrett yesterday, at the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta where Dr. King preached. She told the audience: “Teachers, and firefighters, and policemen, whose jobs are now in jeopardy because Congress–well let me be specific–because [of] the Republicans in Congress.”

Those in the audience laughed and applauded at Jarret’s brazen–and false–partisan attack.

Democrats have rewritten the history of the civil rights struggle to portray Republicans as the villains, when in fact most segregationists were Democrats. Republicans, in fact, voted for civil rights laws in greater proportions than Democrats. Moreover, Dr. King himself had been a Republican. Regardless, Dr. King was careful not to divide Americans along party lines in his struggle for justice–nor would he approve of it today.

Another Obama administration official who is exploiting Dr. King’s memory for political gain is Attorney General Eric Holder, who used the holiday to renew his attack on voter ID laws in South Carolina, falsely claiming they are racially discriminatory.

It is Holder, in fact, who practices racial discrimination by refusing to apply voting laws equally, notably in the New Black Panther Party case, an open-and-shut example of voter intimidation.

Holder appears to be coordinating his battle against voter ID laws with the (NAACP), which likewise exploited Martin Luther King, Jr. Day for political purposes. (The NAACP is not non-partisan when it comes to voting rights; it only cares about Democrats, as I learned firsthand last July.)

Dr. King cared passionately about voting rights, but never would have condoned voter fraud, which does occur and which voter ID laws–likewise passed by Democrats, whom the NAACP is not targeting–aim to prevent.

Perhaps most insidious of all is the effort by Democrats and their radical allies in the Occupy movement to turn Dr. King’s legacy into an opportunity to set the “99 percent” against the “1 percent.” That was the message at “Occupy the Dream” services in Chicago, where one incendiary pastor even encouraged people to seize homes.

It is true that Dr. King turned his attention to poverty, in Chicago and elsewhere, in the years before he was brutally cut down. He pushed for an end to residential segregation, and for the introduction of open-housing laws.

But Dr. King would never have advocated theft or violence to property. And though he favored economic redistribution, Dr. King opposed the violent tactics, bigotry and criminality often seen at Occupy demonstrators.

There is no doubt that Dr. King would have seen the election of America’s first black president as a partial fulfillment of his dream. But he would have rejected the divisive rhetoric of the Obama administration, which is stoking class resentment and playing up past racial divisions for political gain.

Attorney General Holder once called America a nation of racial “cowards.” On Dr. King’s birthday, let us celebrate his courage–and ours.


http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/feeditem/democrats-desecrate-martin-luther-king-jr%E2%80%99s-legacy
 

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Question Texan: How do you keep anyone from praying anytime they want to in America??
If a kid in public school wants to pray out loud, will that be permitted? I think we both know the answer to that.

When I was a kid, we all started off the school day with a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance. But, you liberals/socialists have stopped all of that. And all you have to do is to look around you at the young people these days to realize that it wasn't any societal improvement to do so.
 

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TSR said:
Question Texan: How do you keep anyone from praying anytime they want to in America??
If a kid in public school wants to pray out loud, will that be permitted? I think we both know the answer to that.

When I was a kid, we all started off the school day with a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance. But, you liberals/socialists have stopped all of that. And all you have to do is to look around you at the young people these days to realize that it wasn't any societal improvement to do so.


Oh I didn't know for prayer to be considered prayer it had to be aloud. This is why you can never stop anyone from praying anytime, anywhere. We better get this straightened out in all the church services in America. :shock: Personal relationships aren't necessarily meant to be exposed--they are just that, personal, imo. I have seen lots of people go to the alter to pray, I have yet to see one pray aloud. Yes, there are leaders of prayer who pray aloud but the congregation most of the time is silently praying along with the leader in the church services I've been to.
 
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