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Dittmer's "anti-beef" groups

Sandhusker

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Here's the websites. Where's the anti-beef message? Bill, SH, Tam? Shouldn't an anti-beef outfit say something to the effect of "Don't eat beef"?

www.citizen.org
www.consumerfed.org
www.consumersunion.org
 

Bill

Well-known member
It isn't just Dittmer that calle them anti-beef.

Joe Roybal BEEF MAGAZINE:
“Well, they said they were ‘consumer’ groups.”
In a bid to advance its isolationist agenda, R-CALF hooked up in June with anti-beef groups — Public Citizen, Consumer Federation of America and the Consumers Union — for a Washington, D.C., press conference. The purpose was to denounce USDA's handling of the BSE situation.

When criticized about the wisdom of allying with outfits that have long campaigned to cut beef from the federal school lunch program and out of American diets, R-CALF condemned the industry critics for “attacking our nation's largest consumer groups.”

http://beef-mag.com/mag/beef_turkeys_2/
Now spin it Sandhusker and tell us how BEEF MAGAZINE is a one man foundation, aren't credible and all your usual BS.

Answer the question from the other thread. "Once R-CALF has helped "consumer" groups the likes of Ralph Nader's Public Citizen, Carol Tucker Foreman's Consumer Federation Of America, and the Consumer Union dispense with Canada, what's to prevent these anti-meat groups from going after the domestic beef industry."
 

Bill

Well-known member
Here is a little more detail Sandhusker from

COW-CALF WEEKLY:
Our Perspective
R-CALF Forced To Defend Anti-Meat Groups
R-CALF found itself in the unenviable position this week of having to defend anti-beef groups in the wake of widespread criticism of its press event last week in Washington. During that event, which R-CALF held in tandem with Ralph Nader's Public Citizen group, Carol Tucker Foreman's Consumer Federation Of America, and the Consumer Union, the four groups denounced USDA's handling of the BSE situation, questioned the safety of beef, and called for government hearings on the matter.

In a letter circulated this week and presumably alluding to the BEEF Cow-Calf Weekly piece, "R-CALF Adds To Its Pile Of Blunders," in last week's issue, R-CALF patriarch Leo McDonnell struck out against industry criticism of what he charitably calls "consumer groups." To R-CALF, it's apparently only acceptable to trash your own family in public.

"Attacking our nations (sic) largest consumer groups, such as the Consumer Federation of America and the Consumer Union, with these kinds of hateful undertones undermines the hundred of millions of dollars U.S. cattle producers have invested to improve demand and improve consumer relationships," McDonnell wrote.

The logic of the charge is so blatantly perverse, it frankly leaves us speechless.

For the record, here is a bio on each of the groups whose sensibilities McDonnell is apparently so wary of offending:


The Consumer Federation of America (CFA) opposes irradiation for food safety and has pushed for the reduction of beef in the school lunch program. CFA's leader, Carol Tucker Foreman, is well-known for her anti-beef rhetoric and efforts to stir up the hysteria about the safety of our product.


The Consumer Union (CU), along with CFA, have been two of the leading groups pushing since Dec. 23, 2003, the message that beef is unsafe. CU and its "leader," Michael Hansen, have also led the crusade against biotechnology and GMOs.

In fact, former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop once referred to Hansen's rhetoric this way: "Unfortunately, a few fringe groups are using misleading statements and blatant falsehoods as part of a long-running campaign to scare consumers about a perfectly safe food ... it is necessary to condemn these attacks ... for what they are: baseless, manipulative and completely irresponsible."


Then there's Public Citizen (PC), which gains its supposed credibility through founder Ralph Nader. But PC is best known for its membership in the Global Safe Food Alliance, formed by such animal rights organizations as Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, the Western Organization of Resource Councils, Farm Sanctuary, etc., to put out anti-meat messages. If you want more information on PC, just go to its Web site at www.citizen.org/, check out the "Meatrix" at www.themeatrix.com/ or the report "Jungle 2000" at http://www.whistleblower.org/uploads/The%20Jungle%202000%20-.PDF.
It's unfortunate that R-CALF leadership doesn't attach a similar level of respect and sensitivity toward the beef industry and the hardworking folks who are a part of it by more carefully selecting its comrades-in-arms. Crawling into bed with those who have long campaigned for the beef industry's demise just to promote your agenda doesn't benefit anyone but the anti-meat groups, which likely gained considerable credibility as "consumer groups" as a result of the act. Only the beef industry got screwed.
-- Joe Roybal

http://www.industryclick.com/Microsites/Index.asp?pageid=9230&srid=11116&magazineid=&siteid=
 

Bill

Well-known member
How about this one Sandhusker?

For immediate release

July 21, 2004

For more information, contact:

Wade Moser, NDSA executive vice president

Julie Schaff Ellingson, NDSA communications director

(701) 223-2522 • [email protected]

Jeff Dahl, NDSA president • (701) 485-3762





Stockmen’s Association calls on R-CALF

to sever ties with anti-beef groups



“The North Dakota Stockmen’s Association (NDSA) has a 75-year reputation of being a credible source of cattle industry information and policy,” said NDSA President Jeff Dahl of Gackle, N.D. That’s why the NDSA Board of Directors is dissatisfied with R-CALF USA, one of its national organizations, for partnering with some less-than-credible associations that poke holes in the industry’s cause and reputation, he said.

In a resolution passed at their meeting July 14 in Mandan, N.D., NDSA board members directed R-CALF USA officials to: 1) Stop their association with and distance themselves from groups that have a history of promoting anti-beef industry agendas; 2) Use sound science in their press releases and statements; and 3) Immediately stop making damaging statements that will lead to the erosion of consumer confidence in the U.S. beef supply; by Oct. 1, 2004, or the NDSA will withdraw its affiliation.

Specifically, the Board rejected R-CALF’s partnership with the Consumer Federation of America, Consumer Policy Institute and Public Citizen in blasting American efforts to protect the U.S. cattle herd and beef supply in regards to BSE and confusing consumers about the threat of the disease in this country.

The NDSA is concerned about the quality of R-CALF’s company, since the Consumer Federation of America has been a vocal supporter of plant-based diets and has muddied the waters of truth about irradiation and American food safety standards. The Former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop referred to cancer scare claims regarding biotechnology by the Consumer Policy Institute’s Michael Hansen as “baseless, manipulative and completely irresponsible ... and as part of a long-running campaign to scare consumers about perfectly safe food.” Public Citizen likewise has a long list of anti-beef moves and has aligned itself with such radical animal rights activists as the Animal Welfare Institute and Farm Sanctuary.

“The NDSA believes strongly in most of the work R-CALF USA accomplishes on behalf of cow-calf producers around the nation. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t have invested some of our members’ dollars to become affiliate members for the last three years, and we wouldn’t care what the organization did or with whom,” Dahl explained. “However, as affiliate members, we believe it is our right – and responsibility – to speak up when North Dakota cattlemen have concerns.”

Dahl has already made contact with R-CALF USA President Leo McDonnell of Columbus, Mont., to schedule a meeting next month where directors of both organizations can discuss – and hopefully resolve – any differences.

This is not the first time the NDSA has taken a national organization to task for not representing its members as the NDSA saw fit. It passed a similar resolution calling on the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association to improve its cow-calf representation in 1999.

“Stockmen’s members were pleased with the progress we made at that time, and we’re confident we will be able to work out our concerns with R-CALF as well,” Dahl said. “In the end, we all have the same goals in mind.”

In other business at the meeting July 14, the NDSA Board of Directors approved a bylaw change to increase member participation in voting. The change, which is effective at the upcoming NDSA Convention Sept. 23-25 in Medora, N.D., will allow members to vote at any time during the convention after nominations close. Stockmen’s leaders also discussed the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s BSE surveillance testing, the State Health Department’s animal-feeding operation rules, zoning issues, irradiation workshops, prairie dog management and more.

Are you going to tell us that NDSA is a one man foundation and not credible either Sandhusker?
:roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
You've got quotes of people's opinions and comments about food safety in general. I would think an anti anything group would be conveying that message someplace on their website. You couldn't find it, could you? Either they're not anti-beef or they're really dropping the ball getting their message out.
 

Bill

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So your saying Wade Moser and the folks at NDSA along with Joe Roybal are out to lunch too? Read it again. They call them anti-beef so how much simpler can they express their opinions of the orgs? If you say Dittmer is wrong on that lable then so are Wade and the board of NSDA.

Sure is hard to spin this one when others agree with Dittmer isn't it Sadhusker.

Would you call Oprah anti-Beef and is there anything on her web-site?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Bill said:
So your saying Wade Moser and the folks at NDSA along with Joe Roybal are out to lunch too? Read it again. They call them anti-beef so how much simpler can they express their opinions of the orgs? If you say Dittmer is wrong on that lable then so are Wade and the board of NSDA.

Sure is hard to spin this one when others agree with Dittmer isn't it Sadhusker.

Would you call Oprah anti-Beef and is there anything on her web-site?

Having a hard time finding those "anti-beef" groups actually saying anything anti-beef? :roll: :lol: :lol:

Maybe they're using reverse psyche? :shock:
 

Bill

Well-known member
Actually I haven't even looked but I am sure Roybal, Moser and the NDSA directors researched it and are accountable for what they write.
Sure is the pits when you can't slam them like you do Dittmer huh Sadhusker.

Yep the next thing you know R-Klan will be wanting Oprah as the Beef poster girl and I am sure Sadhusker will support and argue for that one as well.

After all wasn't she just concerned about the consumer as well?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
 

TimH

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
So your saying Wade Moser and the folks at NDSA along with Joe Roybal are out to lunch too? Read it again. They call them anti-beef so how much simpler can they express their opinions of the orgs? If you say Dittmer is wrong on that lable then so are Wade and the board of NSDA.

Sure is hard to spin this one when others agree with Dittmer isn't it Sadhusker.

Would you call Oprah anti-Beef and is there anything on her web-site?

Having a hard time finding those "anti-beef" groups actually saying anything anti-beef? :roll: :lol: :lol:

Maybe they're using reverse psyche? :shock:

Copy and paste the following into Google....

"Carol Tucker Foreman" + beef

You'll get 13,500 hits.......... take your pick and decide for yourself. :roll: :roll:
 

fedup2

Well-known member
TimH writes: Copy and paste the following into Google....

"Carol Tucker Foreman" + beef

You'll get 13,500 hits.......... take your pick and decide for yourself.
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Just wondering what that proves Tim.

Copy and paste the following into google

Canada BSE

You will get 1,350,000. :shock:

If you believe your google hits mean anything, mine should scare the hell out of everyone! :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

TimH

Well-known member
fedup2 said:
TimH writes: Copy and paste the following into Google....

"Carol Tucker Foreman" + beef

You'll get 13,500 hits.......... take your pick and decide for yourself.
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Just wondering what that proves Tim.

Copy and paste the following into google

Canada BSE

You will get 1,350,000. :shock:

If you believe your google hits mean anything, mine should scare the hell out of everyone! :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I never said it would prove anything, F-edUp. Thats why I included the phrase "decide for yourself". How many hits would you get with "USA + BSE"?
How's that tear duct problem of your's coming along?? Have you tried an estrogen supplement?? :)
 

fedup2

Well-known member
The tear duct problem is a lot better since you've taken a break. I found it was very sensitive to people who write pure bull$hit. Thats why my eyes water whenever you or sh post!

Your first post was pure bullsh!t & your second was even stupider. :cry:

Geeze, now you've done it again! :wink:
 

TimH

Well-known member
fedup2 said:
The tear duct problem is a lot better since you've taken a break. I found it was very sensitive to people who write pure bull$hit. Thats why my eyes water whenever you or sh post!

Your first post was pure bullsh!t & your second was even stupider. :cry:

Geeze, now you've done it again! :wink:

Really??? Exactly what part of my first post was "pure bullsh!t"???
Please be specific so I can be sure I do not repeat my error. :roll:
 

Tam

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I googled USA BSE and got 1,370,000 hits. First one that came up was
Mad Cow Disease in the US. Mad Cow USA ! 300000 'Downer' Cattle Die in U.S.. Exclusive Interview with Michael Greger · Oprah: "We're all going to get it!" ...

Hey Sandhusker is Bill right is Oprah going to be the next media attracting entity that R-CALF is going to hook their little train to? :wink:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Bill said:
Actually I haven't even looked but I am sure Roybal, Moser and the NDSA directors researched it and are accountable for what they write.
Sure is the pits when you can't slam them like you do Dittmer huh Sadhusker.

Yep the next thing you know R-Klan will be wanting Oprah as the Beef poster girl and I am sure Sadhusker will support and argue for that one as well.

After all wasn't she just concerned about the consumer as well?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Is there a magic number where when so many people say something, it becomes true?

Come on, Bill, Tam. Where is an actual anti-beef statement from these anti-beef groups?
 

Tam

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Actually I haven't even looked but I am sure Roybal, Moser and the NDSA directors researched it and are accountable for what they write.
Sure is the pits when you can't slam them like you do Dittmer huh Sadhusker.

Yep the next thing you know R-Klan will be wanting Oprah as the Beef poster girl and I am sure Sadhusker will support and argue for that one as well.

After all wasn't she just concerned about the consumer as well?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Is there a magic number where when so many people say something, it becomes true?

Come on, Bill, Tam. Where is an actual anti-beef statement from these anti-beef groups?

Do you know what is funny Sandhusker, when we have misinformation about our industry we are expected to correct it (aren't we Oldtimer :wink: ) and get a retraction. So I ask you, have you ever contacted these US MEDIA PERSONEL and prove to them where they are wrong and demanded a retraction of any kind? IF not WHY NOT? Maybe if your media personel weren't pointing out the fact they see them as ANTI BEEF we wouldn't see them as ANTI BEEF. :roll:
 
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Hahaha! What a typical Sandcheska spin job. Now the actions of these organizations, such as trying to remove beef from the school lunch program, is not "anti beef". According to Little Sandcheska, in order for these organizations to be consideredd "anti beef" they have to state, "WE ARE ANTI BEEF". Hahaha! What a blind follower of the gospel according to R-CULT.

Kinda like the lip service from R-CULT stating that R-CULT has nothing against the Canadian producer (subliminal - just their cattle).

If this post doesn't tell you how Little Sandcheska has no shame in defending R-CULT's endless blunders, no post will but hey, he's got his little support group. Bring him another glass of water Fed Up.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Actually I haven't even looked but I am sure Roybal, Moser and the NDSA directors researched it and are accountable for what they write.
Sure is the pits when you can't slam them like you do Dittmer huh Sadhusker.

Yep the next thing you know R-Klan will be wanting Oprah as the Beef poster girl and I am sure Sadhusker will support and argue for that one as well.

After all wasn't she just concerned about the consumer as well?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Is there a magic number where when so many people say something, it becomes true?

Come on, Bill, Tam. Where is an actual anti-beef statement from these anti-beef groups?

Do you know what is funny Sandhusker, when we have misinformation about our industry we are expected to correct it (aren't we Oldtimer :wink: ) and get a retraction. So I ask you, have you ever contacted these US MEDIA PERSONEL and prove to them where they are wrong and demanded a retraction of any kind? IF not WHY NOT? Maybe if your media personel weren't pointing out the fact they see them as ANTI BEEF we wouldn't see them as ANTI BEEF. :roll:

You think Dittmer would retract? :lol: When you have misinformation about our industry, you shouldn't spread it. You also should question anything else the BSer has to write about. Yet, 'ol Bill will post anything that idiot has say just as soon as he says it.....

You still looking, Bill? :lol: :lol:
 
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Sandcheska: "Yet, 'ol Bill will post anything that idiot has say just as soon as he says it....."

You haven't disproven a thing that Dittmer has stated yet. Instead, you try to spin his statements about Consumers Union, Consumer Federation of America, and Public Citizen into "SUPPOSEDLY" being statements about R-CULT. That's how desperate you are.

Is Joe Roybal from BEEF magazine an idiot too????

He came to the same conclusion that Dittmer and many other cattle producers came to.

R-CULT has no shame in standing hand in hand with "SUPPOSED" consumer groups whose agenda is to hurt the beef industry when it fits their immediate agenda. The end (stopping Canadian imports) justifies the means (questioning the safety of beef once bse is found in your native herd).

Oh that's right, you guys are in the "cattle industry" not the "beef industry" right? What hurts the "beef industry" must only hurt the "beef industry" huh? R-CULT logic!

If you want to defend R-CULT's position here, why don't you explain to the readers the difference between the bse precautionary measures in Canada and the bse precautionary measures in the US that would justify R-CULT's hypocritical stance that Canadian beef is "high risk" and "contaminated" due to having bse in their native herd while the US has the "safest beef in the world" due to our precautionary measures".

Let's see you defend R-CULT's position Little Sandcheska. What has the US done to protect themselves from BSE that Canada has not done?

Sandcheska knows better than to try to defend R-CULT's position. Trust me, he'll avoid that question like the plague.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Blah, blah, blah. Lots of jowl flopping, but nothing actually from these "anti-beef" outfits. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dang, but wouldn't an anti-anything group actually say something themselves about what they are against? :shock:
 
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