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Do they even listen

Tam

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I don't understand why the Republicans are just sitting back and doing nothing. For months all we have heard Democrats doing to defend Obamacare is saying Republicans say they want to repeal and replace Obamacare but with what. The Republicans have yet to put A plan on the table.

And they are right in a way, the Republicans have not put "a plan" on the table they have put lots of IDEAS on the table, but what they need to do is sit down at the table and hash out a solid PLAN that they can take to the voters but it does not seem like Boehner and McConnell care to have a plan as they seem to think they can just ride the coat tails of hate for Obamacare into majority power.

THEY NEED A PLAN AND THEY NEED IT YESTERDAY so that when the Dems hit them with you don't have a plan they can hit them back with a bullet point plan and make them eat their words.

We all know Reid will never take a Republican passed bill up in the Senate to fix Obamacare as he doesn't think anything needs to be fix as he believes all the horror stories are nothing but a bunch of FOX News Lies, but Boehner need to pass something and if Reid doesn't take it up and Obama threatens to veto it, then that will prove it is the Dems that are still supporting the bill they passed even though it is destroying the US healthcare system one canceled policy at a time. Boehnor can't just sit back and give his party's candidate nothing to run on. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Obamacare- the general concept of the insurance mandate for all individuals or business's to provide insurance or pay a fine/penalty so in that way all could be covered was/has been the Republicans/Conservatives plan since the mid 1970's...
So now that the country/Congress has adapted the Republican concept- Repubs are at a loss for any other....
I don't believe Obamacare can be repealed at this stage of the game.. And still believe if both sides of the aisle put there heads together and worked toward what is best for the country with the plan- it could be a major benefit to the country- altho the big rewards may not be seen for 10-20 years... Anyway that's what the Republicans said with it when it was their plan- and they were promoting it rather than Universal health care (Hillarycare)...
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Just more blather from oldtimer,,, and his way to blame ANYONE but obama and the dems :roll: :roll:


http://freebeacon.com/each-obamacare-enrollee-costs-taxpayers-14000/

and then this
http://freebeacon.com/obamacare-forces-michigan-hospital-to-cut-jobs/

more
http://www.fa-mag.com/news/as-obamacare-hikes-medicaid-bills--insurers-shift-cost-to-taxpayers-16927.html

Surprised oldtimer????
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Obamacare- the general concept of the insurance mandate for all individuals or business's to provide insurance or pay a fine/penalty so in that way all could be covered was/has been the Republicans/Conservatives plan since the mid 1970's...
So now that the country/Congress has adapted the Republican concept- Repubs are at a loss for any other....
I don't believe Obamacare can be repealed at this stage of the game.. And still believe if both sides of the aisle put there heads together and worked toward what is best for the country with the plan- it could be a major benefit to the country- altho the big rewards may not be seen for 10-20 years... Anyway that's what the Republicans said with it when it was their plan- and they were promoting it rather than Universal health care (Hillarycare)...

Since you are a big C-Span watcher, you MUST have seen it the days when the Senate Committee was debating, offering amendments to ObamaCare and voting different ideas up or down?

Well, in case you didn't, there were many, many good and helpful amendments offered by Republicans and not one was allowed by the Dems. NOT ONE!!!!!

Now, not only can Buckwheat offer his amendments to the plan, he can now change them at will without a vote of Congress. Surely you can't agree with this type of dictatorship.

They are ALL approaching this the wrong way. This is not Health Care Reform, it's Health Insurance Reform. Big difference. :roll:
 

Steve

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in one sense they were right.. without a mandate it will fail.. time is proving this point correct.. and they even had the wisdom to realize it was a bad idea and it was never approved or made into law..

This debate has come up many times.. and after looking at the consequences of the idea the republicans ruled it out and shelved it..


gee the latest lame liberal tactic..

blame it on the republicans who LOOKED at the IDEA back in the 70's and after thoughtful debate RULED IT OUT as not in the best interest of the United States..




honestly can't you guys just try to defend what you did.. instead of dredging up old policy discussions that were shelved 40+ years ago?

you liberals really need to stop living in the past.. :roll: :roll: :? :???: :roll: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Unfortunately, many of the same interests that spread myths about "death panels" are using their spotlight to rewrite the history of the legislation. On a recent cable news show, the hosts repeatedly suggested that the Republican Party was shut out of negotiations over the Affordable Care Act.

Far from it.

Despite the partisan vote on the bill, the fact is that the Affordable Care Act was a product of exhaustive bipartisan compromise. Indeed, some of the most important provisions in the bill were actually GOP ideas:
•A high-risk pool for uninsured people with preexisting conditions
•Allowing insurance companies to sell coverage across state lines
•Pools where the self-employed and small businesses could buy insurance


In February, The Washington Post's Ezra Klein described in detail how all four health care planks on the GOP's Solutions for America website were incorporated into the bill. In fact, even the individual mandate itself has a strong history of support within the Republican Party, including from the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney and Chuck Grassley.

Media Matters reported the following numbers about Republican involvement in the Affordable Care Act over the past 18 months:


According to a HELP Committee document about bipartisan aspects of the health reform bill the committee passed July 15, 2009, its final bill included "161 Republican amendments," including "several amendments from Senators [Mike] Enzi [R-WY], [Tom] Coburn [R-OK], [Pat] Roberts [R-KS] and others [that] make certain that nothing in the legislation will allow for rationing of care," and reflected the efforts of "six bipartisan working groups" that "met a combined 72 times" in 2009 as well as "30 bipartisan hearings on health care reform" since 2007, half of which were held in 2009 [HELP Committee document, 7/09]. And according to the Senate Finance Committee's September 22, 2009, document detailing the amendments to the Chairman's Mark considered, at least 13 amendments sponsored by one or more Republican senators were included in the bill.

It's always unfortunate to see more misinformation on the Affordable Care Act, but it should serve as a good reminder to everyone that it's more important than ever to spread the truth about the health care bill.


That said, some context: Of the 788 amendments filed, 67 came from Democrats and 721 from Republicans. (That disparity drew jeers that Republicans were trying to slow things down. Another explanation may be that they offered so many so they could later claim—as they are now, in fact, claiming—that most of their suggestions went unheeded.) Only 197 amendments were passed in the end—36 from Democrats and 161 from Republicans. And of those 161 GOP amendments, Senate Republicans classify 29 as substantive and 132 as technical.


Yet many of the GOP amendments on this incomplete list do seem pretty substantive. For example, one amendment offered by Oklahoma's Tom Coburn requires members of Congress and their staff to enroll in the government-run health insurance program. Another, sponsored by Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, would "establish an auto advisory council to make recommendations to the Secretary of the Treasury regarding how best to represent the taxpayers of the United States as the majority owner of General Motors." An amendment written by North Carolina's Richard Burr requires that "a private plan would be exempt from any federal or state requirement related to quality improvement and reporting if the community health insurance option is not subject to the specific requirement."


The list goes on. An amendment from Mike Enzi of Wyoming promises "to protect pro-patient plans and prevent rationing." Another of his would "prohibit the government run plan from limiting access to end of life care." An amendment from New Hampshire's Judd Gregg "requires all savings associated with follow-on biologics to go towards deficit reduction."


There are some technical-seeming amendments, too. For example, an amendment from Burr (which was accepted) says, "On line 23 after 'groups' insert 'and reduces the cost of health care.' " Another amendment, proposed by Coburn, "[d]efines [the] average work week as 40 hours."

This is more how I remember watching it on C-SPAN... While the majority of the committees were controlled by Democrats- many of the ideas brought up by Republicans were added to the bill/law... Coburn who is an MD was quite active in the hearings... Enzi as a co chair had a lot of input..

Actually I give no blame to the Republicans for bringing forward and promoting the mandate over the past 40+ years... They should get an ATTA-BOY for coming up with and promoting the idea initially- and then getting the Dems to go for it rather than a Canadian/European style universal health care ... There were many Liberals that preferred the universal government run health care...Both parties realized doing nothing with health care insurance reform was not an option- as the spiraling costs were bankrupting the country...

I still think we got the best of the two options- but now over the years need to work the bad spots out...
 

Mike

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Republican amendments to the Reconciliation Committee:

http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploadedfiles/gop_amendments_submitted_to_hr_4872--8.31.10.pdf

Note* I did say "Senate" in my previous post, but the "Reconciliation" on C-Span was what I meant to say.

How many of these amendments were allowed? :roll:
 

hopalong

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How many moire years oldtimer?????

http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressional-budget-office-sends-death-blow-to-obamacare/

You need to read this THEN and only THEN say more time is needed....

Your thoughts are worthless when compared to professional who know such things,,, study such things,,, have access to information that not even ypou and all your KNOW it all friends you claim to know ,,, shades of READER lol lol lol
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
I don't believe Obamacare can be repealed at this stage of the game...

Oldtimer, just why do you think the Dems implemented the law by rolling out ALL THE GOODIES of the bill before the true cost of the bill hit? Think about that Oldtimer. Why do you think Obama is delaying the true cost of the bill/ MANDATES in hopes that the Dems up for re-election get back in?

He planned to hook as many people as possible with the "GOODIES" so when any talk of repeal hit after the true costs were realized, he and his Dems could campaign on the lie Republicans hate you and that is why they want to take your Government subsidized Healthcare away for you.

They are encouraging people to leave their jobs and except their government handout through the Obamacare Law as they know they can use it as a way to CONTROL THEM TO VOTE TO PROTECT THE ENTITLEMENT that they don't want to lose if the Republicans get back in power.

The Dems will cut the Military to the friggin bone but do you think they will ever allow any cuts to the entitlements that they are using to keep voters in line? NO they will not as every time any mention of fixing Medicare and SS comes up the Dems are claiming the Republicans are pushing granny over the cliff. So nope if there is going to be a REPEAL OF OBAMACARE there had better be a plan to replace it with just a different type of ENTITLEMENT that the sofa sitters will be satisfied with. :mad:
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
I don't believe Obamacare can be repealed at this stage of the game...



The Dems will cut the Military to the friggin bone but do you think they will ever allow any cuts to the entitlements that they are using to keep voters in line? NO they will not as every time any mention of fixing Medicare and SS comes up the Dems are claiming the Republicans are pushing granny over the cliff. So nope if there is going to be a REPEAL OF OBAMACARE there had better be a plan to replace it with just a different type of ENTITLEMENT that the sofa sitters will be satisfied with. :mad:


The US last year spent 39% of the worlds spending on defense spending-- which came to 4.4% of our GDP
BUT
the country you decided to live in when you move out of the US- Canada- spent 1.3% of the worlds share-- which was 1.3% of their GDP...

Maybe its time for the US to take a lesson from Canada and our other socalled allies-- and spend a little more on our citizens and infrastructure...
Let Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, France, etc. (none who even come close to paying their fair share imho) start picking up the costs...

Tam- why aren't you out lobbying the Canadian Army to buy a couple more Skidoo's :???: :roll: :p
If there is such a need for intervention in the Ukraine as the warhawks now are screaming - why is Canada or even better, the European neighbors- Germany, France, Britain, etc. not doing the intervening.. What says it has to be the US sticking our nose in everything around the world...Our last venture at that ran us up a bill that could surpass $7 Trillion...

Right now we have enough problems in our own hemisphere we should be watching with Mexico and Venezuela (altho I believe we should stay out of both still)...
 

hopalong

Well-known member
I would rather depend on friends from Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, France,our allies than depend on you to support the constitution of the USA...
If you spent half the time not hitting on Tam like you do you might actually accomplish some of those cattle ventures you bragged about you would be better off!!! How are they doing by the way,,,, did you ever tell your wife about them????


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