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Do Unto Others....................

kolanuraven

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html



More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.
 

Texan

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I doubt if that survey reveals anything other than the obvious:

Liberals are more likely to be among the group who: "seldom or never" go to services.

But some people have short memories.

Do you think any of these people would agree that: the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified?

I suspect that they would.


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I also suspect that they would have much rather had the choice of being waterboarded.
 

TSR

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html



More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

Those words "often" or "sometimes" are kind of antagonisitic. It would be interesting to me to see how many voted often and how many voted sometimes, also relative to me would be the age of the voters. Also note "suspected terrorists" that might cover a lot of people who aren't terrorists at all.
 

backhoeboogie

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Did anyone mention "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth?"

You and Reader really have an issue with religion.

Just let it go Kolo. Don't keep all that anger pent up.
 

kolanuraven

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backhoeboogie said:
Did anyone mention "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth?"

You and Reader really have an issue with religion.

Just let it go Kolo. Don't keep all that anger pent up.


I'm not trying to start a fight nor have I made a comment ,have I?


I just thought it was an interesting aspect on humanity.
 

backhoeboogie

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kolanuraven said:
backhoeboogie said:
Did anyone mention "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth?"

You and Reader really have an issue with religion.

Just let it go Kolo. Don't keep all that anger pent up.


I'm not trying to start a fight nor have I made a comment ,have I?


I just thought it was an interesting aspect on humanity.

Did you think these people would want to rehabilitate the terrorists?
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
I don't have a problem with religion. You don't know me at all boogey.

I have a problem with statements like gays can't be Christians. I have a problem with trying to make the U.S. a church-run nation against the principals that this country was founded on.

I have a problem with personal decisions such as end of life or sexuality being legislated because of the religious opinions of a subset of this nation's populace.

You don't realize that this country was founded on Christian principles?
 

kolanuraven

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Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
I don't have a problem with religion. You don't know me at all boogey.

I have a problem with statements like gays can't be Christians. I have a problem with trying to make the U.S. a church-run nation against the principals that this country was founded on.

I have a problem with personal decisions such as end of life or sexuality being legislated because of the religious opinions of a subset of this nation's populace.

You don't realize that this country was founded on Christian principles?



By people running from an oppressive church
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
I don't have a problem with religion. You don't know me at all boogey.

I have a problem with statements like gays can't be Christians. I have a problem with trying to make the U.S. a church-run nation against the principals that this country was founded on.

I have a problem with personal decisions such as end of life or sexuality being legislated because of the religious opinions of a subset of this nation's populace.

You don't realize that this country was founded on Christian principles?



By people running from an oppressive church

True, but that doesn't dispute the fact that this nation was founded by Christians on Christian princibles.
 

Sandhusker

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Like it or not, this IS a Christian nation. You can't ignore Christianity's stamp on the entire society. Unfortunately, Christianity's hold on our country is loosening and as a result, our entire country is weakening, but that's another topic.

Why is it that when the political leanings of the majority of the people in an area make it a "Blue State", "Republican County", etc... or when the majority of residents in a certain community are of the same ethnicity to make it "China Town" or "Little Italy', but when the majority of people in this country are Christians, it's not a Christian country? Of course, LEGALLY, we're not a Christian nation, but LEGALLY, a certain part of Omaha is not part of Italy, either.

I would argue that it's the people that labeled them selves "progressives" that want to weaken our country. Latest case in point was Maobama's revealing our secrets to our enemies for no reason other than to shine a light on himself.
 

Mike

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80% of the people in the U.S. use Christianity as a religion.

If that's not a Christian nation, what is?

Does it have to be 100%?
 

Sandhusker

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Reader, why is it that when the political leanings of the majority of the people in an area make it a "Blue State", "Republican County", etc... or when the majority of residents in a certain community are of the same ethnicity to make it "China Town" or "Little Italy', but when the majority of people in this country are Christians, it's not a Christian country?
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
Reader, why is it that when the political leanings of the majority of the people in an area make it a "Blue State", "Republican County", etc... or when the majority of residents in a certain community are of the same ethnicity to make it "China Town" or "Little Italy', but when the majority of people in this country are Christians, it's not a Christian country?

because race is not religon.Its not budist town or roman catholic town..........Also those blue states are made up of different races,just because your a christian does not mean you are a card carring Republican....Not all Christians are republican sandy ...
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
Reader, why is it that when the political leanings of the majority of the people in an area make it a "Blue State", "Republican County", etc... or when the majority of residents in a certain community are of the same ethnicity to make it "China Town" or "Little Italy', but when the majority of people in this country are Christians, it's not a Christian country?

because race is not religon.Its not budist town or roman catholic town..........Also those blue states are made up of different races,just because your a christian does not mean you are a card carring Republican....Not all Christians are republican sandy ...

We have "Catholic towns". I"ve heard the town east of here called a "Catholic town" many times - nothing derogatory, just recognizing the fact that most of the people in the surrounding area are Catholics. You're not getting it. What I'm trying to point out is that certain areas garner certain labels based on the majority of those in that area. Religion is no different than anything else. To say that the US is not a Christian nation ignores reality - and is something that I don't think a Christian would say.
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
My point is that our founding father PURPOSELY created a unique nation in which church and state were separate. That and our balance of power and Constitution, all together, make us powerful and special.

And you modern day folks want to take us back and make us feeble and like all the other backwards countries when we are in fact a bastion of freedom.

Crazy crazy crazy.

No, this is NOT a Christian nation. Yes, I have no problem with there being a foundation of moral beliefs but there is LEGAL separation of church and state and it is at the core of this nation.

There are three branches of government. None of them are church.

No one has said anything about taking us back or changing the three branches of government.

You have a choice and that is fine with me. I have a choice too and that is not fine with you.

There is no need to seperate anything that is not joined.

People's beliefs and commitments influence their decisions. That is just how it is. It is a shame you cannot understand that.
 

hypocritexposer

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But there is a fourth branch of government, and that's the People

The Constitution provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that the Government is subservient to the People and only exists for the purpose of serving the People

The fifth amendment of the US Constitution states: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on the presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury”.

So who or what is a Grand Jury?

This also is false. There is a Constitutional force which has power, authority and dominance over those three branches.

That is the The Grand Jury of We The People. The Grand Jury was intended to give the people of the United States of America total control over a potentially corrupt government and to enable prosecution of corrupt or criminal government officials, agents and employees, whether they were elected, hired or appointed.

Here's a list of State Grand Juries working on Eligibility lawsuits at present.

Eligibility:

* Arizona (02/10/09)
* Colorado (03/17/09)
* Idaho (03/26/09)
* Missouri (04/23/09) – WITHDRAWN
* Montana (03/17/09)
* North Dakota (01/22/09)
* Oklahoma (04/23/09) – FAILED
* Utah (02/11/09)
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
I have a problem with statements like gays can't be Christians.

Send your complaints to God himself, he is the one that said you must quit willfully committing sins and he is the one that killed the gays at Sodom and Gomorrah. He is the one that says to be a Christian you must repent and quit willfully committing these sins.

Being a Christian is kind of like joining a club, you have to obey the rules of the club or you can not be part of it. You are more than willing to join another club, or start your own club, but to be in the Christian Club you must follow them rules, and God is the one that wrote them.

From recent post I take it that you are Jewish, I would assume the same rules would apply since Sodom and Gomorrah happened long before Jesus walked the earth.
 
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