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Do we REALLY care?

kolanuraven

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/29/oklahoma-clayton-lockett-execution_n_5236297.html


Oklahoma prison officials halted an inmate's execution after a new drug combination left the man writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney. He later died of a heart attack.

Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of three drugs in the state's new lethal injection combination was administered Tuesday evening. Three minutes later, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.



#1....do we really care ?

#2....notice no mention of the victims nor the crime.

#3...if this is such a right/religious country what about the old " eye for an eye...tooth for a tooth" way of settling issues?
 

Mike

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Matthew 5:38-39

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Islamists are generally the religion who believe that the punishment must fit the crime.

There are several stories on the web about the egregiousness of his crime.
 

kolanuraven

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I admit I didn't take the time to review his crime. But, I'm not making this a ' religous' issue as I think it's deeper than that.


Me, if someone has done a heinous crime...how they are taken out of life is of no care to me.

That sounds hard and harsh but the criminal had no feelings when they committed the crime.
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
I admit I didn't take the time to review his crime. But, I'm not making this a ' religous' issue as I think it's deeper than that.


Me, if someone has done a heinous crime...how they are taken out of life is of no care to me.

That sounds hard and harsh but the criminal had no feelings when they committed the crime.

Completely understandable. And I'll bet the families of the victims feel even stronger.

The Rightwingers in the U.S. will overwhelmingly agree with you.
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/29/oklahoma-clayton-lockett-execution_n_5236297.html


Oklahoma prison officials halted an inmate's execution after a new drug combination left the man writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney. He later died of a heart attack.

Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of three drugs in the state's new lethal injection combination was administered Tuesday evening. Three minutes later, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.


#1....do we really care ?

#2....notice no mention of the victims nor the crime.

#3...if this is such a right/religious country what about the old " eye for an eye...tooth for a tooth" way of settling issues?


Lockett, 38, was convicted in the killing of 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman in 1999. She was shot and buried alive. Lockett was convicted of raping her friend in the violent home invasion that lead to Neiman's death.
 

Steve

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#2....notice no mention of the victims nor the crime.

on CNN the newscaster flatly told of his crime, then warned that what she was about to report on was graphic and disturbing.. then a young reporter told of how this guy suffered,.. as she shook her head in disbelief.




we outsource about everything else.. maybe we should outsource our death penalty prisoners to a country with no qualms about executing them..

or I could take them fishing...
 

iwannabeacowboy

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A nationwide shortage of sodium thiopental, an anesthetic that is part of the three-drug cocktail used in lethal injections, has thrown capital punishment in the United States into disarray, delaying executions and forcing the change of execution protocols in several states.
Last month, Hospira—the sole U.S. company approved to manufacture the drug—announced it will no longer produce sodium thiopental. This move followed a global campaign by death penalty opponents and pressure by Italian government officials after the company sought to shift production of the drug to an Italian plant.
The shortage of sodium thiopental has forced the 35 states using lethal injection to scramble for any remaining stock and to explore alternatives.

Wonder why they were seeking to shift production to Italy?

That is the real story here- the one being ignored.

Decades ago, most pills consumed in the United States were made here. But like other manufacturing operations, drug plants have been moving to Asia because labor, construction, regulatory and environmental costs are lower there.

U.S. companies are more regulated and are under more scrutiny than foreign producers, particularly those from emerging countries. And that’s just totally backwards,” said Joe Acker, president of the Synthetic Organic Chemical Manufacturers Association. “We need a level playing field.”

If you haven't read the whole article, and like horror stories, it's a good read:

Even so, officials have said that during a pandemic the United States would not be able to rely on vaccines manufactured largely in Europe because of possible border closures and supply shortages. And the situation is similar with antibiotics like penicillin; researchers have found that during the 1918 flu pandemic, most victims died of bacterial infections, not viral ones.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has a stockpile of medicines with enough antibiotics to treat 40 million people. If more are needed, however, the nation lacks the plants to produce them. A penicillin fermenter would take two years to build from scratch, Mr. Polastro said.

Dr. Yusuf K. Hamied, chairman of Cipla, one of the world’s most important suppliers of pharmaceutical ingredients, says his company and others have grown increasingly dependent on Chinese suppliers. “If tomorrow China stopped supplying pharmaceutical ingredients, the worldwide pharmaceutical industry would collapse,” he said.

A year ago, Baxter International and APP Pharmaceuticals split the domestic market for heparin, an anticlotting drug needed for surgery and dialysis.

When federal drug regulators discovered that Baxter’s product had been contaminated by Chinese suppliers, the F.D.A. banned Baxter’s product and turned almost exclusively to the one from APP. But APP also got its product from China.

So for now, like it or not, China has the upper hand. As Mr. Polastro put it, “If China ever got very upset with President Obama, it could be a big problem.”

“The lack of regulation around outsourcing is a blind spot that leaves room for supply disruptions, counterfeit medicines, even bioterrorism,” said Senator Sherrod Brown, Democrat of Ohio, who has held hearings on the issue.

The critical ingredients for most antibiotics are now made almost exclusively in China and India. The same is true for dozens of other crucial medicines, including the popular allergy medicine prednisone; metformin, for diabetes; and amlodipine, for high blood pressure.

Of the 1,154 pharmaceutical plants mentioned in generic drug applications to the Food and Drug Administration in 2007, only 13 percent were in the United States. Forty-three percent were in China, and 39 percent were in India.

Some of these medicines are lifesaving, and health care in the United States depends on them. Half of all Americans take a prescription medicine every day.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/policy/20drug.html


Then you have this as well:
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-pharmacy-will-not-provide-death-penalty/m0Rh1ksx7Eu-9zG5855Q8w.cspx?rss=77
 
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Anonymous

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I still haven't seen what was wrong with hanging or the firing squad... Even the gas chamber worked... "Old Sparkey" did too- but was a little crude...
No matter how you do it- watching someone die is not supposed to be an enjoyable moment...
 
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