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passin thru

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If all the people of the US were democrats.....What would the country be like today


So many here put down the conservative ideals..so how would it be In America if it was only liberal ideals?

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Soapweed

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passin thru said:
If all the people of the US were democrats.....What would the country be like today


So many here put down the conservative ideals..so how would it be In America if it was only liberal ideals?

That would be like putting the cattle in charge of running the ranch. :? :wink: :)
 

kolanuraven

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I'll answer ya PT.

I think that we'd be able to understand WHY situations happen in the early stages ,instead of throwing bombs on the situation THEN trying to sort out WHY.

I think we've have more and better diplomatic relationships around the world and not be seen as the 'bully' of the world.

So, there's my liberal answer for you this bright ' chilly' AM!
 
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Anonymous

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Soapweed said:
That would be like putting the cattle in charge of running the ranch. :? :wink: :)
....and they'd all be waitin' at the gate for the cake truck that never shows 'cause there's nobody to fill it up and drive it. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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And...you wouldn't ever have to worry about bull fights because all of the bulls would just want to ride each other all the time.
 
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Anonymous

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And...you wouldn't ever have to work calves because if a cow accidentally got bred, she'd want to murder her calf before it was born.
 

passin thru

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kola said:
I'll answer ya PT.

I think that we'd be able to understand WHY situations happen in the early stages ,instead of throwing bombs on the situation THEN trying to sort out WHY.

I think we've have more and better diplomatic relationships around the world and not be seen as the 'bully' of the world.

So, there's my liberal answer for you this bright ' chilly' AM!

As per Klinton...............gotcha
 

Mrs.Greg

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Ok I'm not American but truthfully this question is way scarier then nonothings,not just because I'm conservative{left wing} but because how crazy our world would be if we were all liberals. For one thing there prob. wouldn't be ranches,or anyone raising any meat to eat....PETA is a liberal group,Greenpeace,abortion at will,gun control,gay marriges,poor criminals would be rehabilitated,sex criminals that muder young girls gets out,and aloud to live her life,without any media attention .....oh for crying out load I'm talking about Canada,Our Country have fallin apart after being run by liberals for sooo many years.I could go on and on how this do good group of people have made sure the values we were all brought up with,have fallin to the wayside in the name of rights!!!
 

nonothing

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Funny how so many conservatives write in this thread but not in the other.......

I think like most things in life a monopoly of any kind is a breeding ground for a miss use of power......I think the liberal mind set has made it so that every American has a chance to be what it is they want....Many conservatives,wish it to be more like the past....more government control and power driven...Less help (or as they are called by some handouts)and Freedom for all would not be a fair statement....

That being said if it was more liberal based I think education would be rampant....I think Religion would struggle some to find its pied piper like mystic...I think Victims of crime would suffer more and prisoners suffer less under liberals reign(sad but true)......I think people not just god fear white folk would have a better chance to succeed in life.....I think fences would not be built and maybe defense would not be so gung ho...I think medicare would be better for all but taxes would be higher....I think in different ways life would be better but I to realize that not all would be perfect.....I can not use the word Utopia :wink: ........I guess it comes done between socialism and capitalism,to much of either can lead to disaster
 

nonothing

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Passing Thru,I extend my hand and offer my appologies in the way I acted at times before...I realize we dont always see eye to eye but that is how life is ......So I will try once again and ask you to meet me half way...Many here say kind words about you.....So again I extend my hand in and ask for a more respectfull,honest and non personal debates,from both our sides.......
 

IL Rancher

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nonothing said:
Funny how so many conservatives write in this thread but not in the other.......

I think like most things in life a monopoly of any kind is a breeding ground for a miss use of power......I think the liberal mind set has made it so that every American has a chance to be what it is they want....Many conservatives,wish it to be more like the past....more government control and power driven...Less help (or as they are called by some handouts)and Freedom for all would not be a fair statement....

That being said if it was more liberal based I think education would be rampant....I think Religion would struggle some to find its pied piper like mystic...I think Victims of crime would suffer more and prisoners suffer less under liberals reign(sad but true)......I think people not just god fear white folk would have a better chance to succeed in life.....I think fences would not be built and maybe defense would not be so gung ho...I think medicare would be better for all but taxes would be higher....I think in different ways life would be better but I to realize that not all would be perfect.....I can not use the word Utopia :wink: ........I guess it comes done between socialism and capitalism,to much of either can lead to disaster


More freedoms in a liberal area? Like freedom to not have a gun, freedom to be censured for un pc comments? Governmnt dictating that you have to use union labor? No private property rights? Here is the problem with saying one party gives more freedoms than the other... It alll depends on what freedoms you want the government to protect and which ones you don't. A liberal goverment might grant freedom of choice, freedom of some the Christian based morality laws and a few other things but typically there is a lot of government control in liberal/democratic stongholds as well.

I could say tons of negative things about both philosophies and it is a darn good thing we have people on both sides of the fence... Balance is a good thing people, the only real problem we have is common sense and civility has left the political arena.. It is no longer about what you will do it is about what your opponnent did or didn't do and who their supporters are....
 

Faster horses

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nonothing, I think you are confused.

Conservatives don't want more government control.
Where have you been?

It's a lot about values. Liberals will give up what they value
to be politically correct. Conservatives will fight to keep their
values. Therein lies a lot of the problems.
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
Funny how so many conservatives write in this thread but not in the other.......

I think like most things in life a monopoly of any kind is a breeding ground for a miss use of power......I think the liberal mind set has made it so that every American has a chance to be what it is they want....Many conservatives,wish it to be more like the past....more government control and power driven...Less help (or as they are called by some handouts)and Freedom for all would not be a fair statement....

Conservatives want less government control, not more. Conservatives want less landhouts, because they are aware that someone has to foot the bill. These handouts don't just magically appear out of thin air. For instance, one of my personal pet peeves is grants. This money has to come from somewhere, and by the time it gets to its recipient, much of the money has already been lost to bureacracies along the way. Besides, so much of grant money ends up in some dingaling nonworthy project anyway.

nonothing said:
That being said if it was more liberal based I think education would be rampant....I think Religion would struggle some to find its pied piper like mystic...I think Victims of crime would suffer more and prisoners suffer less under liberals reign(sad but true)......I think people not just god fear white folk would have a better chance to succeed in life.....I think fences would not be built and maybe defense would not be so gung ho...I think medicare would be better for all but taxes would be higher....I think in different ways life would be better but I to realize that not all would be perfect.....I can not use the word Utopia :wink: ........I guess it comes done between socialism and capitalism,to much of either can lead to disaster

Mere money thrown at education does not make it "run rampant". Values need to come back into play before education improves. All this feely good, give everybody the same good grade, cheat if you have to, stuff that presently runs rampant in our schools is why education today is failing. There is no incentive to study harder than your peers if everyone gets the same good grade anyway. If there are no penalties for cheating, there is no reason not to cheat. Spelling skills have fallen by the wayside, because it is politically incorrect to judge a person by their spelling abilities. Neatness is not encouraged, and poor penmanship is no longer penalized.

These are some of the issues today that are contributing to poor education. Money thrown at education doesn't have very much to do with the final result. It all goes back to the old axiom, "a poor workman blames his tools." Believe me, a good workman can do a fine job with just basic tools while an incompetent fool can screw up with every wonderful tool available. Saddletramp and I have talked about this in the world of horses. A good cowboy on a poor horse can accomplish much more than a poor cowboy on a fine horse.

When you say, "I think Victims of crime would suffer more and prisoners suffer less under liberals reign(sad but true)......" you have certainly hit the nail on the head. Why is it now that when a mountain lion kills a young child, the liberals all rush to the defense of the mountain lion and care nothing about a family's loss of a child? It is the same way with people crimes. All of the liberal sentiment goes to the poor criminal, victim be darned. This is completely reprehensible.

Freedom of religion is something that our forefathers insisted upon putting into the constitution. It is one of the pillars on which our Great Nation was founded, and is the primary reason that this nation has flourished and prospered for over two hundred and thirty years. God has blessed this nation because it was a God fearing, God worshipping country. The Liberals seek to do away with anything of a Christian nature. Without God to believe in, what is the point of even existing? When we turn our backs on God, He will surely turn his back on us.
 
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Anonymous

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:clap: :clap: :clap: Great post, Soapweed.

On the government control issue...

Sometimes I think that when a liberal talks about conservatives wanting more government control, they're talking about law enforcement matters and us wanting to control things regarding personal responsibilities. The libs can't stand that.

Conservatives want to exercise control over whether or not a woman has 'the right to choose', whether or not liberals can smoke a joint with their kid, whether or not they can have sex with 14 year olds, whether or not they can watch porn with their 5 year old on network TV at 8 o'clock at night, etc.

I suppose it's true that conservatives want more control over these crimes and immoral activities. But the liberals just don't want to give up their rights to commit them.
 
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Anonymous

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nonothing said:
......I think people not just god fear white folk would have a better chance to succeed in life.....
This is a foolish statement. New Orleans is a perfect example of how well the "not just god fear white folk" can succeed in life.

Liberal principles(?) conclude that success is given to people by the government. Conservative principles dictate that everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed on their own...in spite of the government. You succeed in life by working for success. Not by taking success away from those that have worked for it and giving it away to those that haven't.

Liberal democrats have their example of the 'successes' of government-forced redistribution of wealth. It's called New Orleans, Louisiana. Government can give them money, but government can't give them the motivation to save their sorry asses. :mad:
 

nonothing

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X said:
nonothing said:
......I think people not just god fear white folk would have a better chance to succeed in life.....
This is a foolish statement. New Orleans is a perfect example of how well the "not just god fear white folk" can succeed in life.

Liberal principles(?) conclude that success is given to people by the government. Conservative principles dictate that everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed on their own...in spite of the government. You succeed in life by working for success. Not by taking success away from those that have worked for it and giving it away to those that haven't.

Liberal democrats have their example of the 'successes' of government-forced redistribution of wealth. It's called New Orleans, Louisiana. Government can give them money, but government can't give them the motivation to save their sorry asses. :mad:


I was asked what i thought it may be like.I never said it was perfect.I just gave my opinion i never thought this was gonna be a debate on my answer....X I am sure you can find single situations of anyones argument....I may have not been precise enough for a guy like you ....I just made a broad answer....I never attacked soapweed for his answer in the other post....I thanked him for having the moxie to at least answer in there .....It was not about looking to argue.......
 

nonothing

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Soapweed said:
nonothing said:
Funny how so many conservatives write in this thread but not in the other.......

I think like most things in life a monopoly of any kind is a breeding ground for a miss use of power......I think the liberal mind set has made it so that every American has a chance to be what it is they want....Many conservatives,wish it to be more like the past....more government control and power driven...Less help (or as they are called by some handouts)and Freedom for all would not be a fair statement....

Conservatives want less government control, not more. Conservatives want less landhouts, because they are aware that someone has to foot the bill. These handouts don't just magically appear out of thin air. For instance, one of my personal pet peeves is grants. This money has to come from somewhere, and by the time it gets to its recipient, much of the money has already been lost to bureacracies along the way. Besides, so much of grant money ends up in some dingaling nonworthy project anyway.

nonothing said:
That being said if it was more liberal based I think education would be rampant....I think Religion would struggle some to find its pied piper like mystic...I think Victims of crime would suffer more and prisoners suffer less under liberals reign(sad but true)......I think people not just god fear white folk would have a better chance to succeed in life.....I think fences would not be built and maybe defense would not be so gung ho...I think medicare would be better for all but taxes would be higher....I think in different ways life would be better but I to realize that not all would be perfect.....I can not use the word Utopia :wink: ........I guess it comes done between socialism and capitalism,to much of either can lead to disaster

Mere money thrown at education does not make it "run rampant". Values need to come back into play before education improves. All this feely good, give everybody the same good grade, cheat if you have to, stuff that presently runs rampant in our schools is why education today is failing. There is no incentive to study harder than your peers if everyone gets the same good grade anyway. If there are no penalties for cheating, there is no reason not to cheat. Spelling skills have fallen by the wayside, because it is politically incorrect to judge a person by their spelling abilities. Neatness is not encouraged, and poor penmanship is no longer penalized.

These are some of the issues today that are contributing to poor education. Money thrown at education doesn't have very much to do with the final result. It all goes back to the old axiom, "a poor workman blames his tools." Believe me, a good workman can do a fine job with just basic tools while an incompetent fool can screw up with every wonderful tool available. Saddletramp and I have talked about this in the world of horses. A good cowboy on a poor horse can accomplish much more than a poor cowboy on a fine horse.

When you say, "I think Victims of crime would suffer more and prisoners suffer less under liberals reign(sad but true)......" you have certainly hit the nail on the head. Why is it now that when a mountain lion kills a young child, the liberals all rush to the defense of the mountain lion and care nothing about a family's loss of a child? It is the same way with people crimes. All of the liberal sentiment goes to the poor criminal, victim be darned. This is completely reprehensible.

Freedom of religion is something that our forefathers insisted upon putting into the constitution. It is one of the pillars on which our Great Nation was founded, and is the primary reason that this nation has flourished and prospered for over two hundred and thirty years. God has blessed this nation because it was a God fearing, God worshipping country. The Liberals seek to do away with anything of a Christian nature. Without God to believe in, what is the point of even existing? When we turn our backs on God, He will surely turn his back on us.

Soapweed i think you need to reread the first part of my answer....I said conservative want less handouts not more....Second I again never expected to be called out n this thread..All I wrote was what I felt would be like is all......I never said how education would be better but you thought about more money....not sure if it would take more money or just better educating the educators...Where more money would be spent is on medicare I did say that....I never painted a favourable pretty picutre of Utopia or Just wrote the word AWESOME....I tried to think what may it be like....Heck I could be wayyyyyyyyyyyy off..
 

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