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Do you Support term limits?

Do you support term limits

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  • No

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  • Yes, but only for everyone but my politicians

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  • No, they are good leaders

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Steve

Well-known member
I had a discussion this week with a friend who wants to vote everyone out.. and as I tried to explain how impracticable it the idea was, it occurred to me the real solution was to force candidates to go on record with a written pledge to support a term limit constitutional amendment.

I found many websites proposing the vote everyone out ideology,.. and while it sounds good it is an angry knee jerk reaction and will not work..

if so call your elected officials and demand the pledge to support the term limit bill..


http://demint.senate.gov/public/_files/TermLimitsForAll.pdf
 

VanC

Well-known member
Yeah, I'm in favor of term limits, but I ain't holding my breath. I doubt it will happen in our lifetimes, if at all. Getting someone to pledge something while running for office and getting them to keep that pledge after they are elected are two entirely different things.

Remember the Contract With America? Back in 1994 every single Republican running for a Democrat's seat pledged to support an amendement limiting House and Senate members to 12 years. Didn't happen, did it? They also pledged, if elected, to not serve more than 12 years whether they got the amendment passed or not. Twelve years later, in 2006, there were still 25 House members and 5 Senators from that class left in office. Guess what? Every single one of them ran for re-election. That's right, NOT ONE OF THEM KEPT THEIR PLEDGE!!

It doesn't matter folks. Republican, Democrat, Independent, Socialist, Green Party, Libertarian, Martian, Klingon, whatever. Once these folks get that power, and the perks that go with it, there ain't many of them that are going to willingly give it up.

I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 

Steve

Well-known member
I don't disagree that politicians will seldom do as they have pledged, but if we give up with out a fight, they will never listen.. and now is the time to force them to listen.

Term Limits is known as the largest grassroots movement in American history, and US Term Limits (USTL) was, and still is, the leader of that movement. U.S. Term Limits backed three two-year terms for House members but the Republican-controlled House failed to attract the 290 votes required in the 1994 vote (227-204). Initiatives in the 23 states remain on the books however.

state issues need attention as well to ensure that term limits stay on the book and keep up the pressure for a constitutional amendment.

South Dakota

After a massive defeat in 2008, when a measure aimed at repealing the term limits law failed with 76 percent of voters voting NO, South Dakota legislators have once again introduced a bill aimed at gutting the current term limits law.

SJR 3, Sponsored by Senator Hansen, if passed, would lengthen the number of years an elected official can serve in each chamber to 12 years. The bill as introduced, did not include a term limits extension, however it was amended in committee to lengthen term limits. The committee and senate have both passed the bill. It is currently in the House State Affairs Committee. It stalled in committee and died with ajornment.

THREAT LEVEL: Dead

WHAT YOU CAN DO: Congratulate yourself, The hard work you put in paid off

and vote the sponsor of the bill out!

US Term Limits Foundation recently conducted national polling, and it showed that 83 percent of Americans support the idea of term limits.

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Steve

Well-known member
Van C said:
That's right, NOT ONE OF THEM KEPT THEIR PLEDGE!!

"I want to be clear: demanding that reformers adopt self-imposed term limits is a recipe for self-defeat on this issue," DeMint said in Tuesday's statement. "We lost the battle for term limits after the 1994 Republican Contract with America because we forced our best advocates for reform to go home, while the big-spending career politicians waited them out. We must have term limits for all or term limits will never succeed. Only when we apply the same rules to all will we be able to enact vital bipartisan reforms."


The two other original co-sponsors of the amendment are Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, and Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas. Coburn, a first-term senator, is up for re-election to his second term in 2010, while Brownback is retiring next year after pledging to serve only two full terms in the Senate. As congressmen, both voted in favor of the GOP's Contract with America term limit proposal in 1995. Coburn, a longtime term-limits supporter, retired from the House in 2000 after serving three terms, based on that pledge.
 

MoGal

Well-known member
Steve: I agree with your friend, they all need to go. When I started looking at the history of Rome (and one needs to because our government was set up much like the Roman Empire) one of the things that caused the Roman empire to fall was the senate filled their pockets from the taxpayers trough. Greed.

Congress will never police themselves or do what is right for their constituents because they are following the orders of the hidden global elite.

Here are some links
lobbyists buy congress
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/6-lobbyists-buy-congress/

congress invests in defense contracts
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-congress-invested-in-defense-contracts/

Defense spending creates job loss
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/defense-spending-job-loss/

Inflated Stimulus Job Gains by Counting raises (wonder if they counted bonuses as well????)
http://www.allgov.com/ViewNews/Obama_Administration_Inflated_Stimulus_Job_Gains_by_Counting_
Raises_91107

and the most important one, US Millionaires 1 percent, congressional millionaires 237 members out of a total of 535.
http://www.allgov.com/ViewNews/Millionaires_in_US_1_Percent__Millionaires_in_Congress_44_Percent_91106

Its a pity the article didn't list all 237 of them as I know Claire McCaskill is one, but the article only lists the top ten.
 

Steve

Well-known member
MoGal said:
Steve: I agree with your friend, they all need to go.

I don't disagree with the thought.. or idea,.. but it is not practical.

even if I vote against the incumbent in New Jersey, they will still remain in due to the overwhelming number of core democrats in the state...

the same is true for our (RINO) congressman, our county is republican.. and a stronghold.. so unless I can sway the mind of a huge bunch of staunch voters.. they will get re-elected..

but.. by making a term limit pledge an issue.. both might get accomplished.

first the candidates would be held to the fire, and have to either sign, or decline..

if they decline.. the person seeking their office can then sign and use it against them..


and if enough sign.. it might just get enough momentum to pass..

if they sign... great..and if it doesn't pass,... at least in the future you can show the pledge and use it to drive them out of office..

at least 84% of Americans support term limits.. so your just getting them to make it a priority.. not trying to get them to vote against their values and for a person they don't want to represent themselves.

so start working on Term Limits.. we have less then a year to make it a national issue for all candidates!
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
QUESTION: In the 2010 Congressional elections will you definitely vote, probably vote, not likely vote, or definitely will not vote?

The results were, to put it mildly, shocking:

Voter Intensity: Definitely + Probably Voting/Not Likely + Not Voting

Republican Voters: 81/14
Independent Voters: 65/23
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS: 56/40

Two in five Democratic voters either consider themselves unlikely to vote at this point in time, or have already made the firm decision to remove themselves from the 2010 electorate pool. Indeed, Democrats were three times more likely to say that they will "definitely not vote" in 2010 than are Republicans.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/27/808503/-Weekly-Tracking-Poll:-New-Feature-Paints-Ugly-2010-Picture

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDg0NDBiOWExMzBmZTY0YjI5YjA0YjgwZDc3M2VhMTk=
 

Steve

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
QUESTION: In the 2010 Congressional elections will you definitely vote, probably vote, not likely vote, or definitely will not vote?

The results were, to put it mildly, shocking:

Voter Intensity: Definitely + Probably Voting/Not Likely + Not Voting

Republican Voters: 81/14
Independent Voters: 65/23
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS: 56/40

Two in five Democratic voters either consider themselves unlikely to vote at this point in time, or have already made the firm decision to remove themselves from the 2010 electorate pool. Indeed, Democrats were three times more likely to say that they will "definitely not vote" in 2010 than are Republicans.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/27/808503/-Weekly-Tracking-Poll:-New-Feature-Paints-Ugly-2010-Picture

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDg0NDBiOWExMzBmZTY0YjI5YjA0YjgwZDc3M2VhMTk=

and if we can get candidates and incumbents to sign (or decline) a term limit pledge it will sway the vote even more!
 

Steve

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
Before we put in a new amendment for politicians to "follow", let make them follow what is already in the Constitution.

term limits is an amendment, like the presidential term limit it is nearly impossible for them to ignore or misinterpret..
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Steve said:
RobertMac said:
Before we put in a new amendment for politicians to "follow", let make them follow what is already in the Constitution.

term limits is an amendment, like the presidential term limit it is nearly impossible for them to ignore or misinterpret..
The Federal Government is ignoring or misinterpreting the Constitution now...with much more to come.
 
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