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Does Obama want a depression?

Steve

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over the last few months, we have heard and seen how the 47% can be bought..

but what if the economy was back to the 2007 levels... thriving,..

revenue flowing in.. no need for tax increases.. just trim the spending a bit.. so the vote goes to those who will trim the spending a bit..

more folk getting jobs.. trim welfare a bit.. again.. the vote goes to those who will trim the spending a bit..

not much to worry about at home.. maybe the world needs a bit of cleaning up.. so we flex our muscle .. and for that we need a strong defense.. the vote goes to those who will support the military ..

the list could go on.. but in a thriving economy.. that 47% shrinks.. and the producing half grows..

so as long as both sides stick to their we need so principles they would win when needed the most..

.. ,.. in tough times we need more services and for that matter more government..

in good times we don't need as much government.. nor Obama

sure you will say that isn't true,.. but then we are not the 47%
 

Steve

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smalltime said:
Let the world clean itself.We cant afford it anymore.

in a sense you just proved my comment.. that only when we are content and have little to complain about at home do we concern ourselves with what is going on in the world..

right now we have a pile of trouble at home.. so our electorate wants the politicians who will fix or take care of our problems at home now..
 

hypocritexposer

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building on your first comment Steve:

20 million unemployed. I trust they would work, if there were the jobs, so...

20 million x $2000 (annual federal income tax) = $40 billion tax revenue (I would expect it to be more, based on median salary/wage, of those newly employed)

then there is the savings in welfare/unemployment expense

why would you take the chance in slowing economic growth by taxing the "rich" and small business, by $40 Billion?


Tax revenue continues to increase, even with slow economic growth, since 2008. In fact, revenue has grown more than what will be gained by letting the "Bush tax cuts" expire.

At this point the US would be better with further tax cuts and spending cuts.

And no further government stimulus. We have all seen how they wasted the $862 Billion and were rewarded with minimal jobs.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
building on your first comment Steve:

20 million unemployed. I trust they would work, if there were the jobs, so...

20 million x $2000 (annual federal income tax) = $40 billion tax revenue (I would expect it to be more, based on median salary/wage, of those newly employed)

then there is the savings in welfare/unemployment expense

why would you take the chance in slowing economic growth by taxing the "rich" and small business, by $40 Billion?


Tax revenue continues to increase, even with slow economic growth, since 2008. In fact, revenue has grown more than what will be gained by letting the "Bush tax cuts" expire.

At this point the US would be better with further tax cuts and spending cuts.

And no further government stimulus. We have all seen how they wasted the $862 Billion and were rewarded with minimal jobs.

The rational is simple.. call it the "Johnson law" give them something and they will vote for you...

in a good economy.. they don't need you... or at least less of them need you

and with elections hinging on small percentages. those "need" voters are key..

so to cement the 2014 cycle Obama needs more needy voters.. and good times do not produce needy voters..compared to hard times

with 2014 on his side in a needy economy.. he can do as he pleases...
 
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Poll: Boehner gets low marks on fiscal talks

By Jonathan Easley - 12/12/12 08:06 AM ET

A plurality of voters approve of President Obama’s handling of the “fiscal cliff” negotiations, while a strong majority disapprove of the job Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has done, according to a new poll.

Forty-seven percent said they approve of the way Obama has handled the talks to reach a deficit-reduction agreement, against 46 percent who said they disapprove, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released Wednesday finds. Only 24 percent said they approve of the job Boehner has done, compared to 54 percent who disapprove.

Obama has overwhelming support from his own party, with 79 percent of Democrats saying they approve, against 15 percent who disapprove. Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.


With the Presidents daily approval rate (from an R biased Rasmussen reports) running at 56%- and with 60+% of the folks saying they want taxes raised on the wealthy- along with this poll-- I'd say the majority of the folks in this country have a lot more faith in Obama and his leadership then they do in the Repubs and Boehner's leadership...

Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.

Boehner isn't even trusted by his own fellow cultists.......
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Poll: Boehner gets low marks on fiscal talks

By Jonathan Easley - 12/12/12 08:06 AM ET

A plurality of voters approve of President Obama’s handling of the “fiscal cliff” negotiations, while a strong majority disapprove of the job Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has done, according to a new poll.

Forty-seven percent said they approve of the way Obama has handled the talks to reach a deficit-reduction agreement, against 46 percent who said they disapprove, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released Wednesday finds. Only 24 percent said they approve of the job Boehner has done, compared to 54 percent who disapprove.

Obama has overwhelming support from his own party, with 79 percent of Democrats saying they approve, against 15 percent who disapprove. Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.


With the Presidents daily approval rate (from an R biased Rasmussen reports) running at 56%- and with 60+% of the folks saying they want taxes raised on the wealthy- along with this poll-- I'd say the majority of the folks in this country have a lot more faith in Obama and his leadership then they do in the Repubs and Boehner's leadership...

Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.

Boehner isn't even trusted by his own fellow cultists.......

Just goes to show you how many people think you should be taxed but don't touch my money.
 

gmacbeef

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Oldtimer said:
Poll: Boehner gets low marks on fiscal talks

By Jonathan Easley - 12/12/12 08:06 AM ET

A plurality of voters approve of President Obama’s handling of the “fiscal cliff” negotiations, while a strong majority disapprove of the job Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has done, according to a new poll.

Forty-seven percent said they approve of the way Obama has handled the talks to reach a deficit-reduction agreement, against 46 percent who said they disapprove, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released Wednesday finds. Only 24 percent said they approve of the job Boehner has done, compared to 54 percent who disapprove.

Obama has overwhelming support from his own party, with 79 percent of Democrats saying they approve, against 15 percent who disapprove. Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.


With the Presidents daily approval rate (from an R biased Rasmussen reports) running at 56%- and with 60+% of the folks saying they want taxes raised on the wealthy- along with this poll-- I'd say the majority of the folks in this country have a lot more faith in Obama and his leadership then they do in the Repubs and Boehner's leadership...

Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.

Boehner isn't even trusted by his own fellow cultists.......



Oltimer, what % of those supporting your boy Oblamea are on Government assistance of some kind ? Fox did a poll that showed a large majority wanted SPENDING cuts NOT higher taxes
Washington is looking for guidance on the fiscal cliff, voters are sending mixed signals.

A majority says major spending cuts are necessary to solve the country’s budget woes -- that solely raising taxes on the wealthy isn’t enough. Even so, the most popular proposal among voters for reducing the deficit is, you guessed it, raising taxes on the rich.

In addition, while a majority of Republicans (59 percent) thinks major cuts to entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare should be made now, even if it is tough on families, a majority of Democrats (52 percent) thinks those programs should continue to be funded at their current levels, even if it means passing on trillions of dollars of debt to future generations.

That’s according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday.

Overall, 61 percent of voters say major spending cuts are necessary to reduce the deficit, while 33 percent think increasing taxes on high earners would be enough. Half of Democrats think taxing the rich is all that is needed. By contrast, majorities of Republicans (77 percent) and independents (62 percent) think cutting spending is also necessary.

If income taxes go up, almost all voters -- 89 percent -- think President Obama should agree to make major cuts in government spending as well. That includes 83 percent of Democrats, 91 percent of independents and 95 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, by a 53-36 percent margin, voters think Obama will use the money from tax hikes primarily to increase government spending rather than to reduce the deficit.

Nearly 7 voters in 10 are “very” interested in the budget situation the federal government is facing. The so-called “fiscal cliff” means that unless the president and Congress reach an agreement, on January 1 tax rates will automatically go up for almost all Americans while spending on many government programs will automatically be cut.

By a 10-point margin, more voters than not think an agreement will be made before the deadline (51-41 percent).

A 52-percent majority says it would be “terrible” for the economy if the country goes over the cliff, yet 37 percent say it wouldn’t be that bad. Voters are about equally likely to say it would be terrible for them personally if no agreement is reached (46 percent) as they are to say it wouldn’t be so bad for their family (44 percent).

While 34 percent of voters think the “only way” to get the deficit under control is for the country to go over the cliff, fewer -- 12 percent -- say they actually want the nation to do so.

One in five voters who describe themselves as “very” conservatives wants the country to go over the fiscal cliff (19 percent).

More voters think the president (38 percent) has a plan to deal with the deficit issues than think the same about Republicans (26 percent). Still, majorities believe neither Obama (60 percent) nor Congressional Republicans (70 percent) have a clear plan for the current situation.

Sixty-six percent of Democrats think Obama has a plan to handle the deficit. That’s much higher than the 35 percent of Republicans who think their party leadership does.

In general, voters think the best way to deal with the country’s deficit problem is mostly with cuts in government spending (57 percent) rather than tax increases (20 percent).

Still, increasing taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year is the most popular proposal for dealing with the deficit, with 69 percent of voters favoring that option. It’s followed by reducing the number of government employees (65 percent), reforming Social Security (56 percent) and raising the minimum eligibility age for Medicare over time from 65 to 67 years (51 percent).

Views are split on reducing the amount of deductions taxpayers can claim on their taxes: 49 percent favor this measure, while 47 percent oppose it.

Overall, just over half of voters (51 percent) oppose reducing defense spending to help solve the budget problem. Fifty-six percent of Democrats favor cutting defense, while 65 percent of Republicans oppose it.

Nearly 8 voters in 10 oppose introducing a national sales tax (79 percent), making it even less popular than increasing income tax rates for all Americans (70 percent oppose).

Fully 77 percent of voters believe all Americans should be required to pay some amount of federal income taxes -- even if it is as little as one hundred dollars. Democrats (24 percent) and independents (22 percent) are more likely than Republicans (15 percent) to disagree with this.

Other highlights from the poll:
-- A 57-percent majority of voters ages 55 and over favors increasing the eligibility age for Medicare over time from 65 to 67 years.

-- Republicans (60 percent) and independents (56 percent) favor increasing the eligibility age for Medicare, while 57 percent of Democrats oppose it.

-- Sixty-five percent of voters living in households with income of $100,000 and higher favor increasing taxes on those earning over $250,000 a year.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,012 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from December 9 to December 11. For the total sample, it has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/12/fox-news-poll-according-to-voters-spending-cuts-are-must/#ixzz2EtWiRn9a
 

Traveler

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Oldtimer said:
Poll: Boehner gets low marks on fiscal talks

By Jonathan Easley - 12/12/12 08:06 AM ET

A plurality of voters approve of President Obama’s handling of the “fiscal cliff” negotiations, while a strong majority disapprove of the job Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has done, according to a new poll.

Forty-seven percent said they approve of the way Obama has handled the talks to reach a deficit-reduction agreement, against 46 percent who said they disapprove, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released Wednesday finds. Only 24 percent said they approve of the job Boehner has done, compared to 54 percent who disapprove.

Obama has overwhelming support from his own party, with 79 percent of Democrats saying they approve, against 15 percent who disapprove. Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.


With the Presidents daily approval rate (from an R biased Rasmussen reports) running at 56%- and with 60+% of the folks saying they want taxes raised on the wealthy- along with this poll-- I'd say the majority of the folks in this country have a lot more faith in Obama and his leadership then they do in the Repubs and Boehner's leadership...

Boehner, conversely, is barely above water within his party, with 39 percent saying they approve and 37 percent saying they disapprove.

Boehner isn't even trusted by his own fellow cultists.......
Was there a poll to find out how many Obama voters know what "fiscal talks" are?
 

Martin Jr.

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It is a good thing our laws are not made by majority rule. Hopefully our laws are made by our lawmakers who consider all the people and the best interests of the people and our country.

Same with Obama thinking he has a mandate to do what he wants because he won the election. Our laws must still be go through congress and many other things must be considered. There is no mandate.

In other words, percentage don't mean a damn thing.
 
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