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The Justice Department declared Friday that Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to withhold information about a bungled gun-tracking operation from Congress does not constitute a crime and he won’t be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.

The House voted Thursday afternoon to find Holder in criminal and civil contempt for refusing to turn over the documents. President Barack Obama invoked his executive privilege authority and ordered Holder not to turn over materials about executive branch deliberations and internal recommendations.

In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, the department said that it will not bring the congressional contempt citation against Holder to a federal grand jury and that it will take no other action to prosecute the attorney general. Dated Thursday, the letter was released Friday.

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What kind of government have we got that the AG can get away
with supressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation?
 

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The kind that oldtimer holds close to his heart. Of course due to all the spiked kool aid he has drank one cannot expect him to know what he is seeing anyway....Just look at 99% of his posts, garbage, lies, mis information, outdated, HATE filled....
 
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Faster horses said:
The Justice Department declared Friday that Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to withhold information about a bungled gun-tracking operation from Congress does not constitute a crime and he won’t be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.

The House voted Thursday afternoon to find Holder in criminal and civil contempt for refusing to turn over the documents. President Barack Obama invoked his executive privilege authority and ordered Holder not to turn over materials about executive branch deliberations and internal recommendations.

In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, the department said that it will not bring the congressional contempt citation against Holder to a federal grand jury and that it will take no other action to prosecute the attorney general. Dated Thursday, the letter was released Friday.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/29/4599437/gop-wins-contempt-fight-but-legal.html#storylink=cpy

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What kind of government have we got that the AG can get away
with supressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation?

The same as GW had- whos DOJ didn't prosecute his administration officials (White House Counsel Harriet Myers and Chief of Staff Josh Bolten) when they were found in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents....

Faster Horses--did you rant and rave and whine as loud back then about what a terrible government we had that could get away with suppressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation :???: :p :lol:

Or do you put your rose colored glasses on when its some of your R cult folks that do it ?
 

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Oldtimer said:
Faster horses said:
The Justice Department declared Friday that Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to withhold information about a bungled gun-tracking operation from Congress does not constitute a crime and he won’t be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.

The House voted Thursday afternoon to find Holder in criminal and civil contempt for refusing to turn over the documents. President Barack Obama invoked his executive privilege authority and ordered Holder not to turn over materials about executive branch deliberations and internal recommendations.

In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, the department said that it will not bring the congressional contempt citation against Holder to a federal grand jury and that it will take no other action to prosecute the attorney general. Dated Thursday, the letter was released Friday.

Continue Reading:

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/29/4599437/gop-wins-contempt-fight-but-legal.html#storylink=cpy

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What kind of government have we got that the AG can get away
with supressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation?

The same as GW had- whos DOJ didn't prosecute his administration officials (White House Counsel Harriet Myers and Chief of Staff Josh Bolten) when they were found in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents....

Faster Horses--did you rant and rave and whine as loud back then about what a terrible government we had that could get away with suppressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation :???: :p :lol:

Or do you put your rose colored glasses on when its some of your R cult folks that do it ?
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On a 223 to 32 vote, the House approved contempt citations against White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet E. Miers over their refusal to cooperate with an investigation into the mass firings of U.S. attorneys and allegations that administration officials sought to politicize the Justice Department.

Ot was anyone killed?? Tell that to the Brian Terry family..... Ot you are such an ass****!
 
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katrina said:
Oldtimer said:
Faster horses said:
The Justice Department declared Friday that Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to withhold information about a bungled gun-tracking operation from Congress does not constitute a crime and he won’t be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.

The House voted Thursday afternoon to find Holder in criminal and civil contempt for refusing to turn over the documents. President Barack Obama invoked his executive privilege authority and ordered Holder not to turn over materials about executive branch deliberations and internal recommendations.

In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, the department said that it will not bring the congressional contempt citation against Holder to a federal grand jury and that it will take no other action to prosecute the attorney general. Dated Thursday, the letter was released Friday.

Continue Reading:

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/29/4599437/gop-wins-contempt-fight-but-legal.html#storylink=cpy

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What kind of government have we got that the AG can get away
with supressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation?

The same as GW had- whos DOJ didn't prosecute his administration officials (White House Counsel Harriet Myers and Chief of Staff Josh Bolten) when they were found in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents....

Faster Horses--did you rant and rave and whine as loud back then about what a terrible government we had that could get away with suppressing evidence subpeoned in an investigation :???: :p :lol:

Or do you put your rose colored glasses on when its some of your R cult folks that do it ?
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On a 223 to 32 vote, the House approved contempt citations against White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet E. Miers over their refusal to cooperate with an investigation into the mass firings of U.S. attorneys and allegations that administration officials sought to politicize the Justice Department.

Ot was anyone killed?? Tell that to the Brian Terry family..... Ot you are such an ass****!

So you are now one of those that think its guns that kill people... I still prefer to think its criminals that kill people - knowing that these criminals were already getting guns long before the Obama administration launched their investigation...

If you believe otherwise- then answer me why did the Bush administration do their almost identical Operation Wide Receiver - where they allowed hundreds of guns to be sold to Mexico- most of which were lost track of?
The majority of the first batch of 450 guns the Bush DOJ was involved in investigating were lost track of too... I wonder how many folks were killed with them? Do you think GW and his AG should be investigated and prosecuted if its found one of those guns was a death gun :???: ... One of those evil guns you believe that kills people :roll:

The Mexican criminals have been buying guns from criminals in the US for several years- and the Mexicans have long complained of it...Knowing how law enforcement often has to work- especially when dealing with so many foreign officials on the take and paid off by the cartels/criminals- I'm just happy that they are doing something to try and catch these criminals-especially those at the top ...

Now Katrina-- am I supposed to call you some nasty name so I can act like this new style " conservative" ? :roll: :p :lol:
 

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Wide Receiver, though flawed, was more of a gun-tracing operation than a gun-walking program. Gun-tracing involves putting specific safeguards in place to track firearms, such as RFID chips perhaps with video or aerial surveillance. Gun-walking is what happened in Fast and Furious, where ATF agents sold thousands of guns without a reliable way to recover them, apparently just hoping for the best.

Some of the guns from Wide Receiver were implanted with RFID chips and were actively tracked electronically. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Phoenix also implemented aerial surveillance tactics in an attempt to follow the weapons.

However, problems reportedly arose due to poorly implanted RFID chips which were forced into the guns, bending the antennas and decreasing their effectiveness. Cartels and straw purchasers also eventually came up with creative ways to shake tracking maneuvers and overhead surveillance, such as driving in loops for hours until surveillance planes had to refuel.

Those in charge of Fast and Furious took no similar steps to strengthen their chances of recovering walked guns other than recording the serial numbers before watching them disappear in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

Around 2,000 guns were let to "walk" in the Fast & Furious exercise. About 5 times that of Wide Receiver, which was shut-down and deemed a failure in 2007.

What made the ATF bring back a flawed program without even ATTEMPTING to track them through electronic means? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

If nothing else they were stupid......................
 

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Mike said:
Wide Receiver, though flawed, was more of a gun-tracing operation than a gun-walking program. Gun-tracing involves putting specific safeguards in place to track firearms, such as RFID chips perhaps with video or aerial surveillance. Gun-walking is what happened in Fast and Furious, where ATF agents sold thousands of guns without a reliable way to recover them, apparently just hoping for the best.

Some of the guns from Wide Receiver were implanted with RFID chips and were actively tracked electronically. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Phoenix also implemented aerial surveillance tactics in an attempt to follow the weapons.

However, problems reportedly arose due to poorly implanted RFID chips which were forced into the guns, bending the antennas and decreasing their effectiveness. Cartels and straw purchasers also eventually came up with creative ways to shake tracking maneuvers and overhead surveillance, such as driving in loops for hours until surveillance planes had to refuel.

Those in charge of Fast and Furious took no similar steps to strengthen their chances of recovering walked guns other than recording the serial numbers before watching them disappear in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.


once again ole numb nuts got it wrong!!
 
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2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes

The suspicious sale of AR-15s led to Operation Wide Receiver.The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division. With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border", Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation. These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.


At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011 , nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms. As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.


Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations. No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.
 

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Why would the "Obama Administration's" ATF bring back to life a failed adventure in Mexican gun smuggling and even EXPAND it?

WITHOUT ANY measures to track the guns. Why?

We do know that agents hit a brick wall with the prosecutors in the DOJ in getting warrants, etc. during the exercise.

Only one answer. To make the statements by Hillary, etc. that 90% of the guns in Mexico came from the U.S. seem more plausible and ignite a renewed push for gun control.........................

I believe it came from the top down and they intentionally let those guns walk.
 

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The best part of this site is to watch you all split hairs.Too bad you cant all wake up and see that all your heros have flaws.I just cant see much in the way of a difference between the outcomes of Bush or Obamas policies.Cant see any change comming from Romney that will help the situation .Ronald Reagan was little more than a right leaning democrat that ruined the Republican Party. :p :lol: Rock on Oldtimer.Keep the fires burning :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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The News media keep calling Operation Fast and Furious a "bungled operation". There was nothing bungled about it, it was intended to make what happened happen. The only thing bungled about it was that it came to light because there were actually some BATFE Agents with a sense of right and wrong who would have nothing to do with it and not let it stand. If you would listen to and read what politicians in this administration were saying well before the op went down, you'd understand that their claims of US guns in the hands of the cartels was our (the American People's) fault. What the operation was for was to facilitate their "truth", to make sure that American weapons did "fall into" the bad guy's hands. They just gave them a great big push.
 
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The News media keep calling Operation Fast and Furious a "bungled operation". There was nothing bungled about it, it was intended to make what happened happen. The only thing bungled about it was that it came to light because there were actually some BATFE Agents with a sense of right and wrong who would have nothing to do with it and not let it stand. If you would listen to and read what politicians in this administration were saying well before the op went down, you'd understand that their claims of US guns in the hands of the cartels was our (the American People's) fault. What the operation was for was to facilitate their "truth", to make sure that American weapons did "fall into" the bad guy's hands. They just gave them a great big push.

The Mexican police and government has long been saying that the majority of the weapons going to the Mexican criminals was coming from the US... Bush even had meetings with Vincente Fox over the problem...They formed Task Forces to combat the violence and drugs...
There is no way you can say this is a problem invented by Obama, his administration, liberals or whoever... The problem has long existed..

So if you have Americans legally buying guns- then knowingly selling them to illegals for smuggling or illegally smuggling them into Mexico--- while profiteering greatly while doing so- who's fault is it?
Some very crooked Americans are knowingly making huge profits off from aiding and abetting Mexican drug and criminal cartels... To me they are no different than the crooks using the guns- and the full power of law enforcement and the law should be brought down against them...
 

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> DOJ refuses to prosecute Holder on contempt!!!!



it's hard to prosecute someone when you have nothing to prosecute them for. the contempt vote on holder was nothing but a dog and pony show, which is all the rebublicans have turned out to be. i can assure you, if they had any evidence at all, they would prosecute. ...


:lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:
 

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flounder said:
> DOJ refuses to prosecute Holder on contempt!!!!



it's hard to prosecute someone when you have nothing to prosecute them for. the contempt vote on holder was nothing but a dog and pony show, which is all the rebublicans have turned out to be. i can assure you, if they had any evidence at all, they would prosecute. ...


:lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:

DOJ lied. Seems you have a hard time grasping reality. :roll:
 

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Mike said:
flounder said:
> DOJ refuses to prosecute Holder on contempt!!!!



it's hard to prosecute someone when you have nothing to prosecute them for. the contempt vote on holder was nothing but a dog and pony show, which is all the rebublicans have turned out to be. i can assure you, if they had any evidence at all, they would prosecute. ...


:lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:

DOJ lied. Seems you have a hard time grasping reality. :roll:


Getting an assurance from flounder is like getting a placebo for a heart attack....WORTHLESS
 

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flounder said:
> DOJ refuses to prosecute Holder on contempt!!!!



it's hard to prosecute someone when you have nothing to prosecute them for. the contempt vote on holder was nothing but a dog and pony show, which is all the rebublicans have turned out to be. i can assure you, if they had any evidence at all, they would prosecute. ...


:lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:

The SOB LIED to Congress TWICE. An ICE officer has been killed and who knows how many innocent Mexican citizens. Holder has documents that he's hiding and now your president* has implicated himself. To claim that there is nothing there reveals either a total ignorance of the facts or a total sellout of country to the party.
 

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flounder said:
> DOJ refuses to prosecute Holder on contempt!!!!



it's hard to prosecute someone when you have nothing to prosecute them for. the contempt vote on holder was nothing but a dog and pony show, which is all the rebublicans have turned out to be. i can assure you, if they had any evidence at all, they would prosecute. ...


:lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:

Flounder there are few things that the leftwing Media like CNN and CBS and rightwing media like Fox News agree on. And the fact they both claim Holder lied to Congress about what and when he knew about Fast and Furious tells anyone with a half a brain that Holder was not on the up and up with his testimony.

WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.


On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."


Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious.

He admitted the letter that the Congress got from his office was filled with misleading statements ie LIES about Fast and Furious.

(CBS News) CBS News has learned the House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. It's the fourth time in 30 years that Congress has launched a contempt action against an executive branch member.


This time, the dispute stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious "gunwalking" investigation.


The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.


However, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., says the Justice Department has refused to turn over tens of thousands of pages of documents. Those include materials created after Feb. 4, 2011, when the Justice Department wrote a letter to Congress saying no gunwalking had occurred. The Justice Department later retracted the denial.

Then you have the Wiretap applications reports that were released late on a Firday night so the media would miss reporting on them that Holder claimed there were no details in them.

On May 3, 2011 Attorney General Eric Holder testified under oath before a Congressonal committee that he first heard of the gun-walking program Fast and Furious in the last few weeks.

“I’m not sure about the exact date but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

In October of last year FOX News reported that AG Holder was identified in documents to be aware of Fast and Furious not once but twice in 2010. One document was post October 18, 2010 and the other was from July 2010. Then in January 2012 another document revealed that Eric Holder was notified of Fast and Furious the day Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered in Arizona.

Now this…
In May Rep. Darrell Issa (R_CA) delivered a letter to Eric Holder containing a startling amount of detail about the Fast and Furious operation. Holder has maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such detail. It looks like Holder was just caught in another lie.
Rollcall reported:

In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell.

The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.


Ask yourself what law honoring DOJ OK's a wiretap without knowing the DETAILS to why the the applicant needs the said wiretap?

First ten months went by after Holders Office sent a letter to the Congress that contained lies and Holder did nothing until he was forced to somewhat correct the misleading letter. He did nothing to provide the names to WHO was responsible for Fast and Furious or the letter that denied knownledge of that operation. Then when he was asked about the Wiretaps he lied again about what was in the applications. AND GOT CAUGHT REDHANDED and you are still thinking we are going to believe he did nothiong wrong. LIEING TO A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING IS A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY A STAY IN PRISON. AND THAT IS WHERE HOLDER BELONGS. :roll:
 

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