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Gunman in Wisconsin Temple Shooting Identified as “Frustrated Neo-Nazi”

DINESH RAMDE and TODD RICHMOND, Associated Press | Monday, August 6, 2012

OAK CREEK, Wis. (AP) — The gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin before he was shot to death by police was identified Monday as a 40-year-old Army veteran and former leader of a white supremacist metal band.


LawOfficer Coverage: Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting

First Assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Haanstad in Milwaukee identified the shooter as Wade Michael Page. Page joined the Army in 1992 and was discharged in 1998, according to a defense official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release information yet about the suspect.

Officials and witnesses said the gunman walked into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee and opened fire as several dozen people prepared for Sunday services. When the shooting ended, seven people lay dead, including Page. Three others were critically wounded in what police called an act of domestic terrorism.

Page was a "frustrated neo-Nazi" who led a racist white supremacist band, the Southern Poverty Law Center said Monday. Page told a white supremacist website in an interview in 2010 that he had been part of the white-power music scene since 2000 when he left his native Colorado and started the band, End Apathy, in 2005, the nonprofit civil rights organization said.

He told the website his "inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole," according to the SPLC. He did not mention violence in the website interview.

End Apathy's biography on the band's MySpace page said it began in 2005 and was based in Nashville, N.C. It said their music "is a sad commentary on our sick society and the problems that prevent true progress."

Joseph Rackley of Nashville, N.C., told the AP on Monday that Page lived with his son for about six months last year in a house on Rackley's three acres of property. Wade was bald and had tattoos all over his arms, Rackley said, but he doesn't remember what they depicted. He said he wasn't aware of any ties Page may have had to white supremacists.

"I'm not a nosy kind of guy," Rackley said. "When he stayed with my son, I don't even know if Wade played music. But my son plays alternative music and periodically I'd have to call them because I could hear more than I wanted to hear."

Page joined the military in Milwaukee in 1992 and was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before switching jobs to become one of the Army's psychological operations specialists, according to the defense official.

So-called "Psy-Ops" specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for information and psychological effect; they research and analyze methods of influencing foreign populations.

Fort Bragg, N.C., was among the bases where Page served.

Police in the temple's hometown of Oak Creek, Wis., planned to release more information about their investigation Monday. Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said the FBI was leading the investigation because the shootings are being treated as domestic terrorism, or an attack that originated inside the U.S.

Satpal Kaleka, wife of the temple's president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, was in the front room and saw the gunman enter the temple, according to Harpreet Singh, their nephew.

"He did not speak, he just began shooting," said Singh, relaying a description of the attack from Satpal Kaleka.

Kaleka said the 6-foot-tall bald white man — who worshippers said they had never before seen at the temple — seemed like he had a purpose and knew where he was going.

"We never thought this could happen to our community," said Devendar Nagra, 48, of Mount Pleasant, whose sister escaped injury by hiding as the gunman fired in the temple's kitchen. "We never did anything wrong to anyone."

Late Sunday, the investigation moved beyond the temple as police, federal agents and the county sheriff's bomb squad swarmed a neighborhood in nearby Cudahy, evacuated several homes and searched a duplex. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent Tom Ahern said warrants were being served at the gunman's home. Residents were allowed to return to their homes Monday.

During a chaotic few hours after the first shots were fired around 10:30 a.m., police in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles surrounded the temple with armored vehicles and ambulances. Witnesses struggled with unrealized fears that several shooters were holding women and children hostage inside.

Edwards said the gunman "ambushed" one of the first officers to arrive at the temple as the officer, a 20-year veteran with tactical experience, tended to a victim outside. A second officer then exchanged gunfire with the suspect, who was fatally shot. Police had earlier said the officer who was shot killed the suspected shooter.

The wounded officer was in critical condition along with two other victims early Monday, authorities said.

Tactical units went through the temple and found four people dead inside and two outside, in addition to the shooter.

Jatinder Mangat, 38, of Racine, a nephew of the temple's president, said when he learned that people had died, "it was like the heart just sat down."

Balginder Khattra of Oak Creek, said Monday that his 84-year-old father, Suveg Singh Khattra, was among the six people police said were killed. Khattra says his father didn't speak English but loved living in America.

Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans — which are considered sacred — and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.

The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website.

Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs are not Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.

The shootings also came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.
 

Steve

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it is a shame his association with the military will leave some to highlight that part of his life,.. and use it to tarnish the military.

The Pentagon identified the slain suspect as Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old white male formerly attached to the US Army base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina as a "psychological operations specialist".

Page served between April 1992 and October 1998, and was a paratrooper who received two good conduct awards and a National Defence Service Medal. An official said Wade was reduced in rank from sergeant to specialist before he was discharged, but gave no reason.


. it is even more of a shame he took six decent people with him...
 

Steve

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and while I feel this is an atrocious act.. I am still wondering how this elevated from a hate crime to domestic terrorism..

the wackjob in Colorado has instilled more fear,..involved multiple weapons and bombs.. was intended to kill indiscriminately yet was not ever considered domestic terrorism.

even now there is little doubt it was a horrific hate crime,.. but terrorism?

what really makes that distinction?
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
and while I feel this is an atrocious act.. I am still wondering how this elevated from a hate crime to domestic terrorism..

the wackjob in Colorado has instilled more fear,..involved multiple weapons and bombs.. was intended to kill indiscriminately yet was not ever considered domestic terrorism.

even now there is little doubt it was a horrific hate crime,.. but terrorism?

what really makes that distinction?



I don't think they even considered Fort Hood to be "domestic terrorism", it was "workplace violence"


Now that the obama administration is working with al queda, in Syria, it will be US citizens who are the "terrorists" more often.

They might even call out the drones over ranches.
 

cowman52

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The ONLY reason it gets a name is to let someone with an angle, an agenda, a purpose, to think that his label is so much more descriptive than the other guys, but no the only reason it gets a label is to push an agenda.
The ft hood shootings, the Colorado shootings, the Milwaukee shootings, the OBAMA presidency can ALL be labeled as the same exact thing---a big *#€#**#^£+€# wreck.
See it for what it is and leave the bull at the door. :!:
 

hopalong

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You know that any mention of a neo nazi, tea party, skinhead conservitive or anything will get oldtimers attention so he can point fingers,,,,true or nor all he needs is ONE little mention of someone he does not like oldtimer get a tingle and uses his depends as a back up to soak up the wee wee :D :D
 

hypocritexposer

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hopalong said:
You know that any mention of a neo nazi, tea party, skinhead conservitive or anything will get oldtimers attention so he can point fingers,,,,true or nor all he needs is ONE little mention of someone he does not like oldtimer get a tingle and uses his depends as a back up to soak up the wee wee :D :D



I don't like Neo Nazis or skinheads either, but what OT is trying to do is more than just making mention of groups he doesn't like.
 

Steve

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consider this...

Shooter Jared Lee Loughner Is a Satanist, a Pot-head, and a Heavy Metal Rock Music Addict Who Spitefully Had Declared:

No! I will not trust in God

Jared Lee Loughner is a Satan worshipper. New York’s Daily News published photos of a “Devil shrine” and altar found in the Loughner family’s back yard of their home in suburban Tucson. What appear to be sinister candles, a skull, and other paraphernalia are all shown there in photos. The Daily News used words like “chilling,” “sinister,” “twisted,” and “frightening” to describe what was found by investigators.

Over the years I have investigated almost all the criminal cases of mass killers and assassins, and in virtually every case, I found the same things. Just as with Jared Lee Loughner, all the killers were involved in some form of Satanic worship as well as being crazed fans of heavy metal rock music. As we shall see, Loughner was a hard-core heavy metal music addict.

According to court records, Loughner had had two previous offenses:[16] in October 2007, he was cited in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia

also noted that conspiracy theories had a profound effect on Loughner, particularly the online conspiracy theory film Zeitgeist: The Movie, with which friends claimed Loughner held an obsession.[17][49] He was a member of the conspiracy theory message board, Above Top Secret, although members of the site did not respond warmly to his posts.[50][51][52] Loughner espoused 9/11 conspiracy theories;[47] New World Order conspiracy theories; and beliefs in a 2012 apocalypse, among other controversial viewpoints.

as the facts came out it was clear the guy was mentally ill and all the signs were missed...

just like the last wackjob..

We’ve heard on the news recently that the shooter of the Dark Knight Rises movie theater massacre had his booby-trapped apartment playing loud obnoxious heavy metal music over and over, apparently in the hope that the neighbors would call the police and then enter the unlocked apartment and blow the place, and them along with it, to smithereens. I wonder also, if this was the genre of music he was accustomed to listening to, and may have played a part in setting the “mood” for violence,

while it may look like heavy metal music or conspiracy theories is the common link,.. I would say mental illness is what they all shared to bad they didn't just shoot the voices in their head.. :mad:

either way, heavy metal and satanic worship is not Christian nor right-wing values.. and most of the conspiracy theories fly in the face of what most right wing conservative Christians believe..

but that doesn't stop some from trying to link them..
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
hopalong said:
You know that any mention of a neo nazi, tea party, skinhead conservitive or anything will get oldtimers attention so he can point fingers,,,,true or nor all he needs is ONE little mention of someone he does not like oldtimer get a tingle and uses his depends as a back up to soak up the wee wee :D :D



I don't like Neo Nazis or skinheads either, but what OT is trying to do is more than just making mention of groups he doesn't like.

as a Christian and a conservative, I haven't seen many Neo-nazi or skin heads views I would remotely agree with and I have never heard a heavy metal song worth listening to.. so how could any one remotely claim these are right-wing?
 

gearhead

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I for one AM a Christian and an Infidel and I listen to lots of heavy metal. So you can't link all in that group sorry. There are people who listen to country and commit heinous crimes. People today look for anything to pin the blame. I am also a republican that doesn't collect a single check from any government. Local, state or fed for those too ignorant.
I can guarantee that if more people carried, this would happen less, as most who commit these crimes are cowards. They prey on the vulnerable, weak and timid.
 

Steve

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gearhead said:
I for one AM a Christian and an Infidel and I listen to lots of heavy metal. So you can't link all in that group sorry. There are people who listen to country and commit heinous crimes. People today look for anything to pin the blame. I am also a republican that doesn't collect a single check from any government. Local, state or fed for those too ignorant.
I can guarantee that if more people carried, this would happen less, as most who commit these crimes are cowards. They prey on the vulnerable, weak and timid.

I wasn't trying to link violence to heavy metal.. just showing how somethings could be incorrectly linked..

in fact.. I thought I was clear,..
while it may look like heavy metal music or conspiracy theories is the common link,.. I would say mental illness is what they all shared to bad they didn't just shoot the voices in their head.. :mad:

and
either way, heavy metal and satanic worship is not Christian nor right-wing values.. and most of the conspiracy theories fly in the face of what most right wing conservative Christians believe..

but that doesn't stop some from trying to link them..

maybe I should have bolded the and instead of just underlining it?
 

Steve

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gearhead said:
I for one AM a Christian and an Infidel and I listen to lots of heavy metal. So you can't link all in that group sorry. There are people who listen to country and commit heinous crimes. People today look for anything to pin the blame. I am also a republican that doesn't collect a single check from any government. Local, state or fed for those too ignorant.
I can guarantee that if more people carried, this would happen less, as most who commit these crimes are cowards. They prey on the vulnerable, weak and timid.

I actually know a guy in a Christian heavy metal band.. I tried to listen to his cd once and just couldn't.. to harsh in my opinion.. but then it wouldn't be heavy metal if he toned it down a bit...

Music doesn't cause mental illness.. even if I don't like it..

BTW I don't like disco or rap either.. and I don't think rap causes mental illness.. (disco might)
 

cowman52

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LIFE----STUFF HAPPENS---

Some body with a whole lot more knowledge than us here has or will link it together, probably accomplished it way long ago 'bout the same time that cows were designed.
Being gay, being nuts, being anything just part of the deal we draw at first breath, and don't understand at last breath.
Kinda like going to the hen house to pick eggs, might ought to watch for a snake in the nest.
 
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Christopher Robillard of Oregon, who described Page as "my closest friend" in the service more than a decade ago, said Page was pushed out of the military for showing up to formation drunk.

He described Page as "a very kind, very smart individual -- loved his friends. One of those guys with a soft spot." But even then, Page "was involved with white supremacy," Robillard said.

"He would talk about the racial holy war, like he wanted it to come," Robillard said. "But to me, he didn't seem like the type of person to go out and hurt people."

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Nevertheless, Potok called Page "a neo-Nazi skinhead in the very thick of the white supremacist movement."


A definite rightwingernutcase...

His spewing of Hate talk reminds me of some of our rightwingernut posters and Tea Party folks ... The sad thing is that they not only begin believing the hate they now spout- but then try and suck in even weaker minded followers.....
 

katrina

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Oldtimer said:
Christopher Robillard of Oregon, who described Page as "my closest friend" in the service more than a decade ago, said Page was pushed out of the military for showing up to formation drunk.

He described Page as "a very kind, very smart individual -- loved his friends. One of those guys with a soft spot." But even then, Page "was involved with white supremacy," Robillard said.

"He would talk about the racial holy war, like he wanted it to come," Robillard said. "But to me, he didn't seem like the type of person to go out and hurt people."

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Nevertheless, Potok called Page "a neo-Nazi skinhead in the very thick of the white supremacist movement."


A definite rightwingernutcase...

His spewing of Hate talk reminds me of some of our rightwingernut posters and Tea Party folks ... The sad thing is that they not only begin believing the hate they now spout- but then try and suck in even weaker minded followers.....




:disagree:

Where's the puke emoticon?
 

Larrry

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Oldtimer said:
Christopher Robillard of Oregon, who described Page as "my closest friend" in the service more than a decade ago, said Page was pushed out of the military for showing up to formation drunk.

He described Page as "a very kind, very smart individual -- loved his friends. One of those guys with a soft spot." But even then, Page "was involved with white supremacy," Robillard said.

"He would talk about the racial holy war, like he wanted it to come," Robillard said. "But to me, he didn't seem like the type of person to go out and hurt people."

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Nevertheless, Potok called Page "a neo-Nazi skinhead in the very thick of the white supremacist movement."


A definite rightwingernutcase...

His spewing of Hate talk reminds me of some of our rightwingernut posters and Tea Party folks ... The sad thing is that they not only begin believing the hate they now spout- but then try and suck in even weaker minded followers.....


ever wonder how low a liberal will stoop to insinuate something?
 

loomixguy

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Oldtimer said:
Christopher Robillard of Oregon, who described Page as "my closest friend" in the service more than a decade ago, said Page was pushed out of the military for showing up to formation drunk.

He described Page as "a very kind, very smart individual -- loved his friends. One of those guys with a soft spot." But even then, Page "was involved with white supremacy," Robillard said.

"He would talk about the racial holy war, like he wanted it to come," Robillard said. "But to me, he didn't seem like the type of person to go out and hurt people."

---------

Nevertheless, Potok called Page "a neo-Nazi skinhead in the very thick of the white supremacist movement."


A definite rightwingernutcase...

His spewing of Hate talk reminds me of some of our rightwingernut posters and Tea Party folks ... The sad thing is that they not only begin believing the hate they now spout- but then try and suck in even weaker minded followers.....

Old Whiskeybreath musta run out of windows to lick and crayons to eat....
 

Mike

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Neo Nazis are neither right wing or left wing, they are a hate group with more similarities to radical Islam, Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, etc., etc. and any radical group that uses violence to advance their politics...

Socialism, a true Nazi trait is undoubtedly "Left Wing".

Anti-Semitism, a Neo-Nazi upheld belief that shares those ideals with Adolf Hitler.

Adolf Hitler would definitely not be construed as "Right-Wing".

Democrats have always been known as those who have endorsed slavery, and anti-civil rights advocates in the 1960's.

Just ask anyone who knew Sen. Robert Byrd in his younger days. :roll:
 

hopalong

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oldtimer is FAMOUS for his insuations 99% of the time UNTRUE..
Known to point fingers mostly UNTRUE
Known to make false claims of harrasnment
Known to slander

so pardon me and most of the folks on here for not giving him any respect :roll: :roll:

I forgot to mention his fondness for rape and pillage,
Calling Cindy McCain a bimbo
Sarah a slut
Tam worse
MsSage not nice as well..
Fh he has demeaned
his hatred for women is well noted by all...
 
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