Domestic Terrorists

[Anonymous]

Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2011


4 domestic terror suspects ordered to stay in jail
ATLANTA —
Four suspected members of a fringe north Georgia militia group were ordered to stay in jail by a Magistrate Court judge on Wednesday.

Frederick Thomas, Dan Roberts, Ray Adams and Samuel Crump all made their first appearance Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Gainesville. All four men walked into court wearing orange jumpsuits issued by the Hall County Jail.

The four men were arrested Tuesday by federal authorities and charged with plotting to buy explosives and trying to make a deadly toxin in a plot to attack unnamed government officials. Authorities say at least two of the suspects are former federal employees.

Magistrate Court Judge Susan Cole read the charges against all four men and asked them if they could afford to hire their own attorneys. All four said no and requested court appointed lawyers instead. Minutes later, a Hall County prisoner transport van took the four suspects back to jail, Channel 2's Richard Elliot reported.

Friends and relatives of some of the suspects sat in back of court and watched the proceedings. As they left, all of them, including the suspects' attorney, declined to comment.

The men were part of a group that also tried to obtain an unregistered explosive device and sought out the complex formula to produce ricin, a biological toxin that can be lethal in small doses, according to a federal complaint.
The men live in the north Georgia towns of Cleveland and Toccoa. Channel 2's Eric Philips traveled across the area on Wednesday and spoke to neighbors.

Lisa Knight told Philips she lives next to Samuel Crump and Crump's sister and never suspected anything.

"He actually helped me out with getting my kids Christmas presents and stuff. I would have never thought of nothing like that," Knight said.

Residents say Crump and Adams frequented a Toccoa Waffle House restaurant.



"I'd see Ray and Sammy all the time and I love them both to death and would do anything for them," said worker Justin Gaddison. Other restaurant workers told Philips that they heard the men openly trying to recruit for their group and they often complained about the government.

The men have been talking about "covert" operations since at least March 2011, according to court records, discussing murder, theft and using toxic agents and assassinations to undermine the state and federal government.

At one meeting, investigators said, Thomas openly discussed creating a "bucket list" of government employees, politicians, corporate leaders and members of the media he felt needed to be "taken out." Thomas' wife, Charlotte, called the charges "baloney."

"He spent 30 years in the U.S. Navy. He would not do anything against his country," she told The Associated Press.

Thomas and Roberts are accused of buying what they believed was a silencer and an unregistered explosive from an undercover informant in May and June 2011. Prosecutors said he discussed using the weapons in attacks against federal buildings.

Prosecutors said Crump also discussed making 10 pounds of ricin and dispersing it in Atlanta and various cities across the nation, suggesting it can be blown out of a car speeding down an interstate highway. Crump worked at the Center for Disease Control in the past for a contractor that did maintenance at the agency.


Adams, meanwhile, is accused of showing an informant the formula to make ricin and identifying the ways to obtain the ingredients. He worked as a lab technician for a USDA agency known as the Agricultural Research Service.

Charlotte Thomas said her husband was arrested in a restaurant in Cornelia, Ga., and federal agents were at her home when she returned from the grocery store Tuesday afternoon. She said the agents wouldn't let her in her home.

"They tore up my house," Thomas said.

She said her husband doesn't have an attorney yet.

Margaret Roberts, of Toccoa, said FBI agents showed up with a search warrant and went through her home, handcuffing her and taking a computer and other items.

She said her husband is retired from the sign business and lives on pensions.

"He's never been in trouble with the law. He's not anti-government. He would never hurt anybody," she said.

U.S. Attorney Sally Quillian Yates said the case is a reminder that "we must also remain vigilant in protecting our country from citizens within our own borders who threaten our safety and security."

 

[hypocritexposer]

oh, I thought this was an occupy wall street thread

 

[Mike]

Wonder if these old ex-military guys in their 70's are any more terrorists than this ATF employee? :

"If you're going to make an omelet, you've got to scramble some eggs." -- ATF Group VII supervisor David Voth to Agent John Dodson when he complained that letting guns walk was going to get people killed.

 

[hopalong]

Wonder if these old ex-military guys in their 70's are any more terrorists than this ATF employee? :

"If you're going to make an omelet, you've got to scramble some eggs." -- ATF Group VII supervisor David Voth to Agent John Dodson when he complained that letting guns walk was going to get people killed.

Sound like some statement oldtimer would have used,,,(or maybe he did in another post)) :wink: :wink:

 

[flounder]

snip...


Sound like some statement oldtimer would have used,,,(or maybe he did in another post)) :wink: :wink:

hopalong, it is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt...


:lol: :lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:

 

[jigs]

a domestic terrorist, by definition, is a person from this nation, wishing to do the nation harm.... Obama is trying to harm this nation, perhaps he could be listed as a domestic terorist.... nope, he was born in Africa....so he is just a plain old terrorist trying to kill America from with in

 

[Larrry]

Wasn't the OWS crowd considered "domestic terrorists" They would sure fit the definition

 

[hopalong]

snip...


Sound like some statement oldtimer would have used,,,(or maybe he did in another post)) :wink: :wink:

hopalong, it is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt...


You told that one about yourself in another forum flipper, at least you are consistently informing us all about you and your agendas
EH terry the self proclaimed expert , h s drop out that likes to be called DR phony

:lol: :lol2: :nod: :tiphat: :wave:
:wink: :wink:

 

[Steve]

sounds like the senior citizens section of the OWS,..

At least two of the accused men, Thomas and Roberts, have experienced financial trouble. Thomas and his wife filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 1995. The couple owed small amounts of money in medical debts during the years leading up to their bankruptcy filing.

Records also show that in 2001 and 2002, the couple was issued judgments in the amounts of $8,056.81 and $9,224,27, respectively, owed to the Land'Or Club. There is a property owners association and lake community known as Lake Land'Or in Ruther Glen, Va., about 30 miles from Thomas' former home in Frederickburg.

Roberts, who retired in recent years from owning a sign company, has had several financial judgments against him in Stephens County. Court records show a number of people and businesses filed complaints beginning in 2004 in amounts ranging from $1,290 to $2,046. And in August 2010, two federal tax liens in the amounts of $927 and $6,612 were issued against Roberts.

n March and April 2011, Thomas, Roberts, Adams and others attended meetings at the Toccoa, GA Waffle House where participants discussed targeting various government officials, including employees of federal agencies such as the Internal Revenue Service.

while it must be devastating to run into serious financial trouble in your later years, resorting to violence is not the answer..


and now to tie it back to the OWS*,...

this is a prime reason the anti-establishment talk associated with the OWS is so disturbing. yes it is terrible to have financial trouble and blame those who brought the reality to your doorstep,.. but talk of violence is not good.. and can cause some to actually take the call to violence seriously..






*this is disturbing.. any right/left radical action that calls for violence as this does not help achieve an ideological goal, .It just kills innocent people.. and destroys lives.. and linking it to conservative/liberal groups that denounce violence is wrong ...