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Don't Touch The Queen

MsSage

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Protocol seems to be dispensed with when the Obamas come to town.

Michelle Obama and the Queen slipped their arms around each other towards the end of a reception at Buckingham Palace held in honor of the G20 leaders and their wives.

The president and his wife appeared very relaxed in the company of the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh from the start.

By the end of the evening, the two women were standing side by side and appeared to be chatting about their height difference. As they moved closer and continued to chat, the Queen put her hand on the back of Mrs. Obama, who did the same for a few moments. Before she departed, the Mrs. Obama told the Queen: "I really enjoyed our meeting."

It had been considered a breach of protocol to touch the Queen. When the former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating put his arm around the Queen in 1992, he was branded the "Lizard of Oz". When his successor, John Howard, was accused of doing the same, a spokesman insisted: "We firmly deny that there was any contact whatsoever."

Presents were exchanged between the heads of state. Obama gave the Queen an iPod containing a video of her visit to Virginia, Washington, in 2007. In return, he received a signed photograph of the royal couple.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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This administration needs to read Protocol for Dummies. :roll:


The Kennedy's time was return to Camelot the Obama's will be The Beverly Hillbillies Part 3
 

leanin' H

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500 years from now liberals will still try to justify stupid actions by saying But Bush Did It!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
How about telling us what ya think of your guy screwing up? Or his gal?
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
kolanuraven said:
You people will ' swallow a camel and gag on a gnat'................................. :roll: :roll:

What a great saying. That's basically what I thought about this subject. Huh?

Where were they when Bush barfed all over the Japanese or committed his numerous gaffes or mixed up world leaders. Talk about lacking protocol and class. And his father was an ambassador and president and the DCI so he was brought up with a silver spoon in his mouth.

gee thats' nice blame bush,.. but wasn't Obama's "world view so important to the liberals,.. wasn't Obama touted as a person who could reach out and not offend other cultures?

so far his experience as a child in Indonesia isn't paying off.. :roll: :roll: :wink:
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
Steve, that remains to be seen. I believe that the Obamas will do will with foreign dignitaries.

Your suggestion that Obama did not do well is not at all what the press is saying about this visit, nor what the Queen's representatives are saying about Michelle Obama and the Queen's "moment".

Perhaps it is the Americans who are quick to yell "protocol" and "royalty" and the British who are more relaxed and natural? Very ironic.

I could care less if Obama slapped the queen's rear,.. but by all the adoration heaped on Obama by the "world view" libs,.. and how he would restore our respect in the world because he understood other's cultures,... Well, so far it isn't happening..
 

kolanuraven

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Why are most of you concerned about the Queen anyway???.

I remember when she came to the US many of us, me included, said that we'd love to go see and meet her.


We're were damned for that comment and many of you were very vile and vocal and damning to the Queen........NOW you're worried if someone touched her not.????????? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



You guys must be dizzy from switching back and forth so much.....................................
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
Why are most of you concerned about the Queen anyway???.

I remember when she came to the US many of us, me included, said that we'd love to go see and meet her.


We're were damned for that comment and many of you were very vile and vocal and damning to the Queen........NOW you're worried if someone touched her not.????????? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



You guys must be dizzy from switching back and forth so much.....................................

This coming from the ranchers.net DRAMA QUEEN no other than kolo!
 

leanin' H

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I agree that all the fancy smancy protocol is mostly fluff. But i guess my point is that some of ya'll will and have let Obama slide on stuff you'd really get ruffled over if Bush or a Republican did the same thing. Sure he is the poster boy of your party and you agree with his ideals. But when he does and says things that bring trouble to America why do you keep following blindly? This thread is about hugging the Queen, but what about important stuff like, the R-word comment? His approving the bill that gave the bonus's only to get excited when people noticed? Call a spade a spade and hold the guy accountable. You dang sure screamed every chance ya got @ Bush! From tax cheats to banning guns! From queen hugs to broken promises! Obama has managed to tick off a lot of people and wake a bunch more up. My question to you all is what's next? Whatever he touches since becoming President has sure got messed up. :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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leanin' H said:
I agree that all the fancy smancy protocol is mostly fluff. But i guess my point is that some of ya'll will and have let Obama slide on stuff you'd really get ruffled over if Bush or a Republican did the same thing. Sure he is the poster boy of your party and you agree with his ideals. But when he does and says things that bring trouble to America why do you keep following blindly? This thread is about hugging the Queen, but what about important stuff like, the R-word comment? His approving the bill that gave the bonus's only to get excited when people noticed? Call a spade a spade and hold the guy accountable. You dang sure screamed every chance ya got @ Bush! From tax cheats to banning guns! From queen hugs to broken promises! Obama has managed to tick off a lot of people and wake a bunch more up. My question to you all is what's next? Whatever he touches since becoming President has sure got messed up. :wink:


I just see BIGGER issues in this world than if the Queen was touched. And by the by......the Queen didn't react badly in anyway, did she?

So if she does not mind...why should anyone else.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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kolanuraven said:
leanin' H said:
I agree that all the fancy smancy protocol is mostly fluff. But i guess my point is that some of ya'll will and have let Obama slide on stuff you'd really get ruffled over if Bush or a Republican did the same thing. Sure he is the poster boy of your party and you agree with his ideals. But when he does and says things that bring trouble to America why do you keep following blindly? This thread is about hugging the Queen, but what about important stuff like, the R-word comment? His approving the bill that gave the bonus's only to get excited when people noticed? Call a spade a spade and hold the guy accountable. You dang sure screamed every chance ya got @ Bush! From tax cheats to banning guns! From queen hugs to broken promises! Obama has managed to tick off a lot of people and wake a bunch more up. My question to you all is what's next? Whatever he touches since becoming President has sure got messed up. :wink:


I just see BIGGER issues in this world than if the Queen was touched. And by the by......the Queen didn't react badly in anyway, did she?

So if she does not mind...why should anyone else.


The Queen has CLASS. :)

Protocol is just that. It probably doesn't mean much to us old hicks but there is was are done that are proper behavior for certain occasions. He also bowed to the Saudi king. That is not proper for a US president to do that. Only his loyal Muslim subject are to do that. Oh wait, maybe it was proper. :shock:
 

VanC

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reader (the Second) said:
leanin' H said:
I agree that all the fancy smancy protocol is mostly fluff. But i guess my point is that some of ya'll will and have let Obama slide on stuff you'd really get ruffled over if Bush or a Republican did the same thing. Sure he is the poster boy of your party and you agree with his ideals. But when he does and says things that bring trouble to America why do you keep following blindly? This thread is about hugging the Queen, but what about important stuff like, the R-word comment? His approving the bill that gave the bonus's only to get excited when people noticed? Call a spade a spade and hold the guy accountable. You dang sure screamed every chance ya got @ Bush! From tax cheats to banning guns! From queen hugs to broken promises! Obama has managed to tick off a lot of people and wake a bunch more up. My question to you all is what's next? Whatever he touches since becoming President has sure got messed up. :wink:

No one paid the kind of itsy bitsy microscopic attention to Bush that this thread and too many threads pay to Obama.

I at least had an issue with Bush's policies and his Veep. While the jokes comparing his face to a chimp's were funny, I never thought criticizing his looks or his every movement was acceptable since he was the president. Even now, I believe that he was misled by Cheney and others but I expect our president to do a better job at picking his cabinet and listening to the different voices.

I mentioned Bush's barfing and gaffes because those are on the level of Great Crumpets Michelle Obama and the Queen embracing. Big deal. In the scope of what's going on in the world, it's remarkable that people are LOOKING for reasons to post 20 criticizing threads a day. Borrrringgg.

As for Obama, he's doing things and I bet he will make a lot of mistakes because he's leaning forward and making bold moves in extremely challenging times. It will take time to see if his economic strategies help the serious state the country is in. I like a lot of the people he has appointed and actions he has taken to be frank. I'm thrilled to see him concerned about education, food safety, restoring science, enforcing regulation and oversight. He seems to be being conservative about Iraq and Afghanistan which is sensible.

George W. Bush didn't do the barfing. The incident happened in 1992 during a state dinner in Japan when the first President Bush became ill and then fainted.
 

jigs

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If I were to meet the Queen, I would politely thank her for handling the Falkens Island war on thier own.....thought we would have to finish that one like the two Big Wars !

piss on the Queen, and on her protocol. she wipes her ass just like the rest of us.




I think it is funny listening to our resident proper ladies Kola and R2D2 talk bout swallowing and gagging..... sure sounds like they are experianced!
 

Tam

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kolanuraven said:
I just see BIGGER issues in this world than if the Queen was touched. And by the by......the Queen didn't react badly in anyway, did she?

So if she does not mind...why should anyone else.
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Royal protocol forbids physical contact with the Queen beyond handshakes, a single hand handshake if the Queen offers her hand, not the double hand kind like both Obama's greeted her with on national TV. By doing anything more you are showing dis-respect to the Country's rules, according to the British citizen that was on TV last night. But I guess it doesn't matter that UK citizens saw the "OBAMA's" disrespecting their Queen. Just like it didn't matter that the Obama's offended the UK when Browns were in the US and recieved what they saw as RUDE treatment.

And from one article I read there has only been 4 times that this protocol has been broken over the years and both the Obama's broke it, not only in the hand shake but also with Michelle's hugging. :roll:

It was just on TV that the one guy that touched the Queen by putting his hand on she back as a guiding hand, the UK media called him a lizard. But I'm guessing Michelle will see better treatment. :wink:
 

leanin' H

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reader (the Second) said:
leanin' H said:
I agree that all the fancy smancy protocol is mostly fluff. But i guess my point is that some of ya'll will and have let Obama slide on stuff you'd really get ruffled over if Bush or a Republican did the same thing. Sure he is the poster boy of your party and you agree with his ideals. But when he does and says things that bring trouble to America why do you keep following blindly? This thread is about hugging the Queen, but what about important stuff like, the R-word comment? His approving the bill that gave the bonus's only to get excited when people noticed? Call a spade a spade and hold the guy accountable. You dang sure screamed every chance ya got @ Bush! From tax cheats to banning guns! From queen hugs to broken promises! Obama has managed to tick off a lot of people and wake a bunch more up. My question to you all is what's next? Whatever he touches since becoming President has sure got messed up. :wink:

No one paid the kind of itsy bitsy microscopic attention to Bush that this thread and too many threads pay to Obama.

I at least had an issue with Bush's policies and his Veep. While the jokes comparing his face to a chimp's were funny, I never thought criticizing his looks or his every movement was acceptable since he was the president. Even now, I believe that he was misled by Cheney and others but I expect our president to do a better job at picking his cabinet and listening to the different voices.

I mentioned Bush's barfing and gaffes because those are on the level of Great Crumpets Michelle Obama and the Queen embracing. Big deal. In the scope of what's going on in the world, it's remarkable that people are LOOKING for reasons to post 20 criticizing threads a day. Borrrringgg.

As for Obama, he's doing things and I bet he will make a lot of mistakes because he's leaning forward and making bold moves in extremely challenging times. It will take time to see if his economic strategies help the serious state the country is in. I like a lot of the people he has appointed and actions he has taken to be frank. I'm thrilled to see him concerned about education, food safety, restoring science, enforcing regulation and oversight. He seems to be being conservative about Iraq and Afghanistan which is sensible.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then! :D If by appointing a tax cheat to LEAD the IRS is good with you, i'll disagree. If his naming A secretary of the interior who halts drilling throughout Utah and helps put wolves back on the endangered list is fine with you, i'll disagree. I'll disagree over his pandering to the global warming crowd when SCIENCE is used for propaganda in an enviromental agenda! I will disagree with his comments on the Tonight show! I'll disagree with his broken campaign promises to read all legislation and cut out earmarks! I will disagree when he funds abortions and appoints radical judges to the bench. I will disagree with him on healthcare and taxes and spending and foreign relations and Tony Resco and a bunch of other things he has done and said that weaken our country and lead us towards socialism. You can disagree with me as you seem to like alot of the policies i just mentioned. But at the end of the day as he continues to makes BIG mistakes (some of which WE ALL will pay for for years and years), how long until you too start to see he makes it up as he goes? I'll make ya a friendly wager! :D He doesn't get elected to a 2nd term. How bout we bet a Pepsi? :wink:
 

Larrry

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Just remember you liberals, don't get so googlie eyed that you fail to see the cliff. Many of the things he is doing is contradictory to what he promised when you thought he was the man for the job. Already there are many reasons a conservative can now say "I told you so" So please honestly evaluate him, just do not stab your ancestors and the brave men before us who fought for our freedoms. Your ancestors deserve that you do all you can to preserve the freedoms they fought and many died for. I will not stand silently by and let our freedoms be discarded like yesterdays trash.
 

Mrs.Greg

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My dad was born in Canada to British parents{both from Scotland},my mom was born in Aberdeen like all her family before her,my British roots are VERY strong!I know right from wrong if I ever got close to the queen,but trust me,if I had the chance I'd give her a HUGE hug.....Good for Mrs. President :D
 

Tam

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Did the First Lady break protocol?

Friday, April 03, 2009
LONDON: The rules are set in stone, and so the eagerly watching British media sputtered when the First Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama, briefly put her hand on the back of Queen Elizabeth II as the two chatted at a reception. Etiquette is quite stern about this (“Whatever you do, don’t touch the Queen!”).

In 2007 John Howard, then Prime Minister of Australia, got plenty of criticism for apparently putting his arm around the Queen to direct her through a crowd. He denied actually touching her, but photographs suggest that he came quite close. Another former Australian Prime Minister did put his hand on the Queen in a similar circumstance and was later branded “the Lizard of Oz.”

Of course, there are corollaries to this. One must certainly touch the Queen if the monarch offers her hand (though you should return this not with a firm handshake but just a touch). On Wednesday, Michelle Obama put her hand on the Queen only after the Queen had placed her own hand on the First Lady’s back as part of their conversation. So there is room for theological argument as to whether the American reciprocity of touch was allowable given the social dynamics of the situation. (Less explicable was when President George W Bush winked at the Queen.) Still, the sight of anyone apparently touching the Queen with anything more than a limp handshake is enough to send the British (or traditionalists in the old Commonwealth) twittering.

The First Lady of the United States is not required to curtsey before her or any other crowned head. In any case, the touch lasted just a second or two, and the Queen did not seem particularly perturbed - though she appeared slightly surprised as she drew away.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=170571

and why did she pull away?

In this democratic age, the queen will go along with anything ... But like most members of the royal family, she doesn't like to be touched. It doesn't come naturally to press the flesh.
– Kenneth Rose
SOURCE: The Washington Post
13 hours ago
 
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