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Drenched in blood of slavery

hypocritexposer

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Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

The U.S. Senate voted unanimously last week to adopt a resolution apologizing for slavery.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, lead sponsor of the resolution, said, "You wonder why we didn't do it 100 years ago. It is important to have a collective response to a collective injustice."

Only after decades of public education ignoring and distorting U.S. history can such a huge lie be said with a straight face.

Senator, you didn't do it 100 years ago because 100 years ago you Democrats were enforcing Jim Crow segregation laws, poll taxes to keep blacks from voting, and riding around in sheets and pointy hats just in case blacks didn't get the message.

You say "It's important to have a collective response" because you want to bury the origins, purposes, and historical practices of your own party.

The worst part is, Republicans in the Senate let you get away with it.

Principled Republicans knowing their history would have authored a resolution reciting the facts that the Republican Party was formed, among other reasons, to oppose slavery and that the Republican Party and its first President Abraham Lincoln responded to Southern, Democrat-led secession with a successful war that preserved the union and freed the slaves.

After Lincoln's assassination (by a Democrat), the Republican-led Congress (over the objections of the Democratic Party minority) amended the Constitution to confirm the liberation of the slaves (13th Amendment: slavery abolished), and the 14th Amendment (freed slaves are citizens equal to all citizens) and the 15th Amendment (right to vote guaranteed to freed slaves).

Southern Democrats spent the next 100 years trying to keep freed slaves down with segregation laws, poll taxes to deny the right to vote, and lynching to enforce the social order. The KKK was formed by a Democrat; no Republican has ever been a member of the KKK. This is the heritage of the Democratic Party.

In fact, the Democratic Party was formed in the first place to defend and expand slavery.

In 1840, the very first national nominating convention of the Democratic Party adopted a platform which read in part:

Resolved, That Congress has no power ... to interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several states ... that all efforts by abolitionists ... made to induce Congress to interfere with questions of slavery ... are calculated ... to diminish the happiness of the people, and endanger the stability and permanency of the union.

Got that, Sen. Harkin? Your party was born defending slavery as necessary for the happiness of the people and threatening secession and war if slavery were challenged.

The same party platform language was used in 1844, 1848, 1852 and 1856. In 1860, the Democrat commitment to slavery took a harsher tone.

The Fugitive Slave Law was passed by Congress in 1850. This monstrous law provided that, since slaves were the personal property of their masters, runaway slaves must be returned to their owners. The law required all law enforcement officers to assist in the recapture of runaway slaves or risk a fine of $1,000 (about $100,000 in today's dollars)!

The Republican Party was formed in the 1850s in part as a political reaction to this unjust law.

In their national convention of 1860, Democrats harshly responded to certain Northern (Republican) states that were passing state laws to evade the Fugitive Slave Law by adopting a plank in the Democratic Party Platform which read:

Resolved, That the enactments of the State Legislatures to defeat the faithful execution of the Fugitive Slave Law, are hostile in character, subversive of the Constitution, and revolutionary in their effect.

Senator, your Democratic Party has much to be apologetic about on the slavery issue.

During the civil war, the Southern Democrats led the Confederacy out of the Union; Northern Democrats formed a separate party which opposed the war. The 1864 (Northern) Democratic Party platform adopted a "peace" plank which read in part:

... after four years of failure to restore the union by the experiment of war ... justice, humanity, liberty, and the public welfare demand ... a cessation of hostilities ... to the end that ... peace may be restored ...

Here is the origin of today's Democratic Party "Peace at any Price, Better Red than Dead, Why Can't we all just get Along" foreign policy.

The war was started by Democrat secessionists, and just as President Lincoln was on the verge of victory, the Northern Democrats wanted to save the South and slavery with "peace talks"! Voters knew better in 1864 and re-elected Lincoln.

But the Democrats weren't through. In 1868, Sen. Harkin's party condemned the Republican Party in its party platform as the "Radical Party," and condemned Reconstruction in these unforgettable words:

Instead of restoring the Union, it (the Radical Party) has dissolved it, and subjected ten states (the former Confederate states) ... to military despotism and negro supremacy.

And, senator, don't tell me this is all ancient history in a lame attempt to evade the true origins of your party.

As recently as 1964, when the Senate debated the Civil Rights Act, Southern Democrats (including Al Gore's father) voted no. While Northern Democrats voted yes, their votes were not enough. The deciding votes to pass this landmark bill were provided by Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Ill., and the Republicans.

Republicans should be proud of their heritage of liberation of the slaves and civil rights voting record.

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.
 

Broke Cowboy

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hypocritexposer said:
Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.

If that comes to pass I think the bill would be pretty big - can you southerners afford it?

BC
 

backhoeboogie

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Broke Cowboy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.

If that comes to pass I think the bill would be pretty big - can you southerners afford it?

BC

BC I'd be almost willing to do so if it meant they'd go back and take the lies out of the history books.

75% of America is still convinced the Civil War was about slavery. You'd think slavery was abolished and war broke out the way the history books are written. In reality, it was a few years after the war broke out that slavery even became an issue.
 

CattleArmy

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We as a country can not pay for the sins of those before us forever. In my opinion it's like what happened with the Native Americans. Look the government set them up to become dependant on government services and now there is no way out of it.

Our generation didn't do either to either bunch and it's a part of history and it's time to get out of the past and into the present. JMHO
 

Mike

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75% of America is still convinced the Civil War was about slavery. You'd think slavery was abolished and war broke out the way the history books are written. In reality, it was a few years after the war broke out that slavery even became an issue.

Slavery was a part of the issue before the War Of Northern Aggression began.

There was already a movement in the southern slave states to free them, they even started the American Colonization Society to aid in shipping to Liberia the ones that wanted to go, but the majority of freed slaves were unemployed, indigent, and uneducated.

Most slave owners agreed that dumping that number of people on society here with no one to care for them would be a dis-service to the entire USA's welfare. When the war ended, the destitute whites, who were wealthy before the war, could no longer care for them and the conditions of blacks was terrible for years.

Generally speaking, "Slavery" would have been abolished on it's own without the War. It was just a matter of time.

But the southern people felt it was a "States Rights" issue to be dealt with by each respective state.
 

kolanuraven

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Broke Cowboy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.

If that comes to pass I think the bill would be pretty big - can you southerners afford it?

BC


Northern folk had slaves also........

It just wasn't a " southern thang"
 

kolanuraven

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backhoeboogie said:
Broke Cowboy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.

If that comes to pass I think the bill would be pretty big - can you southerners afford it?

BC

BC I'd be almost willing to do so if it meant they'd go back and take the lies out of the history books.

75% of America is still convinced the Civil War was about slavery. You'd think slavery was abolished and war broke out the way the history books are written. In reality, it was a few years after the war broke out that slavery even became an issue.


EXACTLY!!!!

The first issue was States Rights...the same thing you hear today with all this silly talk about succession amongst the states.

Northern folks had slaves also, granted in smaller numbers as they did not have large parcels of land to farm, but they were there.

And when the slaves were freed the North didn't welcome them with open arms by any means
 

Broke Cowboy

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kolanuraven said:
Broke Cowboy said:
hypocritexposer said:
Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.

If that comes to pass I think the bill would be pretty big - can you southerners afford it?

BC


Northern folk had slaves also........

It just wasn't a " southern thang"

Anyone south of the 49'th is a southerner - my American history is pretty good.

BC
 

Lonecowboy

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hypocritexposer said:
Drenched in blood of slavery
Roger Hedgecock

The U.S. Senate voted unanimously last week to adopt a resolution apologizing for slavery.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, lead sponsor of the resolution, said, "You wonder why we didn't do it 100 years ago. It is important to have a collective response to a collective injustice."

Only after decades of public education ignoring and distorting U.S. history can such a huge lie be said with a straight face.

Senator, you didn't do it 100 years ago because 100 years ago you Democrats were enforcing Jim Crow segregation laws, poll taxes to keep blacks from voting, and riding around in sheets and pointy hats just in case blacks didn't get the message.

You say "It's important to have a collective response" because you want to bury the origins, purposes, and historical practices of your own party.

The worst part is, Republicans in the Senate let you get away with it.

Principled Republicans knowing their history would have authored a resolution reciting the facts that the Republican Party was formed, among other reasons, to oppose slavery and that the Republican Party and its first President Abraham Lincoln responded to Southern, Democrat-led secession with a successful war that preserved the union and freed the slaves.

After Lincoln's assassination (by a Democrat), the Republican-led Congress (over the objections of the Democratic Party minority) amended the Constitution to confirm the liberation of the slaves (13th Amendment: slavery abolished), and the 14th Amendment (freed slaves are citizens equal to all citizens) and the 15th Amendment (right to vote guaranteed to freed slaves).

Southern Democrats spent the next 100 years trying to keep freed slaves down with segregation laws, poll taxes to deny the right to vote, and lynching to enforce the social order. The KKK was formed by a Democrat; no Republican has ever been a member of the KKK. This is the heritage of the Democratic Party.

In fact, the Democratic Party was formed in the first place to defend and expand slavery.

In 1840, the very first national nominating convention of the Democratic Party adopted a platform which read in part:

Resolved, That Congress has no power ... to interfere with or control the domestic institutions of the several states ... that all efforts by abolitionists ... made to induce Congress to interfere with questions of slavery ... are calculated ... to diminish the happiness of the people, and endanger the stability and permanency of the union.

Got that, Sen. Harkin? Your party was born defending slavery as necessary for the happiness of the people and threatening secession and war if slavery were challenged.

The same party platform language was used in 1844, 1848, 1852 and 1856. In 1860, the Democrat commitment to slavery took a harsher tone.

The Fugitive Slave Law was passed by Congress in 1850. This monstrous law provided that, since slaves were the personal property of their masters, runaway slaves must be returned to their owners. The law required all law enforcement officers to assist in the recapture of runaway slaves or risk a fine of $1,000 (about $100,000 in today's dollars)!

The Republican Party was formed in the 1850s in part as a political reaction to this unjust law.

In their national convention of 1860, Democrats harshly responded to certain Northern (Republican) states that were passing state laws to evade the Fugitive Slave Law by adopting a plank in the Democratic Party Platform which read:

Resolved, That the enactments of the State Legislatures to defeat the faithful execution of the Fugitive Slave Law, are hostile in character, subversive of the Constitution, and revolutionary in their effect.

Senator, your Democratic Party has much to be apologetic about on the slavery issue.

During the civil war, the Southern Democrats led the Confederacy out of the Union; Northern Democrats formed a separate party which opposed the war. The 1864 (Northern) Democratic Party platform adopted a "peace" plank which read in part:

... after four years of failure to restore the union by the experiment of war ... justice, humanity, liberty, and the public welfare demand ... a cessation of hostilities ... to the end that ... peace may be restored ...

Here is the origin of today's Democratic Party "Peace at any Price, Better Red than Dead, Why Can't we all just get Along" foreign policy.

The war was started by Democrat secessionists, and just as President Lincoln was on the verge of victory, the Northern Democrats wanted to save the South and slavery with "peace talks"! Voters knew better in 1864 and re-elected Lincoln.

But the Democrats weren't through. In 1868, Sen. Harkin's party condemned the Republican Party in its party platform as the "Radical Party," and condemned Reconstruction in these unforgettable words:

Instead of restoring the Union, it (the Radical Party) has dissolved it, and subjected ten states (the former Confederate states) ... to military despotism and negro supremacy.

And, senator, don't tell me this is all ancient history in a lame attempt to evade the true origins of your party.

As recently as 1964, when the Senate debated the Civil Rights Act, Southern Democrats (including Al Gore's father) voted no. While Northern Democrats voted yes, their votes were not enough. The deciding votes to pass this landmark bill were provided by Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Ill., and the Republicans.

Republicans should be proud of their heritage of liberation of the slaves and civil rights voting record.

It's Harkin and the Democrats who should apologize and pay reparations.

I wonder where Byrd is in all of this??
 

kolanuraven

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Broke Cowboy said:
kolanuraven said:
Broke Cowboy said:
If that comes to pass I think the bill would be pretty big - can you southerners afford it?

BC


Northern folk had slaves also........

It just wasn't a " southern thang"

Anyone south of the 49'th is a southerner - my American history is pretty good.

BC

Being Southern is MORE than a matter of geography.....WAY ,WAY more complicated than that!!!
 

Broke Cowboy

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kolanuraven said:
Broke Cowboy said:
kolanuraven said:
Northern folk had slaves also........

It just wasn't a " southern thang"

Anyone south of the 49'th is a southerner - my American history is pretty good.

BC

Being Southern is MORE than a matter of geography.....WAY ,WAY more complicated than that!!!

Depends on which country you live in.

Suppose a few folks get PO'd if I say you are all Yanks to me - but south of the 49 - you are a southerner to us northern folks

:D

Be that as it may - you ever decide to pay off for things that happened long before you were born - well, you will be broke for sure.

Simply ludicrous to think otherwise

BC
 

kolanuraven

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I don't think any $$$ should be paid to anyone.

It was and is history and that history has shaped & formed our country.

I've even asked as many of my black friends as I have been able to what did they think about this topic.

I asked about 10-15 people and NO ONE....NO ONE...thought any $$ should be paid for slavery.


If there is any money to be paid at all.....the first payout should go to the Native tribes of this country.


And being " Southern" is a way of life and a full fledged culture unto itself.

It's really something that can't be explained....it has to be lived to be understood!!! :lol: :lol:


And NO we're not all like Mike!
 

backhoeboogie

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African slave trade in Africa still exists today. There are a lot of humanitarians out there trying to buy slaves and set them free. As it works out, this only contributes to a higher demand and more traffic. There have been specials on the television about it. You can google all kinds of stories about it too.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
If there is any money to be paid at all.....the first payout should go to the Native tribes of this country.

Hasn't that already happened :?

The way I feel about that is if there was to be any payout it should only go to fullblood Indians. Does not make since for some 1/4 blood Indian to get squat. All 1/4 blood means is 3/4 of your relatives (white man) took the land from 1/4 of your Indians relatives. Makes no sense at all! :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
kolanuraven said:
I don't think any $$$ should be paid to anyone.

It was and is history and that history has shaped & formed our country.

I've even asked as many of my black friends as I have been able to what did they think about this topic.

I asked about 10-15 people and NO ONE....NO ONE...thought any $$ should be paid for slavery.


If there is any money to be paid at all.....the first payout should go to the Native tribes of this country.


And being " Southern" is a way of life and a full fledged culture unto itself.

It's really something that can't be explained....it has to be lived to be understood!!! :lol: :lol:


And NO we're not all like Mike!

I think we should be concerned about poverty and discrimination in our country, regardless of color or race. The time for reparations has long past. I agree with Kola. Thankfully, racism in the US is declining and more young black people are able to take advantage of education and professional opportunities. The picture is not so good for Indians. And there are plenty of Caucasian communities stranded in poverty without access to adequate education.

What picture is not so good for Indians? I don't understand what you are saying, are you saying Blacks are starting to have it good but the Indians still have it bad? :?
 

PATB

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The northern factory owners figured out early that is was cheaper to have indentured workers or hire someone than to feed, house and care for a worker. Slavery was only abolished below the mason-dixon line not in the north.
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
kolanuraven said:
I don't think any $$$ should be paid to anyone.

It was and is history and that history has shaped & formed our country.

I've even asked as many of my black friends as I have been able to what did they think about this topic.

I asked about 10-15 people and NO ONE....NO ONE...thought any $$ should be paid for slavery.


If there is any money to be paid at all.....the first payout should go to the Native tribes of this country.


And being " Southern" is a way of life and a full fledged culture unto itself.

It's really something that can't be explained....it has to be lived to be understood!!! :lol: :lol:


And NO we're not all like Mike!

I think we should be concerned about poverty and discrimination in our country, regardless of color or race. The time for reparations has long past. I agree with Kola. Thankfully, racism in the US is declining and more young black people are able to take advantage of education and professional opportunities. The picture is not so good for Indians. And there are plenty of Caucasian communities stranded in poverty without access to adequate education.

What picture is not so good for Indians? I don't understand what you are saying, are you saying Blacks are starting to have it good but the Indians still have it bad? :?

Been to Rosebud, Rocky Boy lately? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
I think we should be concerned about poverty and discrimination in our country, regardless of color or race. The time for reparations has long past. I agree with Kola. Thankfully, racism in the US is declining and more young black people are able to take advantage of education and professional opportunities. The picture is not so good for Indians. And there are plenty of Caucasian communities stranded in poverty without access to adequate education.

What picture is not so good for Indians? I don't understand what you are saying, are you saying Blacks are starting to have it good but the Indians still have it bad? :?

Been to Rosebud, Rocky Boy lately? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Been to Picher OK, or Weir KS? Lots of people have it rough race does not mean crap! Just Blacks and Indians like to look for excuses and people to blame it on.

People that chose to live on reservations for all the welfare perks and free housing. Should move, get a job and buy a home next to the white man.

How about the poor white people in the TN mountains, do they need someone to prop them up?

People always have to be the victim, life is simple, get a job, spend less than you make, save, invest and improver your life and the generations after you! Things are not that hard, well they use to not be. Who knows how it will be with all the Obama changes he is trying to make.

Probably be that the average Joe will work like a dog and live like the Indians on the reservations in the future.

Ps. You are barking at the wrong person about Indians, I been there done that. I live in an Indian hot spot. Went to school in Quapaw, lived in Peoria, moved to Wyandotte and then later to Miami and later to Seneca. In Case you do not know them are all Indian tribes. Every town in my area is named after Indians. My Sister and all her family work for Tribes, every friend I had in school now works for Tribes one way or another.
 
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