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Drone usage

Larrry

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Wildlife Officials Take On Drone Hunting Controversy


DENVER (CBS4)- The growing debate over drones used for hunting has wildlife officials tackling the debate.

Some hunters are using the unmanned flying devices to track their prey. That practice is causing controversy among hunters and those who oversee big game management.

Drones are one of the fastest growing tech products on the market. The technology offers a significant advantage for hunters.

Drones allow hunters to get up close to their target without having to spend hours and miles tracking them.

“We think it gives the hunter an unfair advantage,” said Backcountry Hunters & Anglers spokesman Tim Brass.

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers has proposed new bans on drones to game managers across the West.

“As the technology progresses you’re ow able to locate animals without having to walk and work for them. That effort and skill makes hunting what it is,” said Brass.

Drones in hunting is an issue that’s being tackled across the U.S. In Massachusetts PETA activists use drones to record videos of hunters in the field saying they’re trying to keep hunters honest. Colorado law calls that surveillance harassment.

Wildlife officials do worry about the use of drones because it could change the nature of the chase.

“Our goal is to make sure that the harvest of animals is done in an ethical fashion. That we’re not seeing people get out there and do things that are crossing the line,” said Colorado Parks & Wildlife spokesman Randy Hampton.

Drones are everywhere. In December 2013, Amazon.com announced a controversial plan to have drones deliver packages door to door.

Drones are even used to track the viability of wildlife.

Game managers believe the ban is needed now as drones become more prevalent in everyday life.

“We want to make sure people aren’t using technology to cheat the system,” said Hampton.

The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission will vote on regulations that prohibit the use of unmanned aircraft in hunting or scouting on Friday.

The Federal Aviation Administration that says shooting an unmanned aircraft is a crime.

So it looks like drone usage to track people is more acceptable than wildlife
 

Steve

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In general I would not use a drone.. but like any other "tracking style" method the idea is to find the animal.. so if one is out,.. then how can other low tech measures be out as well?



I would say it should depend on the circumstances..

take disabled hunters.. this could encourage many who have had to give up traditions hunts due to disabilities..

even here in liberal New Jersey I can hunt certain lands and use a crossbow in bow season.. for some that is an outrage.. but without the exemption many disabled people would be turned away from hunting.

so if a disabled person with mobility issues can't track traditionally a drone would help .. and allow them to hunt again..

another area is after shooting an animal.. and it isn't dead.. tracking can get real difficult.. even if the animal didn't go far.. if a drone cuts down on left wounded or dead animals, then it should be used..


PS my pet peeve is handicap/disability abuse. it takes from those who honestly need it.
( I practice with a bow and cross bow, and so far have only hunted with a bow. but had to pass the NJ safety test with a cross bow because of the law)
 

Tam

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If you can us a drone to find an animal that you are supposedly "HUNTING" does that give PETA, or anyone else that disagrees with you shooting animals, the same right to use a drone to track you and use their drone to scare the animals off before you have a chance to shoot them. I'm willing to bet this is going to lead to more hunting of drones and them being shot out of the air than animals being shot. Really are they really needed, how did people feed themselves before drones. :? :roll:

As far as the disabled I feel sorry for them but if they are truly disabled enough to think they need Drones to do their hunting for them are they going to have a drone field dress the animal and pack it out of the woods for them too?

Hunting is about the hunt and using drones is something that needs to be looked at very seriously or it could very well put another nail in the coffin of legal hunting if Animal activists can prove to sympathic lawmakers that the hunters are getting an unfair advantage over bambi. Don't forget what their fund raising abilities have already done to animal laws in the US.
 

leanin' H

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A drone has NO PLACE in hunting. Period. Is the drone gonna gut and drag the animal to the truck? Is the drone gonna take a hunters safety class? Is the drone going to be sure of it's target and what's behind it? If you need a drone to track an animal you are not a hunter.

And I have been a part of guiding many disabled/terminally ill hunters. Hunting is much more than a rifle shot. Especially when shot from a keyboard or a joystick.
 

Steve

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As far as the disabled I feel sorry for them but if they are truly disabled enough to think they need Drones to do their hunting for them are they going to have a drone field dress the animal and pack it out of the woods for them too?

by your snide response it doesn't look like you feel sorry for them one bit..


disabled for generations have used many ways to overcome their mobility disabilities.. tripods and pulleys,... carts.. to name a few.
I don't see anyone pulling apart a deer with their teeth.. no they use a tool called a knife.

a drone will not do the hunting, it is just a tool..


being a jerk towards those with disabilities is just plain mean..
 

Steve

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Hunting is much more than a rifle shot. Especially when shot from a keyboard or a joystick.

then what about a high powered scope?.. binoculars? really the only difference is only in the tech..

for me I would agree hunting is more then just a shot fired.. ,.. and to me in general using a drone before the shot would be wrong.. but i could fully understand using it to track afterwards if the wounded animal bounded off..


but that wasn't my point.. I was just showing one way this could be helpful for some.. for some just that rifle shot may be next to impossible without someone helping .. but not everyone wants to let someone else do all the work other then the shot.. they want to do as much as they can.

and if a drone gets a person more independent,. then I am for it..
 

Steve

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http://www.wideopenspaces.com/disabled-hunter-gets-second-chance/

I really doubt there is any way this guy could field dress or pack out any animal.. and can't even pull the trigger.. but he is still trying.. and he is only one example..

personally I admire people who do not give up and keep trying.. they are truly inspirational.. for anyone to think less of him is just wrong..
 

Tam

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Wow pretty snotty response there, But I guess if you are a guy like H and say the same thing you get a bit more respectful response right Steve. :roll:


And sorry but if a disable person wants to go hunting good for them more power to them but do they really need a drone? Why can't they hunt with a friend or hire a guide to help them where they might need the help? That would be a lot safer than hunting alone with a Hi TEC Drone. :roll:
 

Steve

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I hadn't finished with H yet.. considering the "tools" he uses..
I don't discount the needs for alot of gear.. but where do you draw the line?

clearly he understands that if he needs the gear they have another with less abilities may need a bit of help as well..


I really get a bit steamed when a person attacks disabled people who are trying and use a "tool" to help on a hunt..

as for him getting upset with a well thought out response. will wait to see what he thinks of this .. and how using one tool has merits in tracking where the others don't?

http://www.ranchers.net/forum/about61252.html
 

leanin' H

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Steve, I have the utmost respect for folks with disabilities. And I agree that things to help them keep their independence are very useful. But a drone would have almost zero chances of helping as you suggest it would. Thick trees and brush wouldn't let it track wounded animals. Looking for tiny blood drops is sometimes done on hands and knees. That is where friends and family step up. By allowing folks to help, it makes for pretty special hunting experiences, regardless of level of ability. I have shed more than a few tears with hunters who never thought they would ever harvest an animal. My brothers and I took turns giving a piggyback ride to a young man up a desert ridgeline so that he could be the first one at his downed trophy muledeer. One of the best days of my life! I thank him for allowing me to be a tiny part of that. And treasure his friendship. To substitute a drone or robot for me, would have taken that memory out of both of our lives. It is simply not worth it. Brian already had special permission to shoot from an ATV and had missed 11 bucks when we killed his buck. It was a trophy memory and better than any buck I have taken for myself. Technology has a place, but to me, a drone isn't feasible. In 30 years of hunting I cannot think of 1 time a drone would of helped anyone.


On a side note, come on out to Utah and lets go kicking around the desert. Bet ya a gumball we will have a blast without even using a paper airplane. :D
 

Steve

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Tam said:
Wow pretty snotty response there, But I guess if you are a guy like H and say the same thing you get a bit more respectful response right Steve. :roll:


And sorry but if a disable person wants to go hunting good for them more power to them but do they really need a drone? Why can't they hunt with a friend or hire a guide to help them where they might need the help? That would be a lot safer than hunting alone with a Hi TEC Drone. :roll:

here we go again... what is wrong with a disabled person hunting that gets you so upset?

why should a person have to hire someone to go hunting ? or take a friend..

why can't they have just as much opportunity as anyone else..




What about a person with a game camera? binoculars? scope?

I think the drone rules should be defined,.. just like any other rule,.. just let those who genuinely need them use them..

but usually the rules are made by folk up on a perch to busy shacking their fists at US ,,.

.. folk who can't see how far they have gone from the true meaning of what they claim to be advocating..
 

Steve

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In 30 years of hunting I cannot think of 1 time a drone would of helped anyone.

I've know of a few.. mostly with wounded deer.. person just couldn't find it.. and about the only way I would advocate for their use..


I lost one a few years ago.. I had walked right past it three times.
it happens.. it was after I started bow hunting .. two friends and I finally found it. but not after alot of walking ..


. sure would have been nice to be able to look down on it.. would have found it right away.. but there is no way I would spend that kind of money just to shorten up a walk.. :lol: ,
 

Steve

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leanin' H said:
Steve, I have the utmost respect for folks with disabilities. And I agree that things to help them keep their independence are very useful. But a drone would have almost zero chances of helping as you suggest it would. Thick trees and brush wouldn't let it track wounded animals. Looking for tiny blood drops is sometimes done on hands and knees. That is where friends and family step up. By allowing folks to help, it makes for pretty special hunting experiences, regardless of level of ability. I have shed more than a few tears with hunters who never thought they would ever harvest an animal. My brothers and I took turns giving a piggyback ride to a young man up a desert ridgeline so that he could be the first one at his downed trophy muledeer. One of the best days of my life! I thank him for allowing me to be a tiny part of that. And treasure his friendship. To substitute a drone or robot for me, would have taken that memory out of both of our lives. It is simply not worth it. Brian already had special permission to shoot from an ATV and had missed 11 bucks when we killed his buck. It was a trophy memory and better than any buck I have taken for myself. Technology has a place, but to me, a drone isn't feasible. In 30 years of hunting I cannot think of 1 time a drone would of helped anyone.


On a side note, come on out to Utah and lets go kicking around the desert. Bet ya a gumball we will have a blast without even using a paper airplane. :D

I really enjoyed your pictures.. and have alot of respect for anyone who helps those who are disabled.. but some people need to go it alone.

some aren't broken enough to want or accept help,.. but do need it..
and like a cross bow.. if it gets them started again.. it may be worth it..
 

leanin' H

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Steve said:
leanin' H said:
Steve, I have the utmost respect for folks with disabilities. And I agree that things to help them keep their independence are very useful. But a drone would have almost zero chances of helping as you suggest it would. Thick trees and brush wouldn't let it track wounded animals. Looking for tiny blood drops is sometimes done on hands and knees. That is where friends and family step up. By allowing folks to help, it makes for pretty special hunting experiences, regardless of level of ability. I have shed more than a few tears with hunters who never thought they would ever harvest an animal. My brothers and I took turns giving a piggyback ride to a young man up a desert ridgeline so that he could be the first one at his downed trophy muledeer. One of the best days of my life! I thank him for allowing me to be a tiny part of that. And treasure his friendship. To substitute a drone or robot for me, would have taken that memory out of both of our lives. It is simply not worth it. Brian already had special permission to shoot from an ATV and had missed 11 bucks when we killed his buck. It was a trophy memory and better than any buck I have taken for myself. Technology has a place, but to me, a drone isn't feasible. In 30 years of hunting I cannot think of 1 time a drone would of helped anyone.


On a side note, come on out to Utah and lets go kicking around the desert. Bet ya a gumball we will have a blast without even using a paper airplane. :D

I really enjoyed your pictures.. and have alot of respect for anyone who helps those who are disabled.. but some people need to go it alone.

some aren't broken enough to want or accept help,.. but do need it..
and like a cross bow.. if it gets them started again.. it may be worth it..

I have never said using tools was a bad thing. Using a crossbow is great if that helps ya. I simply think using a drone isn't a part of hunting. That isn't a shot at disabled hunters or able bodied hunters either. I just do not think they have a useful place in hunting. Did not mean to tick ya off. Do what works for you. But sharing the experience with others is an amazing part of hunting. In my humble opinion.
 

Tam

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Steve said:
Tam said:
Wow pretty snotty response there, But I guess if you are a guy like H and say the same thing you get a bit more respectful response right Steve. :roll:


And sorry but if a disable person wants to go hunting good for them more power to them but do they really need a drone? Why can't they hunt with a friend or hire a guide to help them where they might need the help? That would be a lot safer than hunting alone with a Hi TEC Drone. :roll:

here we go again... what is wrong with a disabled person hunting that gets you so upset?

why should a person have to hire someone to go hunting ? or take a friend..

why can't they have just as much opportunity as anyone else..




What about a person with a game camera? binoculars? scope?

I think the drone rules should be defined,.. just like any other rule,.. just let those who genuinely need them use them..

but usually the rules are made by folk up on a perch to busy shacking their fists at US ,,.

.. folk who can't see how far they have gone from the true meaning of what they claim to be advocating..

Where did I say I have a problem with a disabled person going hunting? NOWHERE that is where, so stop putting words in my mouth. :roll:

If they want to go more power to them, enjoy. I just think if they want to do it then do it as safe as possible. Like H said Take a family member or friend or hire a guide to help them, IE somebody that can actually help if they get into trouble.

Just so you know I believe EVERYONE, that includes able bodied hunters, should not hunt by themselves as you never know when things can go wrong and they will need help, but I guess I'm wrong about that too right Steve?
 

Ho55

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I really don't have much of an opinion on this topic, as I feel hunting has become more of a business than a sport. At least around here. People use their personal aircraft to go looking for trophy animals and I can't take a leak on the mountain without wondering if I'm on a camera. The so called guides wreck each other's trucks and block roads to keep poor hunters like me from shooting what they think is their trophy animals. I use to hunt a lot, but I can't compete with big money. Hell I can't even draw a deer tag and I winter most deer in this valley on my private ground.
 

Steve

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Just so you know I believe EVERYONE, that includes able bodied hunters, should not hunt by themselves as you never know when things can go wrong and they will need help, but I guess I'm wrong about that too right Steve?

I hunt and fish alot alone.. I like the quiet time.. I just let someone know where I am going and when to expect me back...

I also go out with friends as well. I have no preference either way.

sure things could go wrong.. and not just in hunting..

there is something about human nature in that we like to think we are independent.. and can get by without help.. and for most we can accept when we need help.. but when dealing with a person with disabilities often just offering help at first is met with anger..

they need to try themselves. and right or wrong you can't take that away from them.. if you do you may just destroy what little they have left..

It isn't easy watching a friend struggle,. but some need that struggle so they can overcome their disabilities.
 

Steve

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Ho55 said:
I really don't have much of an opinion on this topic, as I feel hunting has become more of a business than a sport. At least around here. People use their personal aircraft to go looking for trophy animals and I can't take a leak on the mountain without wondering if I'm on a camera. The so called guides wreck each other's trucks and block roads to keep poor hunters like me from shooting what they think is their trophy animals. I use to hunt a lot, but I can't compete with big money. Hell I can't even draw a deer tag and I winter most deer in this valley on my private ground.

I would have to agree that to many thoughtless hunters exist..

as for money.. sure wish the fool and his money would be parted a bit sooner when they are such jerks.
 

Steve

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Where did I say I have a problem with a disabled person going hunting? NOWHERE that is where, so stop putting words in my mouth. Rolling Eyes

If they want to go more power to them, enjoy. I just think if they want to do it then do it as safe as possible. Like H said Take a family member or friend or hire a guide to help them, IE somebody that can actually help if they get into trouble.

you didn't say it.. but I would have taken your response as a get lost.. you didn't say no.. but you sure as hell didn't look like you wanted a disabled person anywhere near hunting.

but lets get to what you did say..
IE somebody that can actually help if they get into trouble.

what the h311 is that supposed to imply.. that a person with disabilities is worthless? won't be able to help out? really..

how about go hire a guide to help out.. do you really think every disabled person needs to hire a guide? get help?

your posts are full of these little snippets..



why?
 
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