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Drones Now In Place Over America!

Faster horses

Well-known member
Written by Ray Vallorani (concerned citizen)


Did you ever think the day would come when you would have to be concerned about domestic use of camera-equipped drones over the skies of America? Well it’s here! Are you surprised? From news reports as of a couple of weeks ago, 348 drones were approved for domestic use, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Where did 69 percent of the applications come from for drone use? The Defense Department! Get ready to really be spied upon.

One big concern is that this is another attack on our constitutional rights. Drones are being used to kill terrorists in some parts of the world. The haunting question is “When will some law abiding American citizens be labeled as terrorists?”

The current administration is moving fast in many areas to further destroy our rights. Is the administration getting prepared for labeling those that don’t want to give up their second amendment rights as “terrorists?” Will drones start hunting down American citizens under the false label of being a terrorist? Will Americans be viewed as just blips on a screen? Will it be like playing a video game and the person at the controls wins all the time?

We need to start calling and writing our U.S. Senators and Congressmen to limit the use of these drones or to do away with them completely. Do we want to live in a police state? Maybe it’s not too late if we act now and tell our elected officials they will not get a vote in the next election unless something is done. Wake up patriotic Americans!







Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/01/drones-now-in-place-over-america/#ixzz2JUE3O5Ng
 

smalltime

Well-known member
Wouldn't you support using drones to secure the southern border?How about useing them to find drug growers?Keeping track of those peskey mormons with a compound and to many wives?Fly down the hiways and look for oldtimer driving home drunk from the waterhole :lol: .Sorry oldtimer ,I just couldnt resist.
 
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Anonymous

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smalltime said:
Wouldn't you support using drones to secure the southern border?How about useing them to find drug growers?Keeping track of those peskey mormons with a compound and to many wives?Fly down the hiways and look for oldtimer driving home drunk from the waterhole :lol: .Sorry oldtimer ,I just couldnt resist.

:lol: - that's OK- because it doesn't happen anyway...
FH doesn't realize they've had drones up here on the Canadian border for years... In fact I think Homeland Security has a headquarters for them and their manned aircraft they use along the border in Great Falls...And its my understanding that besides looking for illegal border crossings/smuggling they have aided local law enforcement in searchs for armed criminal suspects and stolen merchandise...

That really doesn't bother me....

The issue that bothers me is that everyone with a few bucks can now buy those things and use them for whatever reason their minds can dream up from spying on their business competition to checking out the neighbor lady sunbathing...
This is the area where Congress needs to get a handle on things- and it presents some dicey Constitutional issues on both sides....

Those darned forefathers never wrote drone law (airspace) into the Constitution... :wink:
 

Mike

Well-known member
Those darned forefathers never wrote drone law (airspace) into the Constitution..

They most certainly did cover it. By not specifically giving the Federal government the right to invade mine and your privacy.

Amendment IX:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Now, where’s the right to privacy?

It is clearly in those two amendments.

The most frequently quoted statement by a Supreme Court justice on the subject of privacy comes in Justice Brandeis's dissent in Olmstead v. U. S. (1928):

"The makers of our Constitution understood the need to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness, and the protections guaranteed by this are much broader in scope, and include the right to life and an inviolate personality -- the right to be left alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. The principle underlying the Fourth and Fifth Amendments is protection against invasions of the sanctities of a man's home and privacies of life. This is a recognition of the significance of man's spiritual nature, his feelings, and his intellect."
 
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Anonymous

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So if I have my drone flying over my land and with the new modern telephoto lenses it can look onto your land a mile or miles away - and look at/send back video of your wife sunbathing behind her fence- am I in violation of her privacy?

Or if you're my business competitor and my drone flying over my land can see some industrial project you are working on miles away- and allows me to get one step ahead of you and make a big profit while you don't...

In neither case did I leave my land or the airspace above my land...

A lot of questions those forefathers didn't answer- and that will need to be interpreted thru court decisions...
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
So if I have my drone flying over my land and with the new modern telephoto lenses it can look onto your land a mile or miles away - and look at/send back video of your wife sunbathing behind her fence- am I in violation of her privacy?

Or if you're my business competitor and my drone flying over my land can see some industrial project you are working on miles away- and allows me to get one step ahead of you and make a big profit while you don't...

In neither case did I leave my land or the airspace above my land...

A lot of questions those forefathers didn't answer- and that will need to be interpreted thru court decisions...

When we have satellites that can see nearly as much.. the line over privacy is already blurred.. but what the government does with the info is where the real problem comes in..

but like any other search,.. without a warrant,.. the courts will have to decide what is considered in plain view..

and with a plane.. that can be alot more.. :shock:
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
So if I have my drone flying over my land and with the new modern telephoto lenses it can look onto your land a mile or miles away - and look at/send back video of your wife sunbathing behind her fence- am I in violation of her privacy?

Or if you're my business competitor and my drone flying over my land can see some industrial project you are working on miles away- and allows me to get one step ahead of you and make a big profit while you don't...

In neither case did I leave my land or the airspace above my land...

A lot of questions those forefathers didn't answer- and that will need to be interpreted thru court decisions...

When we have satellites that can see nearly as much.. the line over privacy is already blurred.. but what the government does with the info is where the real problem comes in..

but like any other search,.. without a warrant,.. the courts will have to decide what is considered in plain view..

and with a plane.. that can be alot more.. :shock:

Yep-- you are so right... The courts have made "some" decisions on government owned/operated "planes"- and when and how they can be operated-- but now with the technology of everyone being able to own a drone- that flys far above their neighbors privacy fence (without leaving their own property) it opens up a whole new can of worms....

Those darned founding fathers didn't write into the Constitution how high up or where your airspace begins or ends....
And that is some major decisions that will have to be "decided" thru interpretation....
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
So if I have my drone flying over my land and with the new modern telephoto lenses it can look onto your land a mile or miles away - and look at/send back video of your wife sunbathing behind her fence- am I in violation of her privacy?

Or if you're my business competitor and my drone flying over my land can see some industrial project you are working on miles away- and allows me to get one step ahead of you and make a big profit while you don't...

In neither case did I leave my land or the airspace above my land...

A lot of questions those forefathers didn't answer- and that will need to be interpreted thru court decisions...

When we have satellites that can see nearly as much.. the line over privacy is already blurred.. but what the government does with the info is where the real problem comes in..

but like any other search,.. without a warrant,.. the courts will have to decide what is considered in plain view..

and with a plane.. that can be alot more.. :shock:

Yep-- you are so right... The courts have made "some" decisions on government owned/operated "planes"- and when and how they can be operated-- but now with the technology of everyone being able to own a drone- that flys far above their neighbors privacy fence (without leaving their own property) it opens up a whole new can of worms....

Those darned founding fathers didn't write into the Constitution how high up or where your airspace begins or ends....
And that is some major decisions that will have to be "decided" thru interpretation....


what's next, laws against peeping

:roll:
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
When we have satellites that can see nearly as much.. the line over privacy is already blurred.. but what the government does with the info is where the real problem comes in..

but like any other search,.. without a warrant,.. the courts will have to decide what is considered in plain view..

and with a plane.. that can be alot more.. :shock:

Yep-- you are so right... The courts have made "some" decisions on government owned/operated "planes"- and when and how they can be operated-- but now with the technology of everyone being able to own a drone- that flys far above their neighbors privacy fence (without leaving their own property) it opens up a whole new can of worms....

Those darned founding fathers didn't write into the Constitution how high up or where your airspace begins or ends....
And that is some major decisions that will have to be "decided" thru interpretation....


what's next, laws against peeping

:roll:

Show me some peeping laws... 99.5% have to be prosecuted as trespassing--BUT if I am 2-3 miles away with my drone flying over my property at an altitude where they can look into/over your security fence- while your wife lies there sun bathing-- and my drone sends back very close descriptive pictures of all she has to offer--- Is that peeping?

I'm not trespassing on your property-- or your airspace :???:

How high a fence do we have to build to protect ourselves from the neighbors drone :???:
Is the corporate satellite that views and videos your wife naked sunbathing in the back yard during its routine mapping guilty of peeping :???:

I remember the story told by a poster called Liberty Belle about how she was naked in her garden when a game warden drove in-- and she rightly felt infringed upon---
BUT
Boys and girls you ain't seen anything yet...
I've been out of law enforcement for almost a dozen years now --- and I know what could be done back then-- and you "paranoid all government is out to get you" folks better had to the store and buy up more Depends- because it is NO lie they can look into your window or read your license plates....
 

Mike

Well-known member
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress <<NOTE: Video Voyeurism Prevention
Act of 2004.>> assembled,

SECTION 1. <<NOTE: 18 USC 1801 note.>> SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of
2004''.

SEC. 2. PROHIBITION OF VIDEO VOYEURISM.

(a) In General.--Title 18, United States Code, is amended by
inserting after chapter 87 the following new chapter:

``CHAPTER 88--PRIVACY

``Sec.
``1801. Video voyeurism.

``Sec. 1801. Video voyeurism

``(a) Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction
of the United States, has the intent to capture an image of a private
area of an individual without their consent, and knowingly does so under
circumstances in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of
privacy, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one
year, or both.
``(b) In this section--
``(1) the term `capture', with respect to an image, means to
videotape, photograph, film, record by any means, or broadcast;
``(2) the term `broadcast' means to electronically transmit
a visual image with the intent that it be viewed by a person or
persons;
``(3) the term `a private area of the individual' means the
naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or
female breast of that individual;
``(4) the term `female breast' means any portion of the
female breast below the top of the areola; and
``(5) the term `under circumstances in which that individual
has a reasonable expectation of privacy' means--
``(A) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that he or she could disrobe in privacy,
without being concerned that an image of a private area
of the individual was being captured; or
``(B) circumstances in which a reasonable person
would believe that a private area of the individual
would not be visible to the public, regardless of whether that
person is in a public or private place.
 

beethoven

Well-known member
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134376/Is-drone-neighbourhood-Rise-killer-spy-planes-exposed-FAA-forced-reveal-63-launch-sites-U-S.html
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Anyone else find it kind of creepy that OT is so obsessed with what his neighbor's wife has to offer?

IF I was a female I wouldn't post a picture on this site again- or any reference to where I live-- this guy Oldtimer is very scarey-- especially considering his 30+ years of Law Enorcement experience....
 

Mike

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Anyone else find it kind of creepy that OT is so obsessed with what his neighbor's wife has to offer?

IF I was a female I wouldn't post a picture on this site again- or any reference to where I live-- this guy Oldtimer is very scarey-- especially considering his 30+ years of Law Enorcement experience....

Yessssssssssss
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Guess oldtimer has never heard of GOOGLE EARTH?????????? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Any one tht has a computer can google your address and see just waht is happening there!!!!!!! :D :D Not always real time but sure can see any improvements that are happening.... And if someones wife is sun bathing at the time the pass is made,,,YEP... :(
What is worse seeing oltimer changing his Depends :shock:

I have even used it to lay out fence lines :D :D :D
 
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