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Drug War in Phoenix?

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Anonymous

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Yep- thats what several of the Blog sites (vigilantes, etc.) have been reporting for weeks- but the Bush boys have pretty much kept it out of the mainstream news- not wanting to make the NAFTA partners and their supply of all their semislave labor for their elitist buddies- look bad...

Only Lou Dobbs has been reporting it quite a bit...The Governors of several of those States have called for the return of National Guard troops to the Border....

One of the sites reported that up to 1/4 of Mexicos Army has deserted- going to the gangs who pay much more- many in uniform taking their weapons, jeeps, humvees, rocket launchers, 50 cals, etc. with them...

They claim the warfare thats going on south of the border and that has killed thousands including Judges, Police Chiefs, Mayors, Americans, etc has spilled over onto the American side...One site was condemning the Administration for not warning US tourists of the problems- as many were being kidnapped, robbed, or murdered at roadblocks- because they couldn't tell which were the real ones and which were the Drug Gangs wearing uniforms...
The US Interior Dept did come out and close some land in the border area to recreating and camping because of the dangers...They said these areas are swarming with smugglers taking guns south for the Drug Cartels, and smuggling drugs and aliens back on return trips...
 

RobertMac

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OT said:
...but the Bush boys have pretty much kept it out of the mainstream news...

The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????
 
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RobertMac said:
OT said:
...but the Bush boys have pretty much kept it out of the mainstream news...

The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????

Actually- most of these media outlets are so integrated since Bush's FCC let every merger go thru-against the wishes of all testimony of the general public-- that the majority are controlled now by just a few owners at the top- who can control what they want you to hear or not.....
Just like the Packer mergers :shock:

I don't know who or why it isn't more public- like I said Dobbs, who wants to see Border Security, is about the only one talking it up....Its just like these Border Governors are being avoided...
 

Ben H

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Lack of media coverage is such a good point. A few months ago Glenn Beck was really going after the border issues; then he got side tracked with the elections. It is his intent to come back to this issue, he has a member of his staff who's job it is to do nothing but read the newspapers of all the border towns to find these stories. He called a person in Laredo I believe it was, who had a family member kidnapped. He called to tell them he hasn't forgotten and will be on this. The person broke down crying, he was the only media person who had called.

It's unbelieveable the amount of deaths just barely over the border, the violence from the Cartels. It makes Iraq seem like Disney. Why don't we hear about the kidnapped americans? The girls given to a drug lord as a gift. Heads on fence posts, boddies thrown to the side of the road wrapped up with trash bags and duck tapes, barrels full of body parts, heads rolled into a disco club.

Now lets talk about the Mexican army, some of you have and some of you probably haven't heard of the Zetas. It is basicly a Special Forces group, part of the Mexican army that we assisted with training and supplied equipment to this group to help stop drugs at the border. These guys were the best. Unfortunately the Cartels pay more and now work for them, they don't operate only on the Mexican side either.

I was in a mild argument the other day with someone, they were bringing up the lack of diversity in Maine, how he had been to other parts of the country and seen these migrant workers. That our country is built on them, they are good people wanting a better life., how he doesn't want to pick vegetables. First of all I don't believe there are any jobs americans won't do for a fair price. Next, what does the statue of liberty say?
Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door
Come though the door, let us check out your background and your health, after that, welcome to America. If you come here illegaly, get the hell out. At the same time let the person who employed the sit and think about it in jail for a little while. We need to set an example and get employers to stop taking advantage of these people. Get these Teenagers off the couch, put them to work instead. Bring back our manufacturing, when China sets off World War III we won't have anything to retool like we did in WWII, we'll be screwed.

Lets not forget about one of the guys in the article who said this country is theirs and they're taking it back. This isn't the first time I had heard that a lot of Mexicans believe the South West is rightfully theirs. That would help explain why so many of them won't learn english and fly the Mexican flag instead of the American one. If you want to come here for a better life then become an american, fly our flag and learn our language.

I guess this makes me a Racist, Hate Monger. If so, then I don't care what I'm called.
 

RobertMac

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Oldtimer said:
RobertMac said:
OT said:
...but the Bush boys have pretty much kept it out of the mainstream news...

The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????

Actually- most of these media outlets are so integrated since Bush's FCC let every merger go thru-against the wishes of all testimony of the general public-- that the majority are controlled now by just a few owners at the top- who can control what they want you to hear or not.....
Just like the Packer mergers :shock:

I don't know who or why it isn't more public- like I said Dobbs, who wants to see Border Security, is about the only one talking it up....Its just like these Border Governors are being avoided...

OT, you need to spend less time on the extreme left blogs...or at least listen to some Rush and O'Riely to balance your time on moveon and daily kos! ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and PBS have NOT merged...except in spirit and cause which is "HATE BUSH". These networks have biased the news against Pres. Bush since the 2000 election because the vast majority of reporters and all the editors are liberal Democrats!!! :mad: Ditto that for the NY Times and most print news!!! :mad: I gave up on all these as creditable news sources back in the seventies...and they are much more biased now than then.

Continue to drink the Obama kool-aid and vote for a man you know nothing about that will turn the USA into a second rate, socialist country!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

Ben H, great post...right on the money!!!! All you said will get worse with Obama!!!!!!! :mad:

I find it interesting that my spell check for "Obama" comes up "Osama"!!!!! :roll: :roll:
 

Ben H

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FYI, people may see typos in my posts, it's not because I'm an idiot. It's hard to see my screen. My laptop is hooked up to my TV, I use a cordless mouse and keyboard from my couch. I could take the time to zoom in more often, but oh well. My TV is a 37" LCD and my laptop a 17", both wide. The distance my couch is, you are actually viewing a smaller screen with the TV.
 
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What you so mad about Robert Mac- finding out that your cults Champion is in George Soros's back pocket :???: :wink: :lol: :p

Ben H--you are correct-I think I read the other day that there have been over 5,000 people killed in those Mexican Drug Wars- including many military, government, police, and judicial officials that were assassinated...And that included US citizens on both sides of the border...

GW has been trying to send the Mexicans a multi billion $ package of arms and aid- that has been held up in Congress because they wanted some assurances it didn't end up in the drug cartels hands...I heard today that it was signed by GW.....

And I don't know the reason why- the other networks and commentators haven't picked up on it- but I know CNN and especially Dobbs has- along with WorldNetDaily in many of their articles.....
 

RobertMac

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OT said:
What you so mad about Robert Mac- finding out that your cults Champion is in George Soros's back pocket

No, it's seeing someone I once respected posting like a leftwing blogger. Tell me, would you tolerate someone coming into your courtroom referring to you as "King"?????? I would think not, but your double standard illustrates your lack of creditability as a Judge.

In case you missed it, McCain was never my "Champion" until he became the only choice other than the socialist Obama, your Champion. Unfortunately, liberals win in this election no matter who is elected and I'm not surprised McCain has/had backing from Soros...after all, who has done more to tear down the Republican party than McCain? ...possibly Pres. Bush?
 
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RobertMac said:
OT said:
What you so mad about Robert Mac- finding out that your cults Champion is in George Soros's back pocket

No, it's seeing someone I once respected posting like a leftwing blogger. Tell me, would you tolerate someone coming into your courtroom referring to you as "King"?????? I would think not, but your double standard illustrates your lack of creditability as a Judge.

In case you missed it, McCain was never my "Champion" until he became the only choice other than the socialist Obama, your Champion. Unfortunately, liberals win in this election no matter who is elected and I'm not surprised McCain has/had backing from Soros...after all, who has done more to tear down the Republican party than McCain? ...possibly Pres. Bush?


Actually the term "The King" was the term adopted for Nixon by his administrations cadre of attorneys and aides he surrounded himself in, in his arrogant- believe he was above any law- everybody was out to get him, paranoid world...You dared not challenge an idea or give an opinion that didn't fit what "The King" wanted- or you'd be looking for a new job the next day- and be on his radical leftist list for the FBI to investigate as a Communist....

And with GW's name being George, I thought it fits so well!!! Only thing different is today if you challenge GW- you are considered a nonpatriot, radical leftist, and on his terrorist list.... :roll: :(

I'm kind of like a scorned woman- I sometimes trust people too much- and give a person the benifit of the doubt until they are proven wrong...But once someone lies to me- or cheats on me- or is shown to be corrupt - and especially continues to overtly get caught in falsehoods and corruption- its very difficult to forgive or, like that scorned woman- ever forget- or for them to regain any amount of credibility ... And thats exactly what GW did to me- and to the Republican Party- that used to be the party of high moral, law and order standards- and conservative values before this Neocon movement.....And McCain now has tied himself at the hip to GW and these false values promoted by GW....

Besides- if I, GP, or Kola and a few others didn't challenge some of you on these issues-especially the false ones- you'd just have to spend all day standing around slapping each other on the back about how great thou art- be just like the Whitehouse :wink: :lol: BORING!! :wink:
 
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The war that is lost

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Posted: May 19, 2007
1:00 am Eastern


By Joseph Farah
© 2008





Jose Nemesio Lugo Felix was appointed last month as head of a drug intelligence unit in Mexico's attorney general's office.

Less than 30 days later, he was shot and killed in a sophisticated street ambush that is being characterized as a "planned execution" – another assassination presumably by one of the Mexican drug cartels.

He hadn't even finished unpacking boxes in his new office.

The list of atrocities of this kind in Mexico grows on a daily basis:


Last weekend, two journalists for the Azteca television network who had previously covered the drug wars in Mexico were reported missing and assumed to have been kidnapped in Monterrey.

About the same time, an army captain was kidnapped and killed in Chilpancingo.

A federal police investigator was found shot dead in Tijuana.

A severed head was left at an army base in Vercruz, a day after the central government said it would send troops to the Gulf Coast to battle the drug trade.

Four government bodyguards assigned to protect the children of the governor of the state of Mexico, Enrique Pena Nieto, were killed while taking the kids to the beach.

Mexico City's El Universal newspaper reported more than 1,000 people have been killed by organized crime in the first five months of 2007.

You want to know about a war that is lost?

Mexico has lost the drug war. Our neighbor to the south is officially a narco-economy now. The gangsters and murderers wield more power than the federal government. They operate with impunity. And they are taking this war across the border – expanding their base of operations and extending their killing fields.

Where are the debates in our country about the instability of our Mexican neighbor and what it portends for us?

How can we be on the verge of another amnesty program for 10 percent of Mexico's population while our back door remains wide open to the chaos to the south?

Why do we expect Mexicans to stay in their country when it is wracked with violence and lawlessness?

When will U.S. national security officials realize what a threat we face from this barbarism?

How many towns and cities in America will need to be taken over by the drug cartels before U.S. officials realize what is happening and take action?

These are not idle questions for a slow news day. These are questions fundamental to America's national security.

The Mexican illegal alien invasion has already changed the character of our country. But there is a second wave coming that will pose much graver problems than bilingualism and institutional poverty.

In that second wave, which has already begun, Mexican crime barons will emigrate north to expand their "turf" and profits and bring this kind of mayhem to America.

It is inevitable unless we have a national strategy to head it off.

We do not.

In fact, no one is even talking about it – except me.

Instead of addressing this crisis as a matter of national security, we are busy repaving highways the drug cartel will use to ship their deadly product north. We are busy making it easier for Mexican truckers to enter the country and travel throughout it like native-born Americans.

As a matter of national policy, we're more interested in severely punishing U.S. Border Patrol agents for indiscretions on the front lines than punishing drug smugglers.

This has got to stop. What's at stake is, quite frankly, everything we hold dear – our way of life, freedom, justice, the rule of law, the will of the people.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=41631

INVASION USA
Mexican set free after border patrol agent struck, killed
Judge releases drug dealer accused of murdering U.S. officer with vehicle


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Posted: June 27, 2008
12:15 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Jesus Navarro Montes


Officials are outraged after a Mexican judge released a Mexican national who allegedly struck and killed a U.S. Border Patrol agent with his vehicle.

Jesus Navarro Montes was accused of intentionally killing Agent Luis Aguilar Jan. 19 near the Imperial Sand Dunes in Imperial County, Calif., the Los Angeles Times reported. Aguilar was attempting to stop two Mexican vehicles from entering the country illegally. As he positioned a strip of tire spikes into the road, Montes allegedly rammed his vehicle into the agent and killed him.

Now a Mexican judge has released Montes without restrictions.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he was shocked at the Mexican judge's decision to free Montes.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68056


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6 Mexicans dressed as cops kill Phoenix man
Home riddled with more than 100 bullets in suspected drug-cartel 'hit'

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Posted: June 25, 2008
9:27 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Daniel Garcia-Saenz, 24, Manual Garcia-Trejom, 25, and Rodolfo Madrigal Lopez, 19

Six men in police tactical clothing are suspected of shooting a man to death, firing more than 100 rounds into his Phoenix home in what some are calling a Mexican drug cartel hit performed by members of the active Mexican Army.

Special Assignments Units heard shots coming from a nearby neighborhood and began to drive toward the noise Sunday. Detectives said once police gained entry into the home, they found the body of Andrew Williams, 30, shot numerous times, according to Arizona Daily News.

"We have seen an increasing amount of these type of violent crimes in the past five months," Phoenix Police Sgt. Joel Tranter said. "We want the public to realize that these types of crimes will not be tolerated in Phoenix."
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Drug-related violence has been escalating and reportedly is shifting from Mexico to U.S. border states since Mexican President Felipe de Jesus Calderon Hinojosa ordered troops to fight the cartels.

El Universal, a Mexico City-based newspaper, reported 38 people killed in Mexican drug cartels Tuesday, the highest number reported one a single day this year.

Eighteen of the deaths took place in Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from El Paso, Texas, where 2,800 troops have been assigned to fight cartel trafficking and violence.

The newspaper reported more than 1,833 people have been killed in Mexico's drug trade-related violence this year.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67963
 

aplusmnt

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RobertMac said:
OT said:
...but the Bush boys have pretty much kept it out of the mainstream news...

The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????

OT has lost all sense of fairness. He has been drinking way to much far left flavored kool-aid. Just like those far left loons he has accepted everything to be Bush's fault and has no sense of balance.
 
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aplusmnt said:
RobertMac said:
OT said:
...but the Bush boys have pretty much kept it out of the mainstream news...

The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????

OT has lost all sense of fairness. He has been drinking way to much far left flavored kool-aid. Just like those far left loons he has accepted everything to be Bush's fault and has no sense of balance.

Well then you tell me who in January 2001 swore an oath to the best of his ability to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution- a Constitution that calls upon that President to defend our citizens and our borders from illegal invaders... :???: Mickey Mouse :???:

On second thought- Mickey could have done better on the border issue :wink: :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
RobertMac said:
The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????

OT has lost all sense of fairness. He has been drinking way to much far left flavored kool-aid. Just like those far left loons he has accepted everything to be Bush's fault and has no sense of balance.

Well then you tell me who in January 2001 swore an oath to the best of his ability to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution- a Constitution that calls upon that President to defend our citizens and our borders from illegal invaders... :???: Mickey Mouse :???:

On second thought- Mickey could have done better on the border issue :wink: :lol:

I am with you on doing more to stop illegal immigration. We are fighting the same fight in theory just not in reality. I believe the states and cities have to do the grunt of the work. If states enforce employment regulations and arrest illegals and fine employers for hiring them. This problem would be solved. Local governments know when their towns are being invaded by illegals, they are the first defense to stop it by enforcing laws already on the books.

I understand the sense of political correctness a President has to have in dealing with such a hot topic. And how those pointing a finger for him doing to little will the flip flop and crucify him for cracking down on minorities.
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
RobertMac said:
The mainstream news is well over 80% liberal Dems and hate Pres. Bush, SSSOOOOOO, I think they have another agenda for not publicizing this...like open border policy?????????????????

OT has lost all sense of fairness. He has been drinking way to much far left flavored kool-aid. Just like those far left loons he has accepted everything to be Bush's fault and has no sense of balance.

Well then you tell me who in January 2001 swore an oath to the best of his ability to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution- a Constitution that calls upon that President to defend our citizens and our borders from illegal invaders... :???: Mickey Mouse :???:

On second thought- Mickey could have done better on the border issue :wink: :lol:

I am with you on doing more to stop illegal immigration. We are fighting the same fight in theory just not in reality. I believe the states and cities have to do the grunt of the work. If states enforce employment regulations and arrest illegals and fine employers for hiring them. This problem would be solved. Local governments know when their towns are being invaded by illegals, they are the first defense to stop it by enforcing laws already on the books.

I understand the sense of political correctness a President has to have in dealing with such a hot topic. And how those pointing a finger for him doing to little will the flip flop and crucify him for cracking down on minorities.
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Besides- if I, GP, or Kola and a few others didn't challenge some of you on these issues-especially the false ones...
Speaking of being challenged on false issues, how you coming with that proof about President Bush having ties to drug money?
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Besides- if I, GP, or Kola and a few others didn't challenge some of you on these issues-especially the false ones...
Speaking of being challenged on false issues, how you coming with that proof about President Bush having ties to drug money?

As fast as the revelations are coming out- it will be here soon....

As Mr. Farah said:
As a matter of national policy, we're more interested in severely punishing U.S. Border Patrol agents for indiscretions on the front lines than punishing drug smugglers.

There has to be someone big time behind formation of that type of policy...
 

kolanuraven

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Besides- if I, GP, or Kola and a few others didn't challenge some of you on these issues-especially the false ones...
Speaking of being challenged on false issues, how you coming with that proof about President Bush having ties to drug money?


If he's got ' ties' to drug money....he'd not have a clue cause someone with some sense would be doing the organization behind it all.

Bush surely couldn't have the wits to do anything that complicated!
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
As fast as the revelations are coming out- it will be here soon....

As Mr. Farah said:
As a matter of national policy, we're more interested in severely punishing U.S. Border Patrol agents for indiscretions on the front lines than punishing drug smugglers.

There has to be someone big time behind formation of that type of policy...

Aren't you supposed to be some kind of judge? Is that the way you operate in court, judge? You just go ahead and convict somebody and hope the evidence comes in later?

And your "Mr. Farah" is full of sht when he tries to claim that it is some kind of "national policy" to punish Border Patrol agents more than drug smugglers.

In FY 2007, Immigration and Customs Enforcement led investigations leading to 8,920 arrests and 5,539 convictions associated with narcotics violations.

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/pi/news/factsheets/fy07accmplshmntsweb.pdf.

That's only ICE - that doesn't include DEA and other federal agencies. Five thousand, five hundred thirty-nine narcotics convictions from one federal agency in one fiscal year. Compared to two Border Patrol agents who were convicted by a jury?

So much for your "national policy" of not punishing drug smugglers. But don't let little things like the TRUTH and FACTS get in the way of your constant Bush-bashing.
 
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ATTA BOY GW-- You got a great Immigration and Drug policy -is that what you want to hear Texan... :???:

Sorry- I can't do that- from his amnesty bill- to his cutting funding to local authorities- to his sending badly needed US Border Patrol to Iraq to train border guards- to his allowing millions a year of new immigrants in on top of the 20 million already here- GW's border and drug policy has been far from a success....

From the growing meth problem- its apparent if they caught 9,000- they missed 900,000...

All you have to do is ask a local enforcement officer- besides increases in the normal mary jane, coke, heroin coming into the country - Mexican Meth is running rampant thru the country...Or just look at the growing meth problem around the country-- our US meth problem and the border security are directly connected now...

Drug enforcement agents report the number of meth labs in the U.S. has plummeted.

"Yes, drastically down, in fact," says John Fernandes of the Drug Enforcement Administration. But, he adds, "Unfortunately there is an explosion of meth use."

The epidemic of meth use is still rampant because the drug is still plentiful on America's streets. Why?

"They just came across into Mexico to start production," said Fuillermo Gonzalez of the Tijuana Police Department.

This deadly drug is now a growth industry for Mexico's deadly drug cartels. They're replacing small U.S. kitchen labs with Mexican super labs. The cartels are smuggling ephedrine from China, India and Europe and cooking up huge quantities of cheap meth — including an especially potent variety, Mexican Ice. Then the cartels smuggle it north to U.S. users.

"They're making quite a lot of money off of meth," Gonzalez said. "They are pretty much using the same routes that they've used in the past with cocaine and with marijuana."

By some estimates, as much at 80 percent of the meth on U.S. streets comes from Mexico. Agents see more of it at the border. Meth seizures are up 106 percent in a year at the border crossing near San Diego.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/19/eveningnews/main1636846.shtml
 
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