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Economy- New Poll

Do You think the US Economy is Heading into or in a Recession--or a Depression?

  • No-the Economy is doing Fine

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  • Yes- a mild short Recession

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  • Yes- a prolonged Recession/Depression

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  • Economic Collapse

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aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
None of us needs someone else to tell us that gasoline prices are about three times higher than when the conservatives took control of the White House..

First off a Conservative did not take control of the White house, Bush is a long ways from being a Conservative!

And secondly gas prices are about to double what they were 2 years ago when the Democrats took control of the Congress. And Pelosi I believe said they would do something about high gas prices.

Congress has more power than the president, lets see these Democrats do something about these prices as they promised.

Bush and the Bushites blame the Congress and Dems-- the Congress and Dems blames Bush, the Cheney (supersecret) energy policy and years of a do nothing but spend and sell out the country Republican Congress-- and no body is going to do anything....

Dems like watching the prices go higher- and people suffering more under a Republican lame duck President (who vetoes everything they send him)...They can blame it all on him and will (especially since the current Republican candidate is walking in lockstep with GW)-- and know that next year they almost positively will have many more seats controlled in both houses of Congress- and quite possibly even the White House-- and that they can get much more of what they want, then by making a deal now....

Nothing will be accomplished until 09.....

I really do not blame either of them! I just pointed out that the Dems promised to do something and they did not!

I think the free market and the drive of the consumer has dictated these prices. I think a lot of small components such as speculators drive up the price. I think the world is growing and product consumption is expanding. I think China and India as well as other countries are increasing their demand for oil.

I do not think the Government needs to search out alternative energy, I believe the free market should do that! I only fault the government for limiting such things as drilling for oil, building refineries, and nuclear plants.
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
First off a Conservative did not take control of the White house, Bush is a long ways from being a Conservative!

And secondly gas prices are about to double what they were 2 years ago when the Democrats took control of the Congress. And Pelosi I believe said they would do something about high gas prices.

Congress has more power than the president, lets see these Democrats do something about these prices as they promised.

Bush and the Bushites blame the Congress and Dems-- the Congress and Dems blames Bush, the Cheney (supersecret) energy policy and years of a do nothing but spend and sell out the country Republican Congress-- and no body is going to do anything....

Dems like watching the prices go higher- and people suffering more under a Republican lame duck President (who vetoes everything they send him)...They can blame it all on him and will (especially since the current Republican candidate is walking in lockstep with GW)-- and know that next year they almost positively will have many more seats controlled in both houses of Congress- and quite possibly even the White House-- and that they can get much more of what they want, then by making a deal now....

Nothing will be accomplished until 09.....

I really do not blame either of them! I just pointed out that the Dems promised to do something and they did not!

I think the free market and the drive of the consumer has dictated these prices. I think a lot of small components such as speculators drive up the price. I think the world is growing and product consumption is expanding. I think China and India as well as other countries are increasing their demand for oil.

I do not think the Government needs to search out alternative energy, I believe the free market should do that! I only fault the government for limiting such things as drilling for oil, building refineries, and nuclear plants.

There is no such thing as the free market anymore- with all the EPA's- WTO rules- FTA's with deviations for special interests- allowance of globalist cartels, oligopolys, monoply's --etc., etc-- free market is a joke......
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
many of us have a unrealistic expectation of what happiness is!



You surely must!! $250 for a baseball bat!!!!!!!!! Geezzz :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thought you would want something to really roll you eyes at :wink:

kolanuraven said:
I've got shoes that cost more than $600 a pair....who big deal. $600 today is squat.......$6K....or now we're talking. !
 

backhoeboogie

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
many of us have a unrealistic expectation of what happiness is!



You surely must!! $250 for a baseball bat!!!!!!!!! Geezzz :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thought you would want something to really roll you eyes at :wink:

kolanuraven said:
I've got shoes that cost more than $600 a pair....who big deal. $600 today is squat.......$6K....or now we're talking. !

Just wait until he decides to play golf. You'll be asking, "Are those clubs diamond studded?" You'll need a membership at the country club and the fastest golf cart too. That will entitle you to pay the green fees and hang out with city slickers wearing jeans like your wife would wear. Maybe you ought to start watching Gray's Anatomy so that you can have something to talk about with those fruitloops.
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
many of us have a unrealistic expectation of what happiness is!



You surely must!! $250 for a baseball bat!!!!!!!!! Geezzz :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thought you would want something to really roll you eyes at :wink:

kolanuraven said:
I've got shoes that cost more than $600 a pair....who big deal. $600 today is squat.......$6K....or now we're talking. !
Honestly Aplus...theres a BIG difference between a baseball bat and a gals shoes....shoes are a nessesity...baseball bats are not,cut a switch you got a free bat.......Men :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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I plagerized this comment from another site- but thought it was too good to for you Bushites to miss..... :wink: :p

George and Nancy are sending us $600, and John Boy has promised gas without tax all summer...these long range solutions have me beaming with confidence that the recession that never was ...is over.
 

movin' on

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fff said:
Take some time to walk around the supermarket on a Friday evening/Saturday morning when the young housewives are shopping and listen to them. They don't need the CPI or Warren Buffett to tell them that food prices are going up. None of us needs someone else to tell us that gasoline prices are about three times higher than when the conservatives took control of the White House. Working people don't need an internet discussion board to tell them their paychecks haven't kept up with the cost of living. Some people are overextended, financially. In their defense, they had seven-eight good years with a Democrat in the White House. They made the mistake of assuming that Bush would be as good a president as Clinton. Obviously, many of them are discovering THAT was their mistake.

So, let me get this right. Since things were so grand when Clinton was in office, we all had the right to become overextended and live beyond their means with total disregard to what might happen a few years from now? Now THAT is financial responsiblity! That is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard and I've heard a few.

I have been in better shape financially in the past than I am currently. Do you know whose fault that is, fff? Mine. Mine and mine alone. Not Bill Clinton's, not George Bush's, not anybody else's but mine. If more people had the nerve to admit to their lack of responsibility, a lot of you doom and gloom prophets would end up with little to talk about.

All you who want to blame the government for every one of our problems....sometimes the fault may lie with the people.
 
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Anonymous

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movin' on said:
fff said:
Take some time to walk around the supermarket on a Friday evening/Saturday morning when the young housewives are shopping and listen to them. They don't need the CPI or Warren Buffett to tell them that food prices are going up. None of us needs someone else to tell us that gasoline prices are about three times higher than when the conservatives took control of the White House. Working people don't need an internet discussion board to tell them their paychecks haven't kept up with the cost of living. Some people are overextended, financially. In their defense, they had seven-eight good years with a Democrat in the White House. They made the mistake of assuming that Bush would be as good a president as Clinton. Obviously, many of them are discovering THAT was their mistake.

So, let me get this right. Since things were so grand when Clinton was in office, we all had the right to become overextended and live beyond their means with total disregard to what might happen a few years from now? Now THAT is financial responsiblity! That is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard and I've heard a few.

movin on--I wish you could have got that point across to GW and the "fiscal conservatives" that ran this country so far in the hole in just a brief 7 years- with no regard of how or where the money will come from- and with seemingly no concern of endebting our children and grandchildren to China and the Arabs for generations to come..... :( :( :mad:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
You surely must!! $250 for a baseball bat!!!!!!!!! Geezzz :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thought you would want something to really roll you eyes at :wink:

kolanuraven said:
I've got shoes that cost more than $600 a pair....who big deal. $600 today is squat.......$6K....or now we're talking. !
Honestly Aplus...theres a BIG difference between a baseball bat and a gals shoes....shoes are a nessesity...baseball bats are not,cut a switch you got a free bat.......Men :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yea I know about women and their shoes :lol: And purses, I can not believe the money they spend on a purse! My daughter has been working on Sundays with the wife for $10 a week all to save money to buy an $80.00 purse. I could not see a 12 year old buying and $80.00 purse but I admired her for working for it! And that is a cheap purse compared to a few I have seen the wife buy. In her defense she buys quality leather and keeps them for years.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
You surely must!! $250 for a baseball bat!!!!!!!!! Geezzz :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thought you would want something to really roll you eyes at :wink:

kolanuraven said:
I've got shoes that cost more than $600 a pair....who big deal. $600 today is squat.......$6K....or now we're talking. !

Just wait until he decides to play golf. You'll be asking, "Are those clubs diamond studded?" You'll need a membership at the country club and the fastest golf cart too. That will entitle you to pay the green fees and hang out with city slickers wearing jeans like your wife would wear. Maybe you ought to start watching Gray's Anatomy so that you can have something to talk about with those fruitloops.

He has been playing golf since he was 8. He has a set of little kid Taylor Made clubs. So I know the cost of golf :cry: Fortunately we live in such a small town that the golf course and country club is pretty run down and only has 9 holes so the membership does not cost that much. Picked up an older golf cart for $500.00 But all in all Golf still cost me about $1,000.00 a year for the family. But like I said before, if it gets my kids outside I don't mind spending the money, I hate video games and electronic devices.

Ps. I dread those grown up clubs when that time comes, He better be happy with RAM and not be spoiled with the Taylor Mades :lol:
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
movin' on said:
fff said:
Take some time to walk around the supermarket on a Friday evening/Saturday morning when the young housewives are shopping and listen to them. They don't need the CPI or Warren Buffett to tell them that food prices are going up. None of us needs someone else to tell us that gasoline prices are about three times higher than when the conservatives took control of the White House. Working people don't need an internet discussion board to tell them their paychecks haven't kept up with the cost of living. Some people are overextended, financially. In their defense, they had seven-eight good years with a Democrat in the White House. They made the mistake of assuming that Bush would be as good a president as Clinton. Obviously, many of them are discovering THAT was their mistake.

So, let me get this right. Since things were so grand when Clinton was in office, we all had the right to become overextended and live beyond their means with total disregard to what might happen a few years from now? Now THAT is financial responsiblity! That is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard and I've heard a few.

I have been in better shape financially in the past than I am currently. Do you know whose fault that is, fff? Mine. Mine and mine alone. Not Bill Clinton's, not George Bush's, not anybody else's but mine. If more people had the nerve to admit to their lack of responsibility, a lot of you doom and gloom prophets would end up with little to talk about.

All you who want to blame the government for every one of our problems....sometimes the fault may lie with the people.

I don't think you exactly understand. fff wants to come on to the internet and whine and tell all the young kids just starting out that the American Dream is over. fff wants to condone all the whiners who are supporting that same theory. Many of us did much worse under Clinton and she says we did worse under Bush. She is all knowing and speaks for everyone.

Personally, I hope the kids are not listening. I know some kids who have recently gone to work for excellent wages (I call $75K starting salary good) with full medical benefits. My eldest daughter is indeed one of them. She has many peers.

Personally I hope another Wilbur or Orville Wright emerges and figures out how to financially harness solar power or wind power for the little guys to profit from. Hopefully these kids are not listening to the whiners on this forum.

Some of us are living the American Dream and we fought all our lives to get here. We didn't sit around whining or overspend our incomes.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Closeing 15 underproducing stores yet opening 55 new stores next year??
doesnt sound like they are going broke!!!! More like good business practice to me, but leave it up to the gloom and doom folks to jump in with out haveing all oars in the water.
Has anyone heard about the un employment rate going from 6% last month to 5% this month??
What about the consumor index??
 

MoGal

Well-known member
Shadowstats.com has unemployment at over 13% (figuring it the same as before Clinton changed it) AND there are SIX unemployment figures U1, U2, U3, U4, U5 and U6.... so they can pick whichever one they need to sound the best.
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
don said:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080501/home_depot_store_closings.html?.v=2

They are closing 17 stores. They are opening 43 new stores (read on down on that link). I see that as a net gain of 26 more outlets. Wonder how many on here see it as a recession?
 
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Oil Hits Record $122 on $200 Prediction

MoneyNews
Tuesday, May 6, 2008


NEW YORK -- Oil futures blasted to a new record of $122 a barrel Tuesday, gaining momentum as investors bought on a forecast of much higher prices and on any news hinting at supply shortages. Retail gas prices edged lower, but appear poised to rise to new records of their own in coming weeks.

A new Goldman Sachs prediction that oil prices could rise to $150 to $200 within two years seemed to motivate much of Tuesday's buying, although a falling dollar and increasing concerns about declining crude production in Mexico and Russia contributed, analysts say.

Light, sweet crude for June delivery jumped to a new record of $122 a barrel before retreating slightly to trade up $1.92 at $121.89 on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Oil prices have nearly doubled from about $62 a barrel a year ago, which Goldman sees as a sign that the world is in the midst of a "super spike" in oil prices. Analyst Arjun Murti said in a research note released Monday that prices would ultimately force demand to fall sharply.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2008/5/6/112908.cfm?s=mnh

Doesn't seem to be a lot of positive faith in the Bush/Cheney/Oil Executives secretly back room approved energy policy.... :???: :(


Five Dollar Gas? Most See it Coming


Monday, May 5, 2008 3:57 p.m. EDT


We’re not yet seeing $4 a gallon gas (except in Hawaii and parts of California), but most Americans now figure they'll be pumping $5 gas before much longer.

A new poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. found that 78 percent of Americans think gasoline will rise to $5 a gallon during 2008.

Even more Americans — 94 percent of respondents — said that $4 gas was a done deal this year.

Gasoline now costs $3.62 a gallon reports oil analyst Trilby Lundberg, while the barrel price this week shattered $120 after a slight fallback a few days earlier.

The American Automobile Association reported regular gasoline prices at the same level, up from $2.97 last year on May 1.

Compare that with 1981, when gasoline soared to a record $1.35 a gallon. Adjusted for inflation, that previous record high would be $3.17 in 2008 dollars — a figure in our rear-view mirror and receding fast.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/st/2008/5/5/160922.cfm?s=st
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Oil Hits Record $122 on $200 Prediction

MoneyNews
Tuesday, May 6, 2008


NEW YORK -- Oil futures blasted to a new record of $122 a barrel Tuesday, gaining momentum as investors bought on a forecast of much higher prices and on any news hinting at supply shortages. Retail gas prices edged lower, but appear poised to rise to new records of their own in coming weeks.

A new Goldman Sachs prediction that oil prices could rise to $150 to $200 within two years seemed to motivate much of Tuesday's buying, although a falling dollar and increasing concerns about declining crude production in Mexico and Russia contributed, analysts say.

Light, sweet crude for June delivery jumped to a new record of $122 a barrel before retreating slightly to trade up $1.92 at $121.89 on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Oil prices have nearly doubled from about $62 a barrel a year ago, which Goldman sees as a sign that the world is in the midst of a "super spike" in oil prices. Analyst Arjun Murti said in a research note released Monday that prices would ultimately force demand to fall sharply.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2008/5/6/112908.cfm?s=mnh

Doesn't seem to be a lot of positive faith in the Bush/Cheney/Oil Executives secretly back room approved energy policy.... :???: :(


Five Dollar Gas? Most See it Coming


Monday, May 5, 2008 3:57 p.m. EDT


We’re not yet seeing $4 a gallon gas (except in Hawaii and parts of California), but most Americans now figure they'll be pumping $5 gas before much longer.

A new poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. found that 78 percent of Americans think gasoline will rise to $5 a gallon during 2008.

Even more Americans — 94 percent of respondents — said that $4 gas was a done deal this year.

Gasoline now costs $3.62 a gallon reports oil analyst Trilby Lundberg, while the barrel price this week shattered $120 after a slight fallback a few days earlier.

The American Automobile Association reported regular gasoline prices at the same level, up from $2.97 last year on May 1.

Compare that with 1981, when gasoline soared to a record $1.35 a gallon. Adjusted for inflation, that previous record high would be $3.17 in 2008 dollars — a figure in our rear-view mirror and receding fast.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/st/2008/5/5/160922.cfm?s=st


Once again I invite you to solve the problem? What you going to do about consumption increasing and countries like Mexico and Russian producing less?

Takes a true ignorant person to condemn but have no solution either. :roll:

What you propose we do, nuke china and India so they quit using more oil?

The Dems will not let us get our own oil but then you libs complain that we have to pay the price the Saudi's tell us.
 
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Anonymous

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I told you a dozen times before (but like a true neocon- you have selective memory :roll: ) - its too late for NOW-- we needed a comprehensive (oil, coal, wind, nuke, ethynol, solar, etc.) energy package- and leadership in developing it, 7-8-10 years ago instead of the Cheney backroom deal with the oil execs....

You really didn't/don't expect oil execs to come up with a energy solution, when it would mean they would possibly have to give up years of record profitteering- do you :???:

Do you really believe the oil companies are going to put out R&D money to develop enviromentally safe uses for coal (which this country has enough of to power the country for 1000 years)...... :???:
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
It isn't just oil companies doing this. It is the borrow and spend policy of dubya that has turned us into the greatest debtor nation in history and cause the devaluation of the dollar. The Euro is now worth $1.50 or so, a $.50 increase. If this were to revert to where it was before the tax givaways to the wealthy, gas would only be about $2.20......although that would still be high compared to what it was when he took office, it would be a bit more manageable for most Americans, whose wages are now the lowest, in terms of buying power, in modern history.
 

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