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Economy- New Poll

Do You think the US Economy is Heading into or in a Recession--or a Depression?

  • No-the Economy is doing Fine

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  • Yes- a mild short Recession

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  • Yes- a prolonged Recession/Depression

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  • Economic Collapse

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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
backhoeboogie said:
aplusmnt said:
No I do not believe in subsidies of any kind, rather it be oil companies or farmers.

Now you've done gone and done it :shock:

But that is exactly the way I'd vote. No subsidy for anyone.

:lol: Wondered how unpopular that sentence would be. But it is how I feel. Rather you are making billions or barely getting buy. Success or failure of a business should be up to the free market not politicians.

I'll agree with that 100%- rather than corporate world and the big farmer/rancher getting rich off all the subsidies and so-called conservation programs which pay 75% of taxpayer money to raise ducks- or get some group like NCBA (lobbyist) to rate you as a "Steward of the Land" so you can qualify for more federal money- all should be cut off...
But then these big corporate farmer/ranchers would have to make it on what they have- and the lobbyiests would lose the millions/billions of taxpayer $ that they stuff back into their pockets and those sitting on the Hill in D.C....
 

TSR

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aplusmnt said:
backhoeboogie said:
aplusmnt said:
No I do not believe in subsidies of any kind, rather it be oil companies or farmers.

Now you've done gone and done it :shock:

But that is exactly the way I'd vote. No subsidy for anyone.

:lol: Wondered how unpopular that sentence would be. But it is how I feel. Rather you are making billions or barely getting buy. Success or failure of a business should be up to the free market not politicians.

First aplus, I am an Independent,currently my mind is made up to vote for Nader unless any of the front runners change their positions to a great degree which is very doubtful at this point

I will say this, being against subsidies sure puts you in a bad light with all the conservatives/Republicans that I know.

When the VP meets with oil executives (a fact with the information I have read) to set energy policy, then in the years following, oil company profits and gas prices reach the point they are now, something just doesn't seem right does it? Come on, is there a relationship between energy policy and gas prices?

Success or failure should be up to the free market in a perfect world. But its just not a perfect world is it? BTW I don't care for subsidies myself.
 

Mike

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TSR wrote: When the VP meets with oil executives (a fact with the information I have read) to set energy policy, then in the years following, oil company profits and gas prices reach the point they are now, something just doesn't seem right does it? Come on, is there a relationship between energy policy and gas prices?

Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others.

NOT JUST OIL EXECS!

How else could policy be set, determined, or debated without consulting with these people?
 
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Mike said:
TSR wrote: When the VP meets with oil executives (a fact with the information I have read) to set energy policy, then in the years following, oil company profits and gas prices reach the point they are now, something just doesn't seem right does it? Come on, is there a relationship between energy policy and gas prices?

Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others.

NOT JUST OIL EXECS!

How else could policy be set, determined, or debated without consulting with these people?

How do we know this- since he's claimed "executive privilege" and refused to release minutes or any record of these "super secret" meetings and even refused to identify all of who he did or did not talk to....
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
TSR wrote: When the VP meets with oil executives (a fact with the information I have read) to set energy policy, then in the years following, oil company profits and gas prices reach the point they are now, something just doesn't seem right does it? Come on, is there a relationship between energy policy and gas prices?

Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others.

NOT JUST OIL EXECS!

How else could policy be set, determined, or debated without consulting with these people?

How do we know this- since he's claimed "executive privilege" and refused to release minutes or any record of these "super secret" meetings and even refused to identify all of who he did or did not talk to....

We do know that reps from these industries were on the task force, from the GAO investigation and report.

Who else do you want to be included, the Pope?
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others.

NOT JUST OIL EXECS!

How else could policy be set, determined, or debated without consulting with these people?

How do we know this- since he's claimed "executive privilege" and refused to release minutes or any record of these "super secret" meetings and even refused to identify all of who he did or did not talk to....

We do know that reps from these industries were on the task force, from the GAO investigation and report.

Who else do you want to be included, the Pope?

Do you think he would get Cheney to give an honest answer ?
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
How do we know this- since he's claimed "executive privilege" and refused to release minutes or any record of these "super secret" meetings and even refused to identify all of who he did or did not talk to....

We do know that reps from these industries were on the task force, from the GAO investigation and report.

Who else do you want to be included, the Pope?

Do you think he would get Cheney to give an honest answer ?

An honest answer to what?

The fact that as long as people continue to pay the high prices for gasoline and diesel, etc., and demand stays as high as it is, that there is nothing anyone can do to lower prices?

Or during this administration there has never been as much money spent on seeking alternative energy sources?
 

aplusmnt

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Mike said:
Or during this administration there has never been as much money spent on seeking alternative energy sources?

That is the big point the Libs are missing, no president has did more towards alternative energy sources. But because he is an oil man and oil prices are high and people like OT want to blame him for everything this fact gets over looked.

I do not agree with the ethanol choice, but it is still Bush doing something.

We can not do anything about the fact that china or India are using up natural resources in record numbers.

I can not think of anything Cheney and the oil executives could have did at that meeting that would have stopped the price of crude oil from going through the roof on the WORLD market.

When consumers have had enough, or prices have gotten out of Americans budget someone will step up and perfect an alternative source.
 

TSR

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others.

NOT JUST OIL EXECS!

How else could policy be set, determined, or debated without consulting with these people?

How do we know this- since he's claimed "executive privilege" and refused to release minutes or any record of these "super secret" meetings and even refused to identify all of who he did or did not talk to....

We do know that reps from these industries were on the task force, from the GAO investigation and report.

Who else do you want to be included, the Pope?

Mike What is wrong with the minutes of these meetings being made public??Also do you think that only the oil company exec's know about energy? But I'll let everyone decide for themselves about the meeting and task force. Just Google Energy Task Force then click on the Wikipedia site, its quite interesting.
 

aplusmnt

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TSR said:
Also do you think that only the oil company exec's know about energy? .


Did you miss the point that Mike made????????? You quoted him in your comment but you seem not to have read it :roll:


Mike said:
Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others
 

TSR

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aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Also do you think that only the oil company exec's know about energy? .


Did you miss the point that Mike made????????? You quoted him in your comment but you seem not to have read it :roll:


Mike said:
Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others

No I didn't miss it but what energy exec'x do you think carry the most weight in today's world?? Did you read the site to which I refeerred Mike??
 

backhoeboogie

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TSR said:
aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Also do you think that only the oil company exec's know about energy? .


Did you miss the point that Mike made????????? You quoted him in your comment but you seem not to have read it :roll:


Mike said:
Cheney's Energy Task Force was comprised of representatives from the Petroleum, Coal, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and the Electricity industries, among others

No I didn't miss it but what energy exec'x do you think carry the most weight in today's world?? Did you read the site to which I refeerred Mike??

TSR, I know one of those folks, personally. Just one mind you, who is a professional peer and not linked to the Petro Industry. There is not a better person who is more suited, or who is more caring for the common man. He will likely be placed in a similar role by the Demo group, if they take control. He will likely serve, if requested. That is just the type of person he is.
 

MoGal

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Stop trading it on the "futures" market in London is the solution to lower oil prices........

------------------http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/03/12/larouche-why-youre-paying-4-gasoline.html

March 12, 2008 (LPAC)--As the dollar dramatically collapsed below $1.55/euro today following the Federal Reserve's announcement of a huge new bank bailout, the "spot price" of a barrel of oil settled at just under $110, up 60% in six months, 25% in six weeks, and accelerating. The world's leading physical economist, Lyndon LaRouche, bluntly stated what is going on.

LaRouche noted that the current gasoline price is heading for $4/gallon; but the Saudis, on long-term supply contracts, get only $3 per barrel for their oil at the wellhead. Americans are paying more per gallon for gasoline at the pump, than the Saudis receive in long-term contracts per 42-gallon barrel of oil at the wellhead.

Why? The "spot" futures price of oil, and the value of the dollar, is controlled by the British. This was launched, LaRouche said, with Richard Nixon's treason against the U.S. for the British Empire. When Nixon destroyed the Bretton Woods System in 1971-73, the British were left in control of the growing masses of overseas dollar deposits, called "eurodollars." In the phony oil crises of 1974 and 1979, long-term fixed-price oil contracts, frequently for 24-36 months, were replaced with spot markets, and then with futures markets, controlled from London. Thanks to the Nixon Administration, the British Empire controls oil, and they run the dollar through the oil speculative markets.

The London International Petroleum Exchange (IPE) controls the price of 60% of world oil, by controlling the price of Brent Crude oil, which is less than one-half percent of the oil produced. On May 14, 2004, Brent Crude contracts on the IPE reached 375 million barrels,-- about five times the daily production of all sorts of oil worldwide. The huge masses of "paper oil" traded on futures markets control the price of the far smaller volumes of real oil.

On the London IPE, a speculator can buy an oil futures contract by putting up only 3.8% of the price. A tiny group of London-based speculators control the price of all oil worldwide.

"That's why you're about to pay $4 for a gallon of gasoline," LaRouche said. "If you want to blame somebody, blame Nixon and George Shultz for destroying Franklin Roosevelt's Bretton Woods system, and giving control of the dollar to the City of London."
 

MoGal

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Steve: regarding the Fannie Mae back about page 7, fannie mae isn't done making loans yet and they've just increased it to $740,000 however I will say I saw that they are requiring more documents for the loan and a downpayment and good credit rating.

Talked to my mom today and she said a lady had told her that her daughter had to move back home........... first one I've heard about but there will be many, many more to come.

Some will come about because of poor choices and consequences.

Shadowstats.com is already saying unemployment is between 10-13% ........ last summer I posted that economists were predicting 35 to 50% unemployment within 30-36 months. Reading different blogs this week, management positions are being cut now not just workers.

Start reading how the US got itself out of the depression, they didn't allow imports to overtake them, they put tariffs on them and we had an export economy then. Government hasn't opened its eyes to look ahead and figure out unemployed people don't pay taxes and they need tariffs on imports if they are gonna have any money because the working class are gonna be unemployed.

But then I think this has been planned so they can sweep in the North American Union and the Amero and perhaps an International currency. Its wrong that they don't care how many people it hurts or have to suffer just so the elite can have their way.
 

Steve

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MoGal
they didn't allow imports to overtake them, they put tariffs on them and we had an export economy then.

Keeping the dollar low will allow our export market to grow and restrict imports...

as for the unemployment... send home the foriegn workers..

locally the businessses can't find enough help.. it's been in most of the local papers and on the local news.. :?

as for the homes.. if you read my answer to you then you can see I am not an alarmist and often look past the screaming headlines to find the truth...

many who lose their homes will need help.. and unfortunatly just as many should never had bought more then they could afford..

the senate Promised a solution by noon, a week or two back.., it appears all they could come up with was a way to bail out business.. so much for the hype..
 
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Wholesale Prices Soar in March, Up 1.1 Pct.

MoneyNews
Tuesday, April 15, 2008


WASHINGTON -- Inflation at the wholesale level soared in March at nearly triple the rate that had been expected as the costs of energy and food both climbed rapidly.

The Labor Department reported Tuesday that wholesale prices rose by 1.1 percent last month, the second largest increase in the past 33 years, exceeded only by a 2.6 percent rise last November. Analysts had been expecting a much more moderate 0.4 percent rise in wholesale prices for the month.
 
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No Relief in Sight at The Pumps

MoneyNews
Monday, April 21, 2008


NEW YORK -- U.S. drivers are paying record prices to fill their gas tanks and they could see prices surge as much as 30 cents more per gallon over the next few weeks, according to an industry analyst.

U.S. average retail gasoline prices hit a record $3.4737 per gallon on April 18, up 15.66 cents from the April 4 average, according to the nationwide Lundberg survey of about 7,000 gas stations.

Higher driving costs come at a tough time for U.S. consumers, who are already struggling with higher food prices, a slowing economy, job losses and sinking home prices. In addition, surges in gasoline demand during the peak driving months of June, July and August and higher costs could force motorists to cut back on their vacation travel plans, or reduce spending in other areas.
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2008/4/21/094139.cfm
 

kolanuraven

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Just put some ' go juice' in the car,,...$3.59/ gal for reg gas here.

The little station here doesn't ever bother with hi test/premium gas anymore as no one would buy it.

Diesel is about $4.18, varys a penny or two between stations I saw.
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
Just put some ' go juice' in the car,,...$3.59/ gal for reg gas here.

The little station here doesn't ever bother with hi test/premium gas anymore as no one would buy it.

Diesel is about $4.18, varys a penny or two between stations I saw.

Just coincidence this all occurred after Cheny met with all the oil executives in the "supersecret" backroom Cheney Energy Task Force discussions to develop the GW energy policy.... :???: :(


Oil Hits New Record $117 a Barrel

MoneyNews
Saturday, April 19, 2008


NEW YORK -- Oil prices hit a record high $117 a barrel Friday as jitters over Nigerian oil supplies outweighed a rally in the dollar and fears of an economic slowdown in giant energy consumer China.

U.S. light crude settled up $1.83 at $116.96 a barrel, before hitting a record $117. London Brent crude gained $1.49 to $113.92.

Oil prices have more than quadrupled since 2002 as supply struggles to keep up with booming demand, especially in China and other emerging economies.
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2008/4/18/171631.cfm
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Just coincidence this all occurred after Cheny met with all the oil executives in the "supersecret" backroom Cheney Energy Task Force discussions to develop the GW energy policy.... :???: :(


Oil Hits New Record $117 a Barrel

MoneyNews
Saturday, April 19, 2008


NEW YORK -- Oil prices hit a record high $117 a barrel Friday as jitters over Nigerian oil supplies outweighed a rally in the dollar and fears of an economic slowdown in giant energy consumer China.

U.S. light crude settled up $1.83 at $116.96 a barrel, before hitting a record $117. London Brent crude gained $1.49 to $113.92.

Oil prices have more than quadrupled since 2002 as supply struggles to keep up with booming demand, especially in China and other emerging economies.
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2008/4/18/171631.cfm

I changed the emphasis in the article you quoted, Oldtimer. That way, anybody with just a little bit of common sense will be able to tell that the fundamental principles of worldwide supply and demand are still at work in determining the prices for a globally-traded commodity. In spite of all your goofy-ass conspiracy theories.
 

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