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Embracing Socialists(socialism)

passin thru

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Buddies.....................goals?

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-12-07T204342Z_01_L0796336_RTRUKOC_0_US-EUROPE-SOCIALISTS-US.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

European Socialists eager to work with U.S. Democrats
Thu Dec 7, 2006 3:43pm ET

OPORTO, Portugal (Reuters) - European Socialists promised on Thursday to work to rebuild Europe's strategic alliance with the United States now that the Democrats control Congress after last month's elections.

Socialist leaders attending a meeting of the European Socialist Party pledged that with the Democrats on the rise, strong ties could be renewed with the United States after years of cool relations with Republican President George W. Bush.

Howard Dean, chairman of the national committee of the U.S. Democratic Party, is attending the two-day conference together with the leaders of leftist governments of several countries and party leaders from across Europe.

"We are not anti-American, we want the real America, your America," former Danish Prime Minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, president of the European Socialist Party, said in remarks directed at Dean.

The Democrats gained control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 1994 in the mid-term elections, reshaping the political landscape ahead of the 2008 presidential race.

"Europe needs an America that is back on track," said Portuguese Socialist Prime Minister Jose Socrates, whose country is hosting the meeting.

"We need, today more than ever, to reinforce and renew the strategic alliance between the United States and Europe," Socrates said. "We know that a stronger Democratic Party is key for this to happen."

Socialists, or centre-left governments, currently hold or share power in just over half of Europe.

Many European governments, not just Socialist ones, have above all been angered by Bush's war in Iraq and what has been seen as the U.S. failure to work with allies in international affairs.

They expressed hopes after last month's election for a new era of open dialogue on a more equal footing with Washington and the Bush administration during the final two years of his presidency.

Socrates said Dean's Democrats "should know that they can count on European Socialists" for support.
 

aplusmnt

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Good to see the Socialist, Communist and Terrorist are all happy with our recent elections.

Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? :roll:
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
Good to see the Socialist, Communist and Terrorist are all happy with our recent elections.

Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? :roll:



who say's the terrorist are happy?.....Who are the terrorists you speak of?....You say things like that without writen proof to back your statements....makes me wonder how you would know?
 

Texan

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nonothing said:
who say's the terrorist are happy?
They do.

“The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president’s betrayal in supporting Israel,” the terror leader said. “So they voted for something reasonable in the last elections.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15652670/
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
Good to see the Socialist, Communist and Terrorist are all happy with our recent elections.

Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? :roll:



who say's the terrorist are happy?.....Who are the terrorists you speak of?....You say things like that without writen proof to back your statements....makes me wonder how you would know?

In case you did not read the link Texan posted, here is another paragraph from it.

On the audio tape made available on militant Web sites, the al-Qaida in Iraq leader also welcomed the Republican electoral defeat that led to the departure of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

From the Washington Post

The head of al Qaeda's Iraq operations yesterday gloated in a new audio tape over the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and praised U.S. voters for punishing President Bush and the Republicans in Tuesday's midterm elections.

Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, in the first public statement by a senior al Qaeda figure since the vote, said in an Internet-posted recording that his group now had 22,000 armed fighters and reserves in Iraq and taunted Mr. Bush not to copy Mr. Rumsfeld and "flee the battlefield."

Al-Muhajir, also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, urged the United States to stay in Iraq so his group would have more opportunities to kill American troops.

"We haven't had enough of your blood yet," he boasted. "We call on the lame duck not to hurry his escape the way the defense secretary did.

"We will not rest from our jihad until ... we have blown up the filthiest house -- which is called the White House," al-Muhajir said.


Calling Mr. Bush a "coward" and the "most stupid president" in history, the al Qaeda leader also said, "The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel. So they voted for something reasonable in the last elections."

In neighboring Iran, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also expressed satisfaction with the Democratic gains in the U.S. vote, calling them a boon for Tehran.

"The issue in these elections was not a purely domestic issue for America, but it is the defeat of Bush's hawkish policies in the world," the Iranian leader said in remarks to the ISNA news agency.

"Since Washington's hostile and hawkish policies have always been against the Iranian nation, this defeat is actually an obvious victory for the Iranian nation," the hard-line cleric added.


Have you not been paying attention to news events? Can you not remember back in 2004 even Bin Laden in a taped message urged the support of Dem Kerry over Bush.

Numerous Political analysis have did articles on the pleasure that the Terrorist have found in the Democratic Victory. That the terrorist take it as a sign that they are winning this war.

Do you not remember the push they made before the Spanish elections to help get the Conservatives that supported the U.S. out of office so a liberal could win and turn their backs on us?

You really should pay attention to what is going on in this serious terrorist problem.!
 

nonothing

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What I never understand is this from you repub's.....Maybe you can enlighten me.....If they ,they being the terrorist fear bush so much.....Why on earth did they not attack the twin towers under Clintons watch?I would think if they feared bush why wait for him to be president?...


So I do not get why they would be happy....you would think they perfere the americans in Iraq so they can fight in groups against them....

Aplusmnt you say they take it as a sign of winning the war.....Well I guess that begs the question,who is winning the war aplusmt?Did you think the american invasion of Iraq would last this long aplusmt.......your puppet texan can answer too if he wishes......I do not even care what name he answers it under....but I do find him more polite as X....and much less of a puppet....
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
What I never understand is this from you repub's.....Maybe you can enlighten me.....If they ,they being the terrorist fear bush so much.....Why on earth did they not attack the twin towers under Clintons watch?I would think if they feared bush why wait for him to be president?...


So I do not get why they would be happy....you would think they perfere the americans in Iraq so they can fight in groups against them....

Aplusmnt you say they take it as a sign of winning the war.....Well I guess that begs the question,who is winning the war aplusmt?Did you think the american invasion of Iraq would last this long aplusmt.......your puppet texan can answer too if he wishes......I do not even care what name he answers it under....but I do find him more polite as X....and much less of a puppet....

I doubt when they started planning the 911 attacks they had no idea who would be President. And maybe when the saw all the other attacks that they did to us under President Clinton with no retaliation they figured they could increase the severity of there attacks seeing how Clinton set an example of the U.S. being soft and not the stomach for War.

And now the Liberals are proving their opinions on us because they want to cut and run.

As far as winning the war in Iraq, I think Liberals and the Media confuse what is going on over there. We were at War with Iraq, we won that war. We kicked their butts, over dismantled their army and arrested their leader Saddam who is not facing crimes against humanity. That is winning the war.

What is going on now is is kind of like what happened after the Civil War here in the states. The Union defeated the Confederates but there was groups of rogue confederates that would not surrender and kept on fighting. You know like the movie of The Outlaw Josie Wells.

We are no longer fighting the Iraqi army that war is over, now we are fighting the very exact people that flew into the Twin Towers. We are fighting anti American, Organized Terrorist Groups.

You ask me how long did I think we would be in Iraq? I never thought we could over throw a country and not be there for years to come restructuring it. How long were we in Germany after WWII?

I think we will be in Iraq or that region in one way or another for years to come maybe a couple decades. The success that the Terrorist have had under Clinton and then 911 and now watching our country loose their resolve has did nothing but strengthen their resolve to destroy us and Israel. So if you ask me I think we should set up camp over there, just far enough away that when we end up nuking Iran and Syria our boys will not get any radiation fall out.

I think we should build permanent bases in that region and set up bases and troops like we did in South Korea and Cuba. And I think we should open up the rules of engagement and let our troops clear out some bad guys in the most efficient way they fill necessary.

I also believe that what I say should happen will happen one day, it just might take something bigger than 911 before the Liberals start agreeing with common sense and quit playing politics with the war on terror. Maybe when LA, Chicago, Washington D.C. does not exist anymore then the Liberals will Cowboy up and let the Conservatives protect this nation as it has for the past few hundred years.
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
What I never understand is this from you repub's.....Maybe you can enlighten me.....If they ,they being the terrorist fear bush so much.....Why on earth did they not attack the twin towers under Clintons watch?I would think if they feared bush why wait for him to be president?...


So I do not get why they would be happy....you would think they perfere the americans in Iraq so they can fight in groups against them....

Aplusmnt you say they take it as a sign of winning the war.....Well I guess that begs the question,who is winning the war aplusmt?Did you think the american invasion of Iraq would last this long aplusmt.......your puppet texan can answer too if he wishes......I do not even care what name he answers it under....but I do find him more polite as X....and much less of a puppet....

I doubt when they started planning the 911 attacks they had no idea who would be President. And maybe when the saw all the other attacks that they did to us under President Clinton with no retaliation they figured they could increase the severity of there attacks seeing how Clinton set an example of the U.S. being soft and not the stomach for War.

And now the Liberals are proving their opinions on us because they want to cut and run.

As far as winning the war in Iraq, I think Liberals and the Media confuse what is going on over there. We were at War with Iraq, we won that war. We kicked their butts, over dismantled their army and arrested their leader Saddam who is not facing crimes against humanity. That is winning the war.

What is going on now is is kind of like what happened after the Civil War here in the states. The Union defeated the Confederates but there was groups of rogue confederates that would not surrender and kept on fighting. You know like the movie of The Outlaw Josie Wells.

We are no longer fighting the Iraqi army that war is over, now we are fighting the very exact people that flew into the Twin Towers. We are fighting anti American, Organized Terrorist Groups.

You ask me how long did I think we would be in Iraq? I never thought we could over throw a country and not be there for years to come restructuring it. How long were we in Germany after WWII?

I think we will be in Iraq or that region in one way or another for years to come maybe a couple decades. The success that the Terrorist have had under Clinton and then 911 and now watching our country loose their resolve has did nothing but strengthen their resolve to destroy us and Israel. So if you ask me I think we should set up camp over there, just far enough away that when we end up nuking Iran and Syria our boys will not get any radiation fall out.

I think we should build permanent bases in that region and set up bases and troops like we did in South Korea and Cuba. And I think we should open up the rules of engagement and let our troops clear out some bad guys in the most efficient way they fill necessary.

I also believe that what I say should happen will happen one day, it just might take something bigger than 911 before the Liberals start agreeing with common sense and quit playing politics with the war on terror. Maybe when LA, Chicago, Washington D.C. does not exist anymore then the Liberals will Cowboy up and let the Conservatives protect this nation as it has for the past few hundred years.


I dissagree with you on winning the invasion...It is still people who ever they may be fighting against such invasion.....no matter how you spin it,the fighting is still there.and America went into fighting and still are.....I do however find some of your points to be very well respected and some of which could and should be implemented....I still think you need to realize that tearing a country up over false knowledge is wrong....Iraq harboured very very littlte WMD's and Bin ladin was in Afganistan......I do not understand why the invasion was never in Afganistan if it was about terrorism?Maybe you can tell me if the USA invaded Iraq,was a dart thrown at a map of the middle east,was it perhaps a bush family vendetta,or was it to be the world ruler of oil?...I just do not get the why is all....
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
Maybe you can tell me if the USA invaded Iraq,was a dart thrown at a map of the middle east,was it perhaps a bush family vendetta,or was it to be the world ruler of oil?...I just do not get the why is all....

I think it involved a little of all the reasons above. I think there is lots of reasons we went into Iraq.

1. I am sure Bush's personal feelings of Saddam made it an easy choice

2. I imagine Oil and money plays into most all decisions from Politicians but I do not believe it was their primary motivation for this war.

3. I believe people really believed Saddam had WMD's as he once had

4. I think the you are either with us or against us theory kicked in

5. I think after 911 America wanted to make a statement and Iraq was the easiest government that DID give support to Terrorist (even if not directly to the 911 ones) that we could find the grounds to go in and kick their a$$ and make a Statement to all the nations that support Terrorists activities.

6. Iraq's leader had clearly drawn lines in the sand much like the Iran leader has did recently as to wanting to destroy us and Israel

7. I think they viewed Saddam as very unstable in the region and now they had the needed reasons to justify getting rid of him, and making a statement to other unstable Leaders that they could be next.

8. I think we are going to be going after all three of the Axis of Evil that Bush mentioned and Iraq was the first on the list.

9 And the biggest reason I believe is that Higher Powers to be in Washington even the Dem's realize the Powder Keg that is about to explode in that Region with countries like Iran and Syria. I think even though they will use it in Political Power Struggles when they get behind closed doors most all of Washington sees that we need to build an Army and Strong hold in the Middle East for the things that are going to happen over the next 20 years or so over there.
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Maybe you can tell me if the USA invaded Iraq,was a dart thrown at a map of the middle east,was it perhaps a bush family vendetta,or was it to be the world ruler of oil?...I just do not get the why is all....

I think it involved a little of all the reasons above. I think there is lots of reasons we went into Iraq.

1. I am sure Bush's personal feelings of Saddam made it an easy choice

2. I imagine Oil and money plays into most all decisions from Politicians but I do not believe it was their primary motivation for this war.

3. I believe people really believed Saddam had WMD's as he once had

4. I think the you are either with us or against us theory kicked in

5. I think after 911 America wanted to make a statement and Iraq was the easiest government that DID give support to Terrorist (even if not directly to the 911 ones) that we could find the grounds to go in and kick their a$$ and make a Statement to all the nations that support Terrorists activities.

6. Iraq's leader had clearly drawn lines in the sand much like the Iran leader has did recently as to wanting to destroy us and Israel

7. I think they viewed Saddam as very unstable in the region and now they had the needed reasons to justify getting rid of him, and making a statement to other unstable Leaders that they could be next.

8. I think we are going to be going after all three of the Axis of Evil that Bush mentioned and Iraq was the first on the list.

9 And the biggest reason I believe is that Higher Powers to be in Washington even the Dem's realize the Powder Keg that is about to explode in that Region with countries like Iran and Syria. I think even though they will use it in Political Power Struggles when they get behind closed doors most all of Washington sees that we need to build an Army and Strong hold in the Middle East for the things that are going to happen over the next 20 years or so over there.

I do find validity in some of your points...I do feel your a strong believer in what was done....That is a matter of what one person believes to be the right thing to do,and your support is well noted.....I do thank you for the way you agrued your stance and not going personal.....I did learn some things from you and I appreciate the time you took in leaving such detailed points .....I gather we will never know the truth behind many scenes leading up to the invasion,,,but some of your points make sense and made me think from another's point of view......


Thanks again and I wish you and yours all the best this holiday :) season......
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Maybe you can tell me if the USA invaded Iraq,was a dart thrown at a map of the middle east,was it perhaps a bush family vendetta,or was it to be the world ruler of oil?...I just do not get the why is all....

I think it involved a little of all the reasons above. I think there is lots of reasons we went into Iraq.

1. I am sure Bush's personal feelings of Saddam made it an easy choice

2. I imagine Oil and money plays into most all decisions from Politicians but I do not believe it was their primary motivation for this war.

3. I believe people really believed Saddam had WMD's as he once had

4. I think the you are either with us or against us theory kicked in

5. I think after 911 America wanted to make a statement and Iraq was the easiest government that DID give support to Terrorist (even if not directly to the 911 ones) that we could find the grounds to go in and kick their a$$ and make a Statement to all the nations that support Terrorists activities.

6. Iraq's leader had clearly drawn lines in the sand much like the Iran leader has did recently as to wanting to destroy us and Israel

7. I think they viewed Saddam as very unstable in the region and now they had the needed reasons to justify getting rid of him, and making a statement to other unstable Leaders that they could be next.

8. I think we are going to be going after all three of the Axis of Evil that Bush mentioned and Iraq was the first on the list.

9 And the biggest reason I believe is that Higher Powers to be in Washington even the Dem's realize the Powder Keg that is about to explode in that Region with countries like Iran and Syria. I think even though they will use it in Political Power Struggles when they get behind closed doors most all of Washington sees that we need to build an Army and Strong hold in the Middle East for the things that are going to happen over the next 20 years or so over there.

I do find validity in some of your points...I do feel your a strong believer in what was done....That is a matter of what one person believes to be the right thing to do,and your support is well noted.....I do thank you for the way you agrued your stance and not going personal.....I did learn some things from you and I appreciate the time you took in leaving such detailed points .....I gather we will never know the truth behind many scenes leading up to the invasion,,,but some of your points make sense and made me think from another's point of view......


Thanks again and I wish you and yours all the best this holiday :) season......

Thank you! And I hope the Holidays are pleasant for you also :!:
 

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