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aplusmnt

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Was sending some emails to my senators today about the Border Patrolmen in prison.

And what did I find but my both of my senators offering their web pages in both English and Spanish. Just burns me up! There should never be a need for my Senator to have an English and a Spanish website!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

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aplusmnt

Well-known member
And for Pat Roberts he does not have the same subject on the Spanish as the English, wish I knew if he is pandering to the Illegals on his Spanish version. Seems whatever he says in English should be good enough for the Mexicans

English Version

http://roberts.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.Home


Spanish Version

http://roberts.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.EnEspanol
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
This post appears to be racist to me. I'm fed up with this crap. I also understand the situation with illegal immigrants but there are millions of Spanish speaking people in the U.S. who were either BORN here and their ancestors were born here or they immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. just like your ancestors did some generations ago. It reminds me of the hatred towards the Irish, Jews, and other immigrants in the last part of the 19th and early 20th century. You are denigrating and stereotyping people from many countries with lots of culture and history. Lumping them all together. It's pure BS.

Cubans - fled Castro and as a consequence South Florida is now bilingual. Very militantly pro America and anti left wing countries. Do you hate them too?

You are Crazy if you think wanting Americans to speak English is Racist! And if that is the case why would my senator need a webpage in Spanish? If expecting American Citizens to learn English is Racist then i am proud to be one!

Why are all you Liberals such Drama Queens?
 

jigs

Well-known member
R2, you are way off base here.
it is not racist! it is a simply question of why won't these people conform? it is America, we speak English. my tax dollars should not go to help Juan and Pedro at the spanish school.... they need to learn the language or get the hell out!

in a few years these brown Americans will be a driving force, will get more of "their people" into office, and then it will be downhill from that point. they openly admit it too!!!

it is bullsh!t that we must alter our lives to accommodate them.

this country is a melting pot.....I do not see the spanish immigrants both legal and swimmers, melting at all!

Brownback will be getting a hate monger letter from sweet old Jigs!
 

andybob

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When I took up my present position, it was with the understanding that I would in all respects, adapt to the American way of life. At my age, I doubt that I will lose my atrocious accent, or change my way of spelling, but in almost all other respects my family and I "Do as the Romans (in this case the Americans) do", and would not expect anything else.
 

Mrs.Greg

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In Canada our official language is English with French being second because of Quebec.

Recently I was called into a home to help a woman who had just had a hip replacement,she needed help with her exercises. This woman has lived in Alberta for over 20 years and refuses to learn any English :? We had a heck of a time working with her,yes I have high school french but trust me thats NO help other then the counting. I layed on the bed beside her and showed her what I expected,we'd have laughs over this,she seemed to be a very nice lady with a great sence of humor. I feel this woman has missed soooooo much because she refuses to succomb to the language,very few friends in the small town,her husband speaks english and is very well liked.I agree with andybob...'when in Rome'
 

kolanuraven

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Yes, any time a person goes to live in another country you should learn their language BUT not loose your birth language in the process.

Would it hurt YOU to learn a bit of Spanish/French/Farsi whatever and expand a brain cell or two?

Ga is in the top 4 of the nation with Spanish/Mexican immigrants....so I doubt Kansas is plagued with hearing Spanish on every corner.

Trying to make people " conform" to fit a certain ideal is a wee bit like Hitler did....wanted to make all people ' fit' his idea of how people should look.

R2...these pure people here think they fell out of that perfect blue cloudless sky on a beautiful sunny day and landed on a pure white cloud of fluff. I' ve noticed over the years of my time in the West, that most people W. of the Miss. River don't/won't realize that they have Eastern roots and those roots go back to the Europe/Britian or Asia or Africa. Bozeman, of Bozeman Trail fame, well hang onto your spurs folks HE WAS FROM GEORGIA!!!!

This " My way or the highway" ideal is totally opposite of the ' melting pot' theory we're founded on. Some of you must be related to Saddam!!
 

memanpa

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Yes, any time a person goes to live in another country you should learn their language BUT not loose your birth language in the process.

Would it hurt YOU to learn a bit of Spanish/French/Farsi whatever and expand a brain cell or two?

no it would,t hurt in fact i speak some spanish, but WHY should i have to to communicate with someone who is wanting to use my tax dollars to get health care etc etc while being here ILLIGALLY???

Ga is in the top 4 of the nation with Spanish/Mexican immigrants....so I doubt Kansas is plagued with hearing Spanish on every corner.


where did you get this information? whisch one of these states got shoved down to fifith?
california? arizona? new mex?? texas?? la?

Mexican Americans are citizens of the United States of Mexican descent. Mexican Americans account for 64% of the Hispanic or Latino population of the United States. Settlement concentrations are found all over the United States. However, the highest concentrations can be found in the Southwestern part of the United States and the Upper Midwest. Chicago is a particular area for a large Mexican American community. Other cities in the Upper Midwest with thriving Mexican American communities are Detroit, Kansas City, Missouri, St. Louis, Milwaukee and Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota. There are also isolated concentrations of Mexican Americans in mostly rural areas in Florida and North Carolina. Growing populations are also present in other parts of the rural Southeastern United States, in states such as Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alabama and Arkansas. A growing population is also present in urban areas such as Washington, DC, New York City, Miami and Philadelphia. However, Mexican American citizens reside throughout the entire United States, and according to the U.S. census, about 26.5 million Americans listed their ancestry as "Mexican"


Trying to make people " conform" to fit a certain ideal is a wee bit like Hitler did....wanted to make all people ' fit' his idea of how people should look.

no one here has suggested that any one need to look like anyone or anything else, only that they learn to speak english

R2...these pure people here think they fell out of that perfect blue cloudless sky on a beautiful sunny day and landed on a pure white cloud of fluff. I' ve noticed over the years of my time in the West, that most people W. of the Miss. River don't/won't realize that they have Eastern roots and those roots go back to the Europe/Britian or Asia or Africa. Bozeman, of Bozeman Trail fame, well hang onto your spurs folks HE WAS FROM GEORGIA!!!!

but he got smart and left,

This " My way or the highway" ideal is totally opposite of the ' melting pot' theory we're founded on. Some of you must be related to Saddam!!


really trying to dig the bottom of the barrel arn't you honey? stateing that some of are related to saddam (isn't he the one you had the affair with?)
:D

you must be in need of your meds because you are starting to act like a child again.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
This is just like back when those english speaking bastard pilgrims came over and took the native's land(opps those are our so called ansestors,they were white and spoke english so it was ok ) ....Now most folks tell the natives to move on and stop bitching about the past...Maybe this is gods way of saying,you had your run using his name for your dirty deeds .....Now move over and make room for your fellow man....You people do not own the land your just squatters in a world created by a much higher power than you.....Not sure money means all that much to God,maybe love and understanding is the asking price for a ticket into heaven....


The Eagles may of said it best..............find the song it is worth the listen..


"The Last Resort"

She came from Providence,
the one in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang
heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams
like a refugee
Just as her father came across the sea

She heard about a place people were smilin'
They spoke about the red man's way,
and how they loved the land
And they came from everywhere
to the Great Divide
Seeking a place to stand
or a place to hide

Down in the crowded bars,
out for a good time,
Can't wait to tell you all,
what it's like up there
And they called it paradise
I don't know why
Somebody laid the mountains low
while the town got high

Then the chilly winds blew down
Across the desert
through the canyons of the coast, to
the Malibu
Where the pretty people play,
hungry for power
to light their neon way
and give them things to do

Some rich men came and raped the land,
Nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus,
people bought 'em
And they called it paradise
The place to be
They watched the hazy sun, sinking in the sea

You can leave it all behind
and sail to Lahaina
just like the missionaries did, so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign: "Jesus is coming"
Brought the white man's burden down
Brought the white man's reign

Who will provide the grand design?
What is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier
We have got to make it here

We satisfy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny and the name
of God

And you can see them there,
On Sunday morning
They stand up and sing about
what it's like up there
They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye


The Eagles....
 

jigs

Well-known member
if I move to Mexico, do I expect special schools for my english speaking kids? do I expect an interpreter? hell NO I go and try to learn enough to get around....

they are not melting, they are trying to take over the pot~!
 

nonothing

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jigs said:
if I move to Mexico, do I expect special schools for my english speaking kids? do I expect an interpreter? hell NO I go and try to learn enough to get around....

they are not melting, they are trying to take over the pot~!


I agree the world needs one langauge for cummincation,the idea of learning every countries langauge to live or visit is impossible...What that universal langauge should be is up for debate ......My vote would be for english,but i am bias....
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
It really amazes me at how Libs can always be on the opposite side of common sense. I have to think it is because they can not agree with us out of pride, because surely they can not be so stupid that they all believe that America should conform to accommodate Spanish speaking people.

If this is the case then it would be prejudice to not have a website in Russian, French, Italian.

Racism would be to only pick one language and cater to it.

But common sense would tell us that we should not have to conform to hundreds of different languages for those becoming citizens. So why would we be prejudice and think the Mexicans deserve special treatment?

I can understand that those coming here do not speak English, but at whatever point they should need to be having interaction with my Senator at that point they should be speaking fluent English. Which means he has no need for a website in En Espanol!
 

don

Well-known member
looks like there'll be more english speaking chinese pretty soon so at least you'll be able to communicatewith your masters!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbI-363A2Q
 

Mrs.Greg

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Is Spanish an official language of USA? If not,isn't it racist to pick Spanish over all the other immigrant languages that are in the country?

I know aplus you don't like Canadians posting under US topics but we also have the "same" problams with minority groups becoming the stronger voice.This Reader is NOT a racist comment but a factual one,like it or not.
 

kolanuraven

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The language problem with ANY country will resolve itself with the younger generation. The older immigrants usually do not learn English or whatever the main language of their new country might be. It's the children who come along and then the old language is absorbed.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Is Spanish an official language of USA? If not,isn't it racist to pick Spanish over all the other immigrant languages that are in the country?

I know aplus you don't like Canadians posting under US topics but we also have the "same" problams with minority groups becoming the stronger voice.This Reader is NOT a racist comment but a factual one,like it or not.

No problem with Canadians posting, I should narrow it down to one Canadian that seems to have all the answers and ridicule for us Americans.

I am sure this problem is in many countries. Europe has many problems with the Muslims taking over their countries.

In 50 years or so you Canadians will be talking about securing your borders from all the Mexicans coming in from what use to be the U.S. But then it might be a little colder than they are use to up there.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
The language problem with ANY country will resolve itself with the younger generation. The older immigrants usually do not learn English or whatever the main language of their new country might be. It's the children who come along and then the old language is absorbed.

You might possibly be correct in this. Only problem I see is that we are going away from encouraging them to learn English and actually hindering it by the push for us to accommodate their needs instead of them conforming to the needs of America.

I have no problem with Spanish speaking people coming here on vacation. I went to Mexico a couple years ago and I can not speak but a few words. But if they want to work, and especially become citizens then they should have to speak the native language. I do not care that one day their children might learn English, if they want to be a citizen and care to communicate with my Senator they should have to do that in English.
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Is Spanish an official language of USA? If not,isn't it racist to pick Spanish over all the other immigrant languages that are in the country?

I know aplus you don't like Canadians posting under US topics but we also have the "same" problams with minority groups becoming the stronger voice.This Reader is NOT a racist comment but a factual one,like it or not.

No problem with Canadians posting, I should narrow it down to one Canadian that seems to have all the answers and ridicule for us Americans.

I am sure this problem is in many countries. Europe has many problems with the Muslims taking over their countries.

In 50 years or so you Canadians will be talking about securing your borders from all the Mexicans coming in from what use to be the U.S. But then it might be a little colder than they are use to up there.


Again my ridcule is for only one american here,for I find this certain american to have no answers and to be very much a coward....
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Is Spanish an official language of USA? If not,isn't it racist to pick Spanish over all the other immigrant languages that are in the country?

I know aplus you don't like Canadians posting under US topics but we also have the "same" problams with minority groups becoming the stronger voice.This Reader is NOT a racist comment but a factual one,like it or not.

No problem with Canadians posting, I should narrow it down to one Canadian that seems to have all the answers and ridicule for us Americans.

I am sure this problem is in many countries. Europe has many problems with the Muslims taking over their countries.

In 50 years or so you Canadians will be talking about securing your borders from all the Mexicans coming in from what use to be the U.S. But then it might be a little colder than they are use to up there.


Again my ridcule is for only one american here,for I find this certain american to have no answers and to be very much a coward....

Yep you are loved and respected by the rest, I am your lone adversary. :lol:
 
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