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Endless supply of oil?

Red Robin

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WND Exclusive BLACK-GOLD BLUES
Discovery backs theory oil not 'fossil fuel'
New evidence supports premise that Earth produces endless supply
Posted: February 1, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


A study published in Science Magazine today presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a "fossil fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.

The lead scientist on the study – Giora Proskurowski of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle – says the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field were produced by the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth.

The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature, created by the deterioration of biological material deposited millions of years ago in sedimentary rock and converted to hydrocarbons under intense heat and pressure.

While organic theorists have posited that the material required to produce hydrocarbons in sedimentary rock came from dinosaurs and ancient forests, more recent argument have suggested living organisms as small as plankton may have been the origin.

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The abiotic theory argues, in contrast, that hydrocarbons are naturally produced on a continual basis throughout the solar system, including within the mantle of the earth. The advocates believe the oil seeps up through bedrock cracks to deposit in sedimentary rock. Traditional petro-geologists, they say, have confused the rock as the originator rather than the depository of the hydrocarbons.


Giora Proskurowski

Lost City is a hypothermal field some 2,100 feet below sea level that sits along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at the center of the Atlantic Ocean, noted for strange 90 to 200 foot white towers on the sea bottom.

In 2003 and again in 2005, Proskurowski and his team descended in a scientific submarine to collect liquid bubbling up from Lost City sea vents.

Proskurowski found hydrocarbons containing carbon-13 isotopes that appeared to be formed from the mantle of the Earth, rather than from biological material settled on the ocean floor.

Carbon 13 is the carbon isotope scientists associate with abiotic origin, compared to Carbon 12 that scientists typically associate with biological origin.


Lost City Vents

Proskurowski argued that the hydrocarbons found in the natural hydrothermal fluids coming out of the Lost City sea vents is attributable to abiotic production by Fischer-Tropsch, or FTT, reactions.

The Fischer-Tropsch equations were first developed by Nazi scientists who created methodologies for producing synthetic oil from coal.

"Our findings illustrate that the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in nature may occur in the presence of ultramafic rocks, water and moderate amounts of heat," Proskurowski wrote.

The study also confirmed a major argument of Cornell University physicist Thomas Gold, who argued in his book "The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels" that micro-organisms found in oil might have come from the mantle of the earth where, absent photosynthesis, the micro-organisms feed on hydrocarbons arising from the earth's mantle in the dark depths of the ocean floors.

Affirming this point, Proskurowski concluded the article by noting, "Hydrocarbon production by FTT could be a common means for producing precursors of life-essential building blocks in ocean-floor environments or wherever warm ultramafic rocks are in contact with water."

Finding abiotic hydrocarbons in the Lost City sea vent fluids is the second discovery in recent years adding weight to the abiotic theory of the origin of oil.

As WND reported in 2005, a NASA probe to Titan, the giant moon of Saturn, discovered abundant Carbon-13 methane that the agency declared to be abiotic in origin.
 

Mike

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Alternative source

The idea that petroleum is formed from dead organic matter is known as the "biogenic theory" of petroleum formation and was first proposed by a Russian scientist almost 250 years ago.

In the 1950's, however, a few Russian scientists began questioning this traditional view and proposed instead that petroleum could form naturally deep inside the Earth.

This so-called "abiogenic" petroleum might seep upward through cracks formed by asteroid impacts to form underground pools, according to one hypothesis. Some geologists have suggested probing ancient impact craters in the search for oil.

Abiogenic sources of oil have been found, but never in commercially profitable amounts. The controversy isn't over whether naturally forming oil reserves exist, said Larry Nation of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. It's over how much they contribute to Earth's overall reserves and how much time and effort geologists should devote to seeking them out.

If abiogenic petroleum sources are indeed found to be abundant, it would mean Earth contains vast reserves of untapped petroleum and, since other rocky objects formed from the same raw material as Earth, that crude oil might exist on other planets or moons in the solar system, scientists say.

Both processes for making petroleum likely require thousands of years. Even if Earth does contain far more oil than currently thought, it's inevitable that reserves will one day run out. Scientists disagree sharply, however, on when that will occur. And, some say, a global crisis could begin as soon as increasing demand is greater than supply, a possibility that might be measured in years rather than decades, some analysts argue.


http://www.livescience.com/environment/051011_oil_origins.html
 

Red Robin

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Talked to an oil man today working off shore. He said we won't ever run out of oil. He said it's a natural process made down lower in the earth. (I told him I'd heard that recently). :wink: He said we're out of refinery space and that's not replenishable with our current bunch of politicians.
 

jodywy

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Sandhusker said:
Why isn't it refilling the oil fields that have been pumped dry?
with CO2 the Salt Creek oil field is prouducing as much oil as it did in its hey day decades ago.Alot of stripper well shut down for days or week to let the well recharge.
 

Red Robin

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WND Exclusive BLACK-GOLD BLUES
New data: Maybe oil
isn't from dead dinos
Saturn moon has more hydrocarbons
than all of Earth's known reserves
Posted: February 15, 2008
6:52 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Saturn's moon Titan
Saturn's moon Titan has hundreds of times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas reserves on Earth, according to a team of Johns Hopkins University scientists, adding to evidence that oil is not biological in origin.

The scientists at the Laurel, Md., institution were reporting this week on data collected from NASA's Cassini probe.

"Several hundred lakes or seas have been discovered, of which dozens are estimated to contain more hydrocarbon liquid than the entire known oil and gas reserves on Earth," wrote lead scientist Ralph Lorenz of the university's Applied Physics Laboratory in the Jan. 29 issue of the Geophysical Research Letters.

Lorenz also reported dark dunes running along the equator cover 20 percent of Titan's surface, comprising a volume of hydrocarbon material several hundred times larger than Earth's coal reserves.

"Titan is just covered in carbon-bearing material – it's a giant factory of organic chemicals," Lorenz wrote.

Lorenz used the term "organic chemicals" in the sense that hydrocarbons are traditionally included within the study of "organic chemistry," not to imply any of the hydrocarbons discovered on Titan are of biological origin.

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Commenting on the research findings, the European Space Agency said, "Proven reserves of natural gas on Earth total 130 thousand million tons, enough to provide 300 times the amount of energy the entire United States uses annually for residential heating, cooling and lighting."

WND previously reported NASA conclusions that the methane found on Titan is not of biological origin.

"We have determined that Titan's methane is not of biological origin, so it must be replenished by geological processes on Titan, perhaps venting from a supply in the interior that could have been trapped there as the moon formed," Hasso Niemann of the Goddard Space Flight Center told reporters Nov. 30, 2005.

Measurements were taken by the Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectromoter, or GCMS, aboard the European Space Agency's Huygens Probe, which descended through Titan's thick atmosphere Jan. 14, 2005.

Analysis of the GCMS findings determined that the methane on Titan was composed of Carbon-13, the isotope of carbon associated with abiotic origins, whereas living organisms have a preference for Carbon-12.

NASA scientists examining the ration of Carbon-13 to Carbon-12 in the methane on Titan did not observe the Carbon-12 enrichment in the methane of Titan that was associated with organic carbon on Earth, which is rich in Carbon-12.

WND also reported scientists examining the liquid hydrocarbons exuding from vents in the Lost City hydrothermal field along the Mid-Atlantic Range at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean are abiotic in origin.

The scientists examining the Lost City vents plan to return this summer to sample what they believe will be abiotic advanced hydrocarbon chains exuding from the vents, in addition to the simpler hydrocarbon chains, such as methane.

Cassini’s next fly-by of Titan is scheduled for Feb. 22, when the radar instrument will observe the landing site of the European Space Agency’s Huygens probe.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency, and the Italian Space Agency.
 

kolanuraven

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This is kinda funny.

Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

It's the equal of those who think NASA moon walks were fake but wrestlin' is REAL!!!
 

Big Muddy rancher

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kolanuraven said:
This is kinda funny.

Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

It's the equal of those who think NASA moon walks were fake but wrestlin' is REAL!!!



And your point is? :lol
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
kolanuraven said:
This is kinda funny.

Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

It's the equal of those who think NASA moon walks were fake but wrestlin' is REAL!!!



And your point is? :lol


I guess wrestlin' is real!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Mike

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Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

Who doesn't believe Dinos existed? Just curious. I missed it.
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
This is kinda funny.

Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

It's the equal of those who think NASA moon walks were fake but wrestlin' is REAL!!!
I've always believed what you like to call dinosaurs existed. Some of them still exist (snapping turtles , alligators, etc.) I've posted links where Indians hunted mastodons and such. The billions and billions of years ago fairy tale is the same as the wrastlin deal. It ain't really real. :wink: I bet you thought one of them was though huh.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Mike said:
Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

Who doesn't believe Dinos existed? Just curious. I missed it.


I don't know if there anyone here in particular but there A LOT of folks, esp here in the Bible Belt. I've run across quiet a few around here.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
This is kinda funny.

Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

It's the equal of those who think NASA moon walks were fake but wrestlin' is REAL!!!
I've always believed what you like to call dinosaurs existed. Some of them still exist (snapping turtles , alligators, etc.) I've posted links where Indians hunted mastodons and such. The billions and billions of years ago fairy tale is the same as the wrastlin deal. It ain't really real. :wink: I bet you thought one of them was though huh.


I was partial to The Rock when he was wrestlin'...I must admit that!!! :oops: :lol: :lol:
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
This is kinda funny.

Those who don't believe dinos existed....believe that there are a hydrocarbons on a moon of a planet a gazillion miles away that we've only observed thru telescopes and mathematical equations!!!!

It's the equal of those who think NASA moon walks were fake but wrestlin' is REAL!!!
I've always believed what you like to call dinosaurs existed. Some of them still exist (snapping turtles , alligators, etc.) I've posted links where Indians hunted mastodons and such. The billions and billions of years ago fairy tale is the same as the wrastlin deal. It ain't really real. :wink: I bet you thought one of them was though huh.


I was partial to The Rock when he was wrestlin'...I must admit that!!! :oops: :lol: :lol:
I kind of figured you for a scandar-agbar kind of person myself, you being the towel head supporter you are.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
Red Robin said:
I've always believed what you like to call dinosaurs existed. Some of them still exist (snapping turtles , alligators, etc.) I've posted links where Indians hunted mastodons and such. The billions and billions of years ago fairy tale is the same as the wrastlin deal. It ain't really real. :wink: I bet you thought one of them was though huh.





I was partial to The Rock when he was wrestlin'...I must admit that!!! :oops: :lol: :lol:
I kind of figured you for a scandar-agbar kind of person myself, you being the towel head supporter you are.


What da'hell are you talking about?

The Rock...aka Dwayne Johnson is 1/2 black and 1/2 Samoan.


Is that R-Kansan speak?
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
You never heard of scandar-agbar (probably spelled wrong) ? You aren't really from the south. No one that is from the south doesn't have scandar agbar as one of their arch enemies.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
You never heard of scandar-agbar (probably spelled wrong) ? You aren't really from the south. No one that is from the south doesn't have scandar agbar as one of their arch enemies.



I've got red clay bred into me...but have NEVER heard of what you speak of.


Must a local thing in your neck of the woods. :???: :???: :???:
 
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