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Every thread a sermon...

backhoeboogie

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I apologize to you personally. It is not my intention to push my belief onto you. But I will respond if you want to ask :D

Mostly I respond when I think someone has it backwards. The new testatment superceding the old etc.

Sorry Kolo. Reader should change her name to Writer. She's wearing me out!
 

kolanuraven

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It just seems that ' certain' people, no matter what the topic, jump on the stump and start yelling ' hell & damnation' and get WAY WAY off topic.


Yeah, we all get pizzy from time to time and would prob get bored to tears if we didn't get a bit off track and mean from time to time....but this is getting a bit overboard.


Just my personal take on it......but then I'm the resident ' heathen' here anyway!! :lol: :lol:
 

kolanuraven

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reader (the Second) said:
backhoeboogie said:
I apologize to you personally. It is not my intention to push my belief onto you. But I will respond if you want to ask :D

Mostly I respond when I think someone has it backwards. The new testatment superceding the old etc.

Sorry Kolo. Reader should change her name to Writer. She's wearing me out!

lol backhoeboogie, that was my devious, subversive intent :D


You're making him use more than one finger to type!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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After reading quite a few of the post here, I think that some of the posters could take on Rev. Wrights job and do it very well.
 

backhoeboogie

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hurleyjd said:
After reading quite a few of the post here, I think that some of the posters could take on Rev. Wrights job and do it very well.

But that has nothing to do with a religion, or bible study, or this thread. :D :D :D

On second thought, you may have the "Heathens" attending church with that approach. :D
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Why does EACH & EVERY single thread started here turn into a " hell fire damnation' preaching fit?

Being a little dramatic aren't we? Thousands of threads on here and a small portion go Biblical Time to Time!

Ps. Religion plays a big part in politics, rather it be in the form of hot topics like Abortion or Gay rights. So common sense would tell us at times Political Bull would have some religious context!

Cowgirl up and quit being a Cry Baby! :wink:
 

Steve

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Kolanuraven
Just my personal take on it......but then I'm the resident ' heathen' here anyway!! :lol:


when I die, and the elevator doors open, If you are the first person I see,.. I'll know I am in Hell! :twisted:
 

Ben H

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any suggestion on how to keep things on topic? That's one thing that kind of bugs me, a topic starts with something you're interested in, then you have to dig through a ton of stuff to find anything on the original topic, maybe I just got off topic.
 

backhoeboogie

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Ben H said:
any suggestion on how to keep things on topic?

Yes. But folks will get in denial and change subjects or retaliate with comparisons. You have those who make idiots of themselves and hold grudges. They carry it from post to post.

Some live by social and their religious laws. The social laws differ from country to country but folks of the same religion find common ground. Folks of no religion find common ground.

Those living by religious convictions first and foremost will always respond accordingly.

Abiding by religious convictions is not much different than those abiding by domestic laws. e.g. sort of like some Canadians supporting social medicine and some not. Some Americans desiring social medicine and some not.

You can change or amend domestic laws. You cannot change or amend what is written in the Bible. The debates will always continue. We do not all have the same convictions. We do not all live in the same states or countries so we do not all abide by the same domestic laws.

Think of women in Saudi. Now think of how women in America would respond under those circumstances. Religious convictions for some are no different than that. Some support folks convictions and some do not and do not want to know or understand.
 

kolanuraven

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Steve said:
Kolanuraven
Just my personal take on it......but then I'm the resident ' heathen' here anyway!! :lol:


when I die, and the elevator doors open, If you are the first person I see,.. I'll know I am in Hell! :twisted:


And baby, I'll have a ' special' seat saved for you!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
Kolanuraven
Just my personal take on it......but then I'm the resident ' heathen' here anyway!! :lol:


when I die, and the elevator doors open, If you are the first person I see,.. I'll know I am in Hell! :twisted:


And baby, I'll have a ' special' seat saved for you!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

wouldn't that make it Heaven for you then?

BTW:the thought of you with leather and a whip sitting in a hot setting is enough to make an old guy repent... :twisted:
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
However, I have to say, that Kola is correct that interjecting a sermon into every single post is UNACCEPTABLE. I suggest that PB stay on political topics and that we open a separate forum on religion for Sandman.

You are being over dramatic like Lulu, there have been almost 70,000 post in political bull only a small fraction have been on religion! And this would make perfect sense since one great political debate is the role religion plays in politics. There is no way to talk about Abortion, Gays or Separation of Church and State with out religious discussion being involved!

Plus if you look at subjects such as Homosexuality most times it is a Liberal that brings this subject up. Right now I believe there is like 3 threads going where this is the case. Personally I bring religion into the conversation only after someone tries to quote things that are not accurate within the Bible or the qualifications of Christianity!

Personally I have no concern one way or the other on gays, I am against Abortion but Abortion does not dictate how I vote nor am I a protester of it. As for separation of Church and State, I feel everyone has it backwards, Churches should stay as far away from Politics as possible not the other way around. Why would Gods organizations want anything to do with such evil and corrupt people as politicians!
 

Steve

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aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
However, I have to say, that Kola is correct that interjecting a sermon into every single post is UNACCEPTABLE. I suggest that PB stay on political topics and that we open a separate forum on religion for Sandman.

You are being over dramatic like Lulu, there have been almost 70,000 post in political bull only a small fraction have been on religion! And this would make perfect sense since one great political debate is the role religion plays in politics. There is no way to talk about Abortion, Gays or Separation of Church and State with out religious discussion being involved!

Plus if you look at subjects such as Homosexuality most times it is a Liberal that brings this subject up. Right now I believe there is like 3 threads going where this is the case. Personally I bring religion into the conversation only after someone tries to quote things that are not accurate within the Bible or the qualifications of Christianity!

Personally I have no concern one way or the other on gays, I am against Abortion but Abortion does not dictate how I vote nor am I a protester of it. As for separation of Church and State, I feel everyone has it backwards, Churches should stay as far away from Politics as possible not the other way around. Why would Gods organizations want anything to do with such evil and corrupt people as politicians!

I had always thought you were moderate and brought alot to a debate even if I disagreed with you on some issues. but who knows.. I might get kicked out of (being conservative) as well..

as a former Christian, (or should that be a Christain who is no longer accepted),. I found the "qualifications" interesting... to think that all the time I spent reading the bible and practicing a faith was wasted, I had thought I was on a faith Journey and wasn't quite there yet, now I know that I will never attain Biblical law righteousness, and will more then likely end up in hell with Kola getting to put me on a special seat.

thanks for nothing..
 

aplusmnt

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Steve said:
aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
However, I have to say, that Kola is correct that interjecting a sermon into every single post is UNACCEPTABLE. I suggest that PB stay on political topics and that we open a separate forum on religion for Sandman.

You are being over dramatic like Lulu, there have been almost 70,000 post in political bull only a small fraction have been on religion! And this would make perfect sense since one great political debate is the role religion plays in politics. There is no way to talk about Abortion, Gays or Separation of Church and State with out religious discussion being involved!

Plus if you look at subjects such as Homosexuality most times it is a Liberal that brings this subject up. Right now I believe there is like 3 threads going where this is the case. Personally I bring religion into the conversation only after someone tries to quote things that are not accurate within the Bible or the qualifications of Christianity!

Personally I have no concern one way or the other on gays, I am against Abortion but Abortion does not dictate how I vote nor am I a protester of it. As for separation of Church and State, I feel everyone has it backwards, Churches should stay as far away from Politics as possible not the other way around. Why would Gods organizations want anything to do with such evil and corrupt people as politicians!

I had always thought you were moderate and brought alot to a debate even if I disagreed with you on some issues. but who knows.. I might get kicked out of (being conservative) as well..

as a former Christian, (or should that be a Christain who is no longer accepted),. I found the "qualifications" interesting... to think that all the time I spent reading the bible and practicing a faith was wasted, I had thought I was on a faith Journey and wasn't quite there yet, now I know that I will never attain Biblical law righteousness, and will more then likely end up in hell with Kola getting to put me on a special seat.

thanks for nothing..

Guess I am still sleepy eyed, cause I do not follow what you are trying to say or what it is that you disagree with in my post? :?
 

Steve

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aplusmnt said:
Personally I bring religion into the conversation only after someone tries to quote things that are not accurate within the Bible or the qualifications of Christianity!

Steve said:
as a former Christian, (or should that be a Christian who is no longer accepted),. I found the "qualifications" interesting... to think that all the time I spent reading the bible and practicing a faith was wasted, I had thought I was on a faith Journey and wasn't quite there yet, now I know that I will never attain Biblical law righteousness, and will more then likely end up in hell with Kola getting to put me on a special seat.

thanks for nothing..

Aplusmtn
Guess I am still sleepy eyed, cause I do not follow what you are trying to say or what it is that you disagree with in my post? :?

I eliminated most of the clutter.. hope that clears it up..
 

aplusmnt

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Steve said:
aplusmnt said:
Personally I bring religion into the conversation only after someone tries to quote things that are not accurate within the Bible or the qualifications of Christianity!

Steve said:
as a former Christian, (or should that be a Christian who is no longer accepted),. I found the "qualifications" interesting... to think that all the time I spent reading the bible and practicing a faith was wasted, I had thought I was on a faith Journey and wasn't quite there yet, now I know that I will never attain Biblical law righteousness, and will more then likely end up in hell with Kola getting to put me on a special seat.

thanks for nothing..

Aplusmtn
Guess I am still sleepy eyed, cause I do not follow what you are trying to say or what it is that you disagree with in my post? :?

I eliminated most of the clutter.. hope that clears it up..

So you do not like that I used the word Qualifications? :? Maybe that is a harsh word for some, but in reality there are rules to be followed if we wish to be a Christian we can not just do as we please and then claim to be Christians. Christian is a verb not a Noun!
 

Steve

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aplusmnt said:
Steve said:
aplusmnt said:
Personally I bring religion into the conversation only after someone tries to quote things that are not accurate within the Bible or the qualifications of Christianity!

Steve said:
as a former Christian, (or should that be a Christian who is no longer accepted),. I found the "qualifications" interesting... to think that all the time I spent reading the bible and practicing a faith was wasted, I had thought I was on a faith Journey and wasn't quite there yet, now I know that I will never attain Biblical law righteousness, and will more then likely end up in hell with Kola getting to put me on a special seat.

thanks for nothing..

Aplusmtn
Guess I am still sleepy eyed, cause I do not follow what you are trying to say or what it is that you disagree with in my post? :?

I eliminated most of the clutter.. hope that clears it up..

So you do not like that I used the word Qualifications? :? Maybe that is a harsh word for some, but in reality there are rules to be followed if we wish to be a Christian we can not just do as we please and then claim to be Christians. Christian is a verb not a Noun!

the word didn't bother me.. I've dealt with qualification boards in the past... many jobs and duties entail qualifications.. it was that i don't meet your (or sandmans) high standards in the application of ritual Biblical law, so yes, I am a little upset at no longer being qualified or be a Christain...

as for backing off the harshness of your statements, and saying Christians can't do whatever they please. they must follow the rules or not claim to be a Christian... I can accept that. . but what rules do I follow and what rules can I let slide.. and who decides.

I have never know anyone who followed all the ritual Biblical laws .. how can we discard some Laws, yet say others are more important.

for instance I think theft is a law, as well as say murder.

both are commandments.. thou shalt not..

I will use steal as an example:
"“When a person sins and acts unfaithfully against the LORD, and deceives his companion in regard to a deposit or a security entrusted to him, or through robbery, or if he has extorted from his companion, or has found what was lost and lied about it and sworn falsely, so that he sins in regard to any one of the things a man may do; then it shall be, when he sins and becomes guilty, that he shall restore what he took by robbery, or what he got by extortion, or the deposit which was entrusted to him, or the lost thing which he found, or anything about which he swore falsely; he shall make restitution for it in full, and add to it one-fifth more. He shall give it to the one to whom it belongs on the day he presents his guilt offering, and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD; and he shall be forgiven for any one of the things which he may have done to incur guilt” (Lev. 6:1-7)."

now lets look at a minor crime,.. a really minor one at that..
Time-theft is defined as those deliberate employee actions which result in the massive, growing misuse and waste of time. Estimated time-theft are: arriving to work late, leaving early, taking unjustified ‘sick’ days, extensive socializing with co-workers, turning the water cooler into a conversation pit, inattention to the job at hand, reading novels and magazines on the job, operating a business on the side during working hours, eating lunch at the desk and then going out for the ‘lunch hour,’ excessive personal phone calls, on-the-job daydreaming and fanticizing, long, frequent coffee and snack breaks, etc

still theft.. but how do you repent.. and make restitution.
he shall make restitution for it in full, and add to it one-fifth more. He shall give it to the one to whom it belongs on the day he presents his guilt offering,

if he waits to long.. and makes a deathbed confession... he can't make restitution.. it's to late..

if the employer goes out of business.. again,.. more then likely to late... how can you work thru a dozen lunches to make up for the times you stole the additional lunch time at your desk..

but the alarming fact is.. you violated GOD's word, and the Biblical law.. and a commandment at that.. and repentance is hard as the crime is small,. and "I forgot about restitution" isn't an excuse.. ironic isn't it..

to think one could go to hell for taking to long of a coffee break.. or stopping to eat lunch while plowing a field. even if it only was a few minutes...and I didn't even get into finding a few loose quarters in the sofa..
 

backhoeboogie

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Okay. Victory for someone because they even have the Christians disagreeing amongst themselves!

Either you believe in Christ or you do not. You can fool me and you can fool everyone else, but you aint fooling who is important. There are no qualifications. Think of the two theives on the cross besides Jesus.

Now, on the political side of things. When someone runs for office, or tries to pass a law, or tries to repeal a law, it may or may not affect my religious convictions. When and if it does, I will express support or opposition accordingly.

I am not the one who brought up abortion. But I do get on my knees and give thanks that my daughter did not choose that route. My grandson is a very bright light for me. I was opposed to it long before he came along. I cannot categorize that as religious, moral or ethical because I am opposed in all three categories.

I am not a preacher man.
 
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