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The U.S. government's Operation Fast and Furious was a plot to subvert gun rights in America, National Rifle Association president Wayne LaPierre (pictured at left) charged October 14 in an interview with Newsmax.TV.

“It’s the only thing that makes any sense,” LaPierre said of the gunrunning "sting" operation that resulted in thousands of U.S.-purchased firearms ending up in the hands of violent Mexican drug traffickers. LaPierre noted that "over a period of two or three years they were running thousands and thousands of guns to the most evil people on earth,” while government officials were claiming that 90 percent of the guns used by the Mexican cartels were coming from the United States. However, said LaPierre:

That [90 percent] was a phony figure from the very start. Even the Wikileaks cables from our own State Department prove they are coming from Central America; they are not coming from the U.S. Every police officer will tell you that they’re coming from Russia, they’re coming from China, most of them are coming from Central America and a lot of them are coming from defections from the Mexican Army.


The NRA president charged that President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wanted to make it appear that guns were coming from the United States, “so they could stick more gun [control] legislation on honest American gun owners of the United States.”

LaPierre claimed it was only due to the killing last December of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry by armed Mexicans in Arizona that the government-sanctioned gunrunning operation ever came to light. Two assault rifles recovered at the scene of the shooting were reported to be linked to the Fast and Furious operation and a Fox News report last month claimed a third rifle used in the shootout might also have arrived in Mexico via the Fast and Furious scheme. According to unidentified sources cited in the report, information about the third rifle has been concealed by the FBI to protect an informant. “Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry,” Fox News disclosed. The FBI, which is investigating the Terry killing, declined comment.

“We wouldn’t know about this at all if [Terry] had not been killed and some of the good, honest, decent federal agents down the line had enough of the stench coming out of Washington and started to use the Whistleblower Act to go public and call the Justice Department out on this whole rotten, stinking scheme,” LaPierre told Newsmax. "Otherwise thousands of guns would still be going over the border into the Mexican drug cartels and the President and the Attorney General and the Secretary of State would all be running around going, '90 percent of the guns come from America' in an attempt to seek political advantage and in an attempt to enact more gun control laws on honest American citizens and use this whole issue politically against the Second Amendment of the United States.”

The government effort to conceal the truth about the Fast and Furious operation is the biggest cover-up since the Watergate scandal which led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon in 1974, LaPierre declared, adding,

Look at what has happened. We had our Department of Justice under the Obama administration running thousands and thousands of guns over the border and watching them go directly into the hands of some of the most evil people on earth, the Mexican drug cartels.

At the same time they were letting the reputation of good, honest, decent Americans, law-abiding American gun dealers, be ruined.

They ordered these sales to be made — they even overrode the InstaCheck system and ordered the dealers to make the sales. Then, when it all starts coming out, there’s a massive cover-up.

The operation was conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (still known as ATF) in the Department of Justice. LaPierre added his voice to those of a number of Republican members of Congress who have called for the resignation of Attorney General Holder and the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the gunrunning operation.

“My gosh, Valerie Plame gets a special prosecutor,” LaPierre exclaimed, referring to the CIA agent whose name was leaked during the George W. Bush presidency. “And all we get on Fast and Furious — where people are dead, a federal agent is dead, hundreds of crimes are being committed — is an Eric Holder cover-up." He contended that the actions of the U.S. government resembled those of a banana republic: “Doesn’t that sound like something that would happen more from a South American dictatorship than what we expect in the Good Ol’ USA?” He continued,

This can’t be allowed to stand. What has happened in Fast and Furious is the equivalent of our Justice Department becoming willing co-conspirators with the Mexican drug cartels in their crimes. If any citizen in this country had sold [guns] to the Mexican drug cartels and then those cartels had used those guns to kill good, honest, decent people, any U.S. Attorney worth his salt would indict that citizen for accessory to murder. That’s what’s happened here.

In the same interview, the NRA president warned that a second term for the Obama administration would result in the appointment of Supreme Court justices who would “erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the Constitution of the U.S.” The 2012 election will be “the most dangerous election in our lifetime for the Second Amendment freedom that American citizens have,” LaPierre asserted. “A second term by President Obama will break the back of that freedom in this country.”
 
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The U.S. government's Operation Fast and Furious was a plot to subvert gun rights in America, National Rifle Association president Wayne LaPierre (pictured at left) charged October 14 in an interview with Newsmax.TV.

“It’s the only thing that makes any sense,” LaPierre said of the gunrunning "sting" operation that resulted in thousands of U.S.-purchased firearms ending up in the hands of violent Mexican drug traffickers. LaPierre noted that "over a period of two or three years they were running thousands and thousands of guns to the most evil people on earth,” while government officials were claiming that 90 percent of the guns used by the Mexican cartels were coming from the United States. However, said LaPierre:

That [90 percent] was a phony figure from the very start. Even the Wikileaks cables from our own State Department prove they are coming from Central America; they are not coming from the U.S. Every police officer will tell you that they’re coming from Russia, they’re coming from China, most of them are coming from Central America and a lot of them are coming from defections from the Mexican Army.


The NRA president charged that President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wanted to make it appear that guns were coming from the United States, “so they could stick more gun [control] legislation on honest American gun owners of the United States.”

LaPierre claimed it was only due to the killing last December of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry by armed Mexicans in Arizona that the government-sanctioned gunrunning operation ever came to light. Two assault rifles recovered at the scene of the shooting were reported to be linked to the Fast and Furious operation and a Fox News report last month claimed a third rifle used in the shootout might also have arrived in Mexico via the Fast and Furious scheme. According to unidentified sources cited in the report, information about the third rifle has been concealed by the FBI to protect an informant. “Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry,” Fox News disclosed. The FBI, which is investigating the Terry killing, declined comment.

“We wouldn’t know about this at all if [Terry] had not been killed and some of the good, honest, decent federal agents down the line had enough of the stench coming out of Washington and started to use the Whistleblower Act to go public and call the Justice Department out on this whole rotten, stinking scheme,” LaPierre told Newsmax. "Otherwise thousands of guns would still be going over the border into the Mexican drug cartels and the President and the Attorney General and the Secretary of State would all be running around going, '90 percent of the guns come from America' in an attempt to seek political advantage and in an attempt to enact more gun control laws on honest American citizens and use this whole issue politically against the Second Amendment of the United States.”

The government effort to conceal the truth about the Fast and Furious operation is the biggest cover-up since the Watergate scandal which led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon in 1974, LaPierre declared, adding,

Look at what has happened. We had our Department of Justice under the Obama administration running thousands and thousands of guns over the border and watching them go directly into the hands of some of the most evil people on earth, the Mexican drug cartels.

At the same time they were letting the reputation of good, honest, decent Americans, law-abiding American gun dealers, be ruined.

They ordered these sales to be made — they even overrode the InstaCheck system and ordered the dealers to make the sales. Then, when it all starts coming out, there’s a massive cover-up.

The operation was conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (still known as ATF) in the Department of Justice. LaPierre added his voice to those of a number of Republican members of Congress who have called for the resignation of Attorney General Holder and the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the gunrunning operation.

“My gosh, Valerie Plame gets a special prosecutor,” LaPierre exclaimed, referring to the CIA agent whose name was leaked during the George W. Bush presidency. “And all we get on Fast and Furious — where people are dead, a federal agent is dead, hundreds of crimes are being committed — is an Eric Holder cover-up." He contended that the actions of the U.S. government resembled those of a banana republic: “Doesn’t that sound like something that would happen more from a South American dictatorship than what we expect in the Good Ol’ USA?” He continued,

This can’t be allowed to stand. What has happened in Fast and Furious is the equivalent of our Justice Department becoming willing co-conspirators with the Mexican drug cartels in their crimes. If any citizen in this country had sold [guns] to the Mexican drug cartels and then those cartels had used those guns to kill good, honest, decent people, any U.S. Attorney worth his salt would indict that citizen for accessory to murder. That’s what’s happened here.

In the same interview, the NRA president warned that a second term for the Obama administration would result in the appointment of Supreme Court justices who would “erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the Constitution of the U.S.” The 2012 election will be “the most dangerous election in our lifetime for the Second Amendment freedom that American citizens have,” LaPierre asserted. “A second term by President Obama will break the back of that freedom in this country.”

So that must be the same reason President Bush and his administration ran the same type operation :???:
 

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Lonecowboy said:
The U.S. government's Operation Fast and Furious was a plot to subvert gun rights in America, National Rifle Association president Wayne LaPierre (pictured at left) charged October 14 in an interview with Newsmax.TV.

“It’s the only thing that makes any sense,” LaPierre said of the gunrunning "sting" operation that resulted in thousands of U.S.-purchased firearms ending up in the hands of violent Mexican drug traffickers. LaPierre noted that "over a period of two or three years they were running thousands and thousands of guns to the most evil people on earth,” while government officials were claiming that 90 percent of the guns used by the Mexican cartels were coming from the United States. However, said LaPierre:

That [90 percent] was a phony figure from the very start. Even the Wikileaks cables from our own State Department prove they are coming from Central America; they are not coming from the U.S. Every police officer will tell you that they’re coming from Russia, they’re coming from China, most of them are coming from Central America and a lot of them are coming from defections from the Mexican Army.


The NRA president charged that President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wanted to make it appear that guns were coming from the United States, “so they could stick more gun [control] legislation on honest American gun owners of the United States.”

LaPierre claimed it was only due to the killing last December of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry by armed Mexicans in Arizona that the government-sanctioned gunrunning operation ever came to light. Two assault rifles recovered at the scene of the shooting were reported to be linked to the Fast and Furious operation and a Fox News report last month claimed a third rifle used in the shootout might also have arrived in Mexico via the Fast and Furious scheme. According to unidentified sources cited in the report, information about the third rifle has been concealed by the FBI to protect an informant. “Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry,” Fox News disclosed. The FBI, which is investigating the Terry killing, declined comment.

“We wouldn’t know about this at all if [Terry] had not been killed and some of the good, honest, decent federal agents down the line had enough of the stench coming out of Washington and started to use the Whistleblower Act to go public and call the Justice Department out on this whole rotten, stinking scheme,” LaPierre told Newsmax. "Otherwise thousands of guns would still be going over the border into the Mexican drug cartels and the President and the Attorney General and the Secretary of State would all be running around going, '90 percent of the guns come from America' in an attempt to seek political advantage and in an attempt to enact more gun control laws on honest American citizens and use this whole issue politically against the Second Amendment of the United States.”

The government effort to conceal the truth about the Fast and Furious operation is the biggest cover-up since the Watergate scandal which led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon in 1974, LaPierre declared, adding,

Look at what has happened. We had our Department of Justice under the Obama administration running thousands and thousands of guns over the border and watching them go directly into the hands of some of the most evil people on earth, the Mexican drug cartels.

At the same time they were letting the reputation of good, honest, decent Americans, law-abiding American gun dealers, be ruined.

They ordered these sales to be made — they even overrode the InstaCheck system and ordered the dealers to make the sales. Then, when it all starts coming out, there’s a massive cover-up.

The operation was conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (still known as ATF) in the Department of Justice. LaPierre added his voice to those of a number of Republican members of Congress who have called for the resignation of Attorney General Holder and the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the gunrunning operation.

“My gosh, Valerie Plame gets a special prosecutor,” LaPierre exclaimed, referring to the CIA agent whose name was leaked during the George W. Bush presidency. “And all we get on Fast and Furious — where people are dead, a federal agent is dead, hundreds of crimes are being committed — is an Eric Holder cover-up." He contended that the actions of the U.S. government resembled those of a banana republic: “Doesn’t that sound like something that would happen more from a South American dictatorship than what we expect in the Good Ol’ USA?” He continued,

This can’t be allowed to stand. What has happened in Fast and Furious is the equivalent of our Justice Department becoming willing co-conspirators with the Mexican drug cartels in their crimes. If any citizen in this country had sold [guns] to the Mexican drug cartels and then those cartels had used those guns to kill good, honest, decent people, any U.S. Attorney worth his salt would indict that citizen for accessory to murder. That’s what’s happened here.

In the same interview, the NRA president warned that a second term for the Obama administration would result in the appointment of Supreme Court justices who would “erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the Constitution of the U.S.” The 2012 election will be “the most dangerous election in our lifetime for the Second Amendment freedom that American citizens have,” LaPierre asserted. “A second term by President Obama will break the back of that freedom in this country.”

So that must be the same reason President Bush and his administration ran the same type operation :???:

You just told a lie and you know it! There has been a dozen or so posts on here proving that WRONG so get off of it oldtimer. beating bush is a dead horse.
 

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LC, you really gotta give the man a break. And as someone who bashes the old windbag at every available chance, it's time for me to give credit where credit is due.

OT's ability to write the stuff he writes, with a straight face, and while never once removing Obama's johnson from his mouth is nothing short of amazing.

I tip my hat to the old fool.
 
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Dubbed “Operation Wide Receiver,” the case was run out of Tucson between 2006 and 2007 and involved hundreds of guns that were purchased by small-time buyers who transferred them to middle men who then passed them up the chain and into Mexico.

So you two are so brainwashed by your cultist following that you are going to believe that GW's (R) crew ran their operation for honorable reasons- and when Obamas (D) bunch runs an almost identical operation it was for an evil conspiracy :???: :roll: :lol: :lol:

Maybe GW and Obama conspired together on it ? :wink:
 

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Here ya go buddy.

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So are you trying to say that GW and crew was better at covering up stuff than Obama and his bunch are :???:

Don't worry- in the investigation of "fast and furious"-- it sounds like "operation wide receiver" will get looked into also, since it appears Congress knew nothing of either of them (which I would expect on any undercover operation, since none of the Congressmen seem able to keep their mouths shut)....
 

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There you go again arguing a point no one tried to make. :lol:

What you can't seem to grasp OT is that you come across as a complete hypocrite when discussing any policy of Obama's that even remotely resembles something GW did. And most of those GW policies invoked you to call for CHANGE from the King George Regime.

Now? It's all good as the kids say these days.

And you call us cultists. :roll:
 

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Whitewing said:
There you go again arguing a point no one tried to make. :lol:

What you can't seem to grasp OT is that you come across as a complete hypocrite when discussing any policy of Obama's that even remotely resembles something GW did. And most of those GW policies invoked you to call for CHANGE from the King George Regime.

Now? It's all good as the kids say these days.

And you call us cultists. :roll:

What else would you expect from the resident Drool Queen, WW? You'd think his jaws would be killing him by now. :wink:
 
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And what I've been trying to say is that these type of "buys and walks" of all type contraband have been going on for years- and is a common tactic that law enforcement uses often when trying to get to the leadership "big fish" in a criminal operation....

And this is not the first one that went astray- nor will it be the last....

I would think anyone that believes in the second amendment- and keeping our gun rights, would be supporting catching those illegally trading in and using these guns in illegal activities--because if it can't be stopped with the current laws we have-- there will be a big push to make new laws and more gun regulation...
 

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I would think anyone that believes in the second amendment- and keeping our gun rights, would be supporting catching those illegally trading in and using these guns in illegal activities--because if it can't be stopped with the current laws we have-- there will be a big push to make new laws and more gun regulation...

Jesus Christ you old fool. Who here said they were against catching those illegally trading in and using guns in illegal activities????? I'll give ya a hint............NO ONE.

You really don't get it, or you're just so blinded by Obamalust (or shame that you supported this miserable failure of a president) that you can't understand, or refuse to understand what's being argued here.
 

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I would think anyone that believes in the second amendment- and keeping our gun rights, would be supporting catching those illegally trading in and using these guns in illegal activities--because if it can't be stopped with the current laws we have-- there will be a big push to make new laws and more gun regulation...[/quote]


HELLO_ is anybody home?

those that are
" illegally trading in and using these guns in illegal activities"
are obama's administration! that is the point, what they are/were doing is illegal! what part of that do you not understand?

and they are doing it, so
" there will be a big push to make new laws and more gun regulation"

why? they are trying to prove
-" it can't be stopped with the current laws we have"

that is the whole point and you know it so quit acting like a daft halfwitted retard and playing the fool like you can't understand! you just don't want to admit it is all!
 
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Lonecowboy- you still didn't answer me why GW and his AG did the same thing...

Whats your conspiracy story there? :???:
 

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Lonecowboy- you still didn't answer me why GW and his AG did the same thing...

Whats your conspiracy story there? :???:

Tell ya what, windbag. Give us a link to the quote of GW telling regulators to take an 8 year holiday and we'll answer why GW and his AG did the same thing.

Deal?




Thought not.
 

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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy- you still didn't answer me why GW and his AG did the same thing...

Whats your conspiracy story there? :???:

Tell ya what, windbag. Give us a link to the quote of GW telling regulators to take an 8 year holiday and we'll answer why GW and his AG did the same thing.

Deal?




Thought not.

That should keep him busy for a week or two. Or MORE!!! :lol: :lol:

Here's his exact quote on 1/11/2009 at 12:19 P.M.

Oldtimer: How many agencies now have the empolyees came forward and said "we were told to do nothing, shuffle paper, look busy" or "take an 8 year coffee break" or "change the facts to make it look good- or safe"

USDA, FDA, EPA, CDC, CFTC, SEC, etc. etc....
 

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Mike said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy- you still didn't answer me why GW and his AG did the same thing...

Whats your conspiracy story there? :???:

Tell ya what, windbag. Give us a link to the quote of GW telling regulators to take an 8 year holiday and we'll answer why GW and his AG did the same thing.

Deal?




Thought not.

That should keep him busy for a week or two. Or MORE!!! :lol: :lol:

Nah. He knows it's BS, knew it was BS when he said it but the stubborn old fool would rather have a heart attack than ever admit he made a mistake or is a blatant liar.

He's a real piece of work.....and I've come in contact with some real pieces over the years.
 

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Here's his exact quote on 1/11/2009 at 12:19 P.M.

Oldtimer: How many agencies now have the empolyees came forward and said "we were told to do nothing, shuffle paper, look busy" or "take an 8 year coffee break" or "change the facts to make it look good- or safe"

USDA, FDA, EPA, CDC, CFTC, SEC, etc. etc....
[/quote]
 

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And what I've been trying to say is that these type of "buys and walks" of all type contraband have been going on for years- and is a common tactic that law enforcement uses often when trying to get to the leadership "big fish" in a criminal operation....

And this is not the first one that went astray- nor will it be the last....

I would think anyone that believes in the second amendment- and keeping our gun rights, would be supporting catching those illegally trading in and using these guns in illegal activities--because if it can't be stopped with the current laws we have-- there will be a big push to make new laws and more gun regulation...


and like I tried to explain to you in the past....the Bush operation was co-ordinated with the Mexican government and the guns were tracked, unlike the obama operation
 

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