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Experts: Mad cow cases could be spontaneous

Sandhusker

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Murgen, "How long was the border closed due to RCALF's court challenge? Of Live animals? Almost 12 months, if memory serves correctly. If not for RCALF's challenge, the border would have been open to Live UTM earlier. "

Your memory fails you, Murgen. Cebull delayed the March opening to July. That's not quite four months, and the border was closed for what, 26 months? The injunction closed it for 4 months, the USDA's action had it closed for 22 months, and you're yelling at R-CALF? :shock: Come on, Murge.

Also, I'd like to point out that if Judge Cebull didn't see any points in R-CALF's arguements, he wouldn't ordered the injunction.
 
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Anonymous

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Much of what was being said by the Packers/AMI/NCBA about the Border closure causing US plants to close was just BS and hype to try and get the border reopened.....

I'd rather go on the info of those that are not financially bought out- the truckers and buyers that work with these plants....

I am friends to a couple guys that are cow buyers for the packers...They said that these slowdowns and closures, moving locations, and reopenings are every day business- been going on for years...They did not put any of it on the border closure...

As one buyer told me he had bought cull cows for one guy for 20 years--who has operated under 4 different company names at 5 different locations in those 20 years..Things get tight, he just goes belly up, shuts down-then goes to somewhere else and gets a bunch of govt. concessions and tax exemptions-picks up a few more willing investors and reopens- each time making sure he pockets a tidey amount while open...In fact as he was telling me this a few months ago, the guy was closing one plant in one state while he was reopening another in another state...Just part of the game they play....Some depends on supply- like back when the US had the dairy buyout, but a lot depends on differing and changing local and state laws and rules regarding taxes, DEQ, labor, unions, etc. etc. Many of these plants get 5-7 year exemptions on a lot of these things from the local governments- when the time runs out they just pack up and move to a new state and do the same....

As one trucker told me- thats how they keep their plants modern and up to date with the changes :wink:
 

Murgen

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Following publication of USDA’s Minimum Risk Rule, U.S. imports of live
cattle
from Canada had been slated to resume on March 7, 2004, but this trade was stopped by a lawsuit and injunction brought against USDA on March 2, 2004, by the Ranchers Cattlemen Action Legal Fund (R-CALF).
The organization challenged the legality of the rule proposed by USDA to
again allow imports of live cattle from Canada, a country recognized by the World Animal Health Organization (OIE) as having animals infected with BSE (R-CALF v. USDA).

In May 2005, the OIE announced a new set of
country-risk categories for BSE status and products: “Negligible BSE Risk,”
“Controlled BSE Risk,” and “Undetermined BSE Risk.” The R-CALF
injunction was stayed on July 14, 2005, and later reversed (July 25, 2005)
by a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. On July 18,
2005, Canadian livestock began to cross the United States border for

Are these dates wrong?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Murgen said:
Following publication of USDA’s Minimum Risk Rule, U.S. imports of live
cattle
from Canada had been slated to resume on March 7, 2004, but this trade was stopped by a lawsuit and injunction brought against USDA on March 2, 2004, by the Ranchers Cattlemen Action Legal Fund (R-CALF).
The organization challenged the legality of the rule proposed by USDA to
again allow imports of live cattle from Canada, a country recognized by the World Animal Health Organization (OIE) as having animals infected with BSE (R-CALF v. USDA).

In May 2005, the OIE announced a new set of
country-risk categories for BSE status and products: “Negligible BSE Risk,”
“Controlled BSE Risk,” and “Undetermined BSE Risk.” The R-CALF
injunction was stayed on July 14, 2005, and later reversed (July 25, 2005)
by a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. On July 18,
2005, Canadian livestock began to cross the United States border for

Are these dates wrong?

I think they are. The border was supposed to open in March 2005. Between March and July was when the boneheads in the Ninth said the USDA needed to be given deference.
 

Murgen

Well-known member
yep, sorry, copied a article with a misprint. Damn guys at the USDA can't do anything right, including reading a calendar! :D :D
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Murgen said:
yep, sorry, copied a article with a misprint. Damn guys at the USDA can't do anything right, including reading a calendar! :D :D

No problem. Now you see why some of us are ready to run the whole dang bunch out.
 

flounder

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Subject: MAD COW FEED RECALL USA Albertville, AL -- June 16, 2006 -- H.J. Baker & Bro.
Date: June 20, 2006 at 6:55 am PST
MAD COW FEED RECALL USA Albertville, AL -- June 16, 2006 -- H.J. Baker & Bro.


Recall -- Firm Press Release

FDA posts press releases and other notices of recalls and market withdrawals from the firms involved as a service to consumers, the media, and other interested parties. FDA does not endorse either the product or the company. This listserv covers mainly Class I (life-threatening) recalls. A complete listing of recalls can be found in the FDA Enforcement Report at: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/Enforce.html

HJ Baker and Bro., Inc. Announces National Recall of Three Animal Feed Products Containing Prohibited Ingredients
Contact:
Mark Hohnbaum
501-664-4870

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- Albertville, AL -- June 16, 2006 -- H.J. Baker & Bro. has announced today that in cooperation with the US Food & Drug Administration (FDA) it has begun efforts to retrieve PRO-PAK WITH PORCINE MEAT AND BONE, PRO-LAK, AND PRO-AMINO II produced at its Albertville, AL facility. These products are used as an ingredient in the manufacturing of livestock feed, including feed for dairy animals. This action is being taken to address potential risk of unintentional contamination with ruminant derived protein that may have occurred at this facility from August 2005 to June 2006. Certain mammalian protein is prohibited for use in ruminant feed. These products were distributed in bulk or bags to feed manufacturers and dairy farms in Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, California, and Louisiana.

If you have received any of these products, discontinue their use immediately. Quarantine the product so that it cannot be inadvertently used in the manufacture of feeds and contact the manufacturer at 501-664-4870 for further instructions.

"All production and shipment of these products from the Albertville mill have ceased and all of our customers are being notified of the potential contamination. With the advice and support of the FDA, we were able to respond rapidly to address this matter," said Christopher Smith, President & CEO.

H.J. Baker & Bro., Inc., headquartered in Westport, CT, has served the fertilizer and animal feed industries since the Company was founded in 1850.

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lets see here now, we have mad cows in Alabama, we have mad cow feed in Alabama, however JUST another spontaneous event of more BSe. ...TSS

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