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Eye Opener for OT

loomixguy

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Since you claim to worship the same God as the peace loving members of Hamas, ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Queda, etc., and especially since you imagine yourself a "Devil's Advocate", here's a little homework for you....

Go to www.shoebat.com and READ the articles and study the accompanying pictures. Don't just gloss over them, but spend a few minutes and engage the few remaining brain cells you have left. Then read the comments that follow the articles.

Now, here's the challenge: if half, just HALF, of the articles are true, can you still in good faith claim to worship the same God that is calling these Muslims to indiscriminately commit rape, torture, and murder? Is there just the smallest chance that Allah is an entirely different Deity than the Deity you purport to worship?

If you still imagine God is Allah, all one and the same, I'd be curious as to how you arrived at that conclusion.
 

Mike

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According to Sharia, it is perfectly OK for OT to lie, deceive, and cover up the misgivings of Muslims. His justification is called TAQIYYA:



Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honor and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wits for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honor on their own account and vice versa for their opponents. If honor so demands, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.” [David Pryce-Jones, “The Closed Circle” An interpretation of the Arabs, p4]


“No dishonor attaches to such primary transactions as selling short weight, deceiving anyone about quality, quantity or kind of goods, cheating at gambling, and bearing false witness. The doer of these things is merely quicker off the mark than the next fellow; owing him nothing, he is not to be blamed for taking what he can.” [David Pryce-Jones, “The Closed Circle”, p38]


The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.


Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart. (See endnotes)


Like many Islamic practices, taqiyya was formed within the context of the culture of Arab tribalism, expansionary warfare, Bedouin raiding and inter-tribal conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse, confound and divide 'the enemy’.

To me. He's still a dishonest liar...................
 

loomixguy

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It seems that if God were Allah, he's sure sending mixed signals to his children.

God teaches us not to bear false witness our neighbor, but Allah teaches us that it's OK to bear false witness.

How can they be one and the same while giving us totally opposite teachings?
 

Steve

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How can they be one and the same while giving us totally opposite teachings?

they can't.. as I pointed out... either Jesus is right ... or the muslim false prophet is right..



here is an example of why the cult of allah can not be the GOD of our Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
Since Baal simply means 'master', there is no obvious reason for which it could not be applied to Yahweh as well as other gods. In fact, Hebrews generally referred to Yahweh as Adonai ('my lord') in prayer

Baal, also rendered Baʿal (Biblical Hebrew בַּעַל, pronounced [ˈbaʕal]), is a North-West Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord"

Since Baal simply means 'master', there is no obvious reason for which it could not be applied to Yahweh as well as other gods. In fact, Hebrews generally referred to Yahweh as Adonai ('my lord') in prayer.

"Baal" may refer to any god.

oh those funny modern liberals over at Wikipedia sure want ot have it mean so little don't they..

often we refer to our LORD

but not our Ba'al .

maybe it was because our GOD made a point to show he was not a general run of the mill god..

It was the program of Jezebel, in the 9th century, to introduce into Israel's capital city of Samaria her Phoenician cult of Baal as opposed to the worship of Yahweh that made the name anathema to the Israelites.[16] The competition between the priestly forces of Yahweh and of Baal in the ninth century is attested in 1Kings 18. Elijah the prophet challenged Baal's prophets to settle the question whether it was Ba'al or Yahweh who supplied the rain. Elijah offered a sacrifice to Yahweh; Baal's followers did the same. According to the Hebrew Bible, Baal did not light his followers' sacrifice, but Yahweh sent heavenly fire to burn Elijah's sacrifice and altar to ashes, even after it had been soaked with water.

this diluting of our GOD has happened over the centuries.. and in the accounts in the bible it never turned out well for those followers..

we tend to let other stray and believe what they want.. as it is often thought that it is not our place to judge..

but I do not feel the concept of islams' god being the same should go unchallenged..





(Zechariah 13:2)

(Acts 4:12)
 
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Joshua Chapter 6

1 Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.

2 And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, [and] the mighty men of valour.

3 And ye shall compass the city, all [ye] men of war, [and] go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.

4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.

5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long [blast] with the ram's horn, [and] when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD.

7 And he said unto the people, Pass on, and compass the city, and let him that is armed pass on before the ark of the LORD.

8 And it came to pass, when Joshua had spoken unto the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns passed on before the LORD, and blew with the trumpets: and the ark of the covenant of the LORD followed them.

9 And the armed men went before the priests that blew with the trumpets, and the rereward came after the ark, [the priests] going on, and blowing with the trumpets.

10 And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall [any] word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout.

11 So the ark of the LORD compassed the city, going about [it] once: and they came into the camp, and lodged in the camp.

12 And Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the LORD.

13 And seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD went on continually, and blew with the trumpets: and the armed men went before them; but the rereward came after the ark of the LORD, [the priests] going on, and blowing with the trumpets.

14 And the second day they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days.

15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.

16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

17 And the city shall be accursed, [even] it, and all that [are] therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that [are] with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

18 And ye, in any wise keep [yourselves] from the accursed thing, lest ye make [yourselves] accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, [are] consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.

20 So the people shouted when [the priests] blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

21 And they utterly destroyed all that [was] in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.

23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.

24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that [was] therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel [even] unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

26 And Joshua adjured [them] at that time, saying, Cursed [be] the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest [son] shall he set up the gates of it.

27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was [noised] throughout all the country.


Apparently you seem to forget all the threads of incidents thru history and the killing God allowed done in his name by Jew's and Christians ...

We've argued this til everyone should be blue in the face...

You believe whatever you want to believe- and I'll follow my beliefs...
 

loomixguy

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So now it's OK for followers of the Prophet to indiscriminately murder, rape, and torture not just Christians, but Jews and fellow Muslims as well...just because of what happened at Jericho and other places thousands of years ago?

What about the 1500 Muslim soldiers who were recently captured by ISIS and summarily executed and their bodies dumped in a lake? Is that OK? No moral outrage?

Did you even go to shoebat.com and look around, or are you so bull headed that all you could do is copy & paste a passage from the Old Testament?

If you won't stand up now for what is right, what are you going to do when the Hadji's come for you with that knife, just waiting to cut your infidel head off? You going to explain to them that you worship the same God as they do? Good luck with that. There won't be anybody left to stand up for you.

For somebody who refuses to cross the street unless you're "packing", you are sure a spineless wonder.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Fits him to a Taqiyya.

Sure seems strange,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, a religion promoting lying & dishonesty..............

But, the Fat One fits perfectly.. :wink:
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
I don't see Old Taqiyya getting his ample rear end out of this corner he's painted himself into. No amount of logic, no matter how you twist it, can allow a thinking person to state that the Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God.

Old Taqiyya doesn't even realize that his Muslim "brothers" would just as soon cut off his head for being an infidel than they would look at him. Ask the Kurds what their Muslim brothers are doing to them right now. Hint: it ain't practicing brotherly love.
 

Whitewing

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loomixguy said:
I don't see Old Taqiyya getting his ample rear end out of this corner he's painted himself into. No amount of logic, no matter how you twist it, can allow a thinking person to state that the Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God.

Old Taqiyya doesn't even realize that his Muslim "brothers" would just as soon cut off his head for being an infidel than they would look at him. Ask the Kurds what their Muslim brothers are doing to them right now. Hint: it ain't practicing brotherly love.

Impossible to cut off that head, way too many chins.
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Steve

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it is a story of conquest,.. one that has always concerned me..

I my self would use other passages if I was to ever "go into battle" to guide my actions... but we all know the liberals strict rules of engagement often cost more lives then the save.

the Bible passages often can not be taken, nor understood without studying them .. the battle Jericho is one.

Given what we know about Canaanite life in the Bronze Age, Jericho and Ai were military strongholds. In fact, Jericho guarded the trade routes from the Jordan Valley up to population centers in the hill country. . . . That means that Israel’s wars here were directed toward government and military installments; this is where the king, the army, and the priesthood resided.

- See more at: http://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2011/03/31/who-did-joshua-kill-in-jericho/#sthash.gG7jNeoy.dpuf


Copan’s argument is compelling, as it cites ancient Near Eastern historical data to place in context what the original readers of Joshua’s book would have understood. - As we gather more data about the ancient Near East, we must constantly refine our understanding of the biblical texts. -



Jericho controlled the way of ascent into these mountains, and Ai, another fortress, stood at the head of the ascent. If the Israelites were to capture the hill country they must certainly take Jericho and Ai.

sometimes modern translation is not adequate to explain a story from the Bible, so further research is needed to understand why GOD would destroy a key fortress and not want anyone to escape to warn the next fortress that must be taken..

should they have been captured and put in a POW camp.. yes.. if they could be taken.. (most in the era became slaves of the conquering army.. so all in the fortress may have resisted onto death).. GOD may have understood they would fight to the death and prepared Joshua for this outcome.
 

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