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Bill

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Oldtimer said:
Murgen said:
Why would RCALF host this org. form Australia and tell them they would rather have Aussie beef in the US, over Canadian?

http://www.austbeef.com.au/default.asp?RegID=15403

That ones simple- Australia hasn't found 7 BSE cattle- 3 of which were POST feedban- and isn't proposing to dump a bunch of high risk cattle into the US system- which is not prepared for them....Australia also doesn't create the captive supply Packer owned to manipulate prices with problem that Canada does ....

Does this sound familiar?

ABA – no friend of Australian beef producers
October 26, 2004
Cattle Council of Australia Media Release
http://www.cattlecouncil.com.au/
“The Australian Beef Association (ABA), are an extremist minority group, more intent on an agenda of self promotion through fear and confusion, than progressing the issues which will influence the profitability and future of Australian beef producers”, said Cattle Council President, Keith Adams.
“The ABA is now associating with extremist groups in other countries such as R-CALF. R-CALF is a right wing US based organisation which has previously issued statements claiming Australian beef producers receive subsidies that put them at an unfair advantage in international markets and congratulating US senators who voted against the US AUS FTA. R-CALF has also held joint press conferences with radical anti-beef activist groups to target the USDA’s handling of BSE. By associating with such radical groups, the ABA have again demonstrated they are no friend of Australian beef producers.”
Keith Adams also said that, “in the lead-up to the Federal election, the ABA and their associates launched a vitriolic attack on the Federal Government and the National Party in particular. This included public rallies where they attacked senior Ministers such as John Anderson, Mark Vaile and Warren Truss and claimed their supporters would punish them in the Federal election over issues such as NLIS. They even supported candidates opposing some Ministers”.
“The result could not have been more graphic, with the electorate rejecting the ABA mantra out of hand. As we know, the Coalition was returned with an increased majority and Ministers such as Warren Truss also increased their margin, despite the ABA smear campaign. This is a graphic illustration that producers know that you cannot run a country or an industry on single or side issues. Much more is needed in these positions of responsibility than fear and confusion. You also have to be able to demonstrate a capacity to deal with the big issues and deliver.”
Mr Adams said, “that in comparison, the Cattle Council (whose membership dwarfs that of the ABA) is prepared to deal with the difficult issues and debate these with government in a firm, but reasoned manner. This has resulted in commitments such as $20 million form the Federal Government to assist producers with implementation of the NLIS.”
“There are many challenges facing the Australian beef industry such as BSE, the marketing of Australian beef around the world and reducing market access barriers. It is these things which will have the greatest impact on the profitability of beef producers, not the ABA’s extremist agenda and its fixation on industry structures.”
As the saying goes – if you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows. The ABA would do well to bear this in mind.”
 

Bill

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Econ wrote:
Are you trying to make up some issue here Murgen? Perhaps you packer backers (since you are calling me a blamer) would like to explain why Australia is willing to test for bse if Japan asks it while the U.S. does not allow those tests?

What's your source of this information or are you simply"trying to make up some issue here". ?
 

Jason

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Bill, there was an Australian company that ADVERTISED they would test for BSE if Japan asked for it. It wasn't official Australian policy.

It has an arrogance about it that maybe Canada had pre 2003... that being we don't have BSE so we are BSE free.

This shows 2 things.

1) The blamers here will switch a position as soon as they think it benefits them. They were all upset over Australia now want to use them as a business model.

2) Any company can advertise anything they want, especially if they are sure no one will ask for it. The Creekstone deal was just shot down by this type of arguement. They advertised they had a market for BSE tested beef. Japan never had a formal offer "test 100% and we will buy at pre BSE levels". They never even had a formal offer to test and they would buy pound 1.

To use a company ad to try to insinuate national policy is foolish.... but what esle would we expect.
 

Sandhusker

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Jason said:
Bill, there was an Australian company that ADVERTISED they would test for BSE if Japan asked for it. It wasn't official Australian policy.

It has an arrogance about it that maybe Canada had pre 2003... that being we don't have BSE so we are BSE free.

This shows 2 things.

1) The blamers here will switch a position as soon as they think it benefits them. They were all upset over Australia now want to use them as a business model.

2) Any company can advertise anything they want, especially if they are sure no one will ask for it. The Creekstone deal was just shot down by this type of arguement. They advertised they had a market for BSE tested beef. Japan never had a formal offer "test 100% and we will buy at pre BSE levels". They never even had a formal offer to test and they would buy pound 1.

To use a company ad to try to insinuate national policy is foolish.... but what esle would we expect.

You're sounding like Agman now. If there was no OFFICIAL request of tested beef, then no request existed. :roll: Creekstone invested a couple million in their testing facility. They would never of done that had they not been sure Japan would take their beef. Who would of thought the USDA would stop a US company from trading a product acceptable to a foreign country.
 

Bill

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Sandhusker said:
Jason said:
Bill, there was an Australian company that ADVERTISED they would test for BSE if Japan asked for it. It wasn't official Australian policy.

It has an arrogance about it that maybe Canada had pre 2003... that being we don't have BSE so we are BSE free.

This shows 2 things.

1) The blamers here will switch a position as soon as they think it benefits them. They were all upset over Australia now want to use them as a business model.

2) Any company can advertise anything they want, especially if they are sure no one will ask for it. The Creekstone deal was just shot down by this type of arguement. They advertised they had a market for BSE tested beef. Japan never had a formal offer "test 100% and we will buy at pre BSE levels". They never even had a formal offer to test and they would buy pound 1.

To use a company ad to try to insinuate national policy is foolish.... but what esle would we expect.

You're sounding like Agman now. If there was no OFFICIAL request of tested beef, then no request existed. :roll: Creekstone invested a couple million in their testing facility. They would never of done that had they not been sure Japan would take their beef. Who would of thought the USDA would stop a US company from trading a product acceptable to a foreign country.

It is an Australian fringe producer group who knows darn well that their gov't is not going to increase the amount of BSE testing for any reason other than being forced to when they find their first positive.

The big difference is that Creekstone was also going to test Canadian cattle they processed.
 

Murgen

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I find it funny that Creekstone was able to find out that the Japanese wanted their tested beef, before installing the labs.

They sure weren't smart enough to check with the USDA first, or did they think they could force the issue after the labs were built.
 

Jason

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Lot's of companies gamble a couple million on something they think might happen.

If they had been allowed to test, and the Japanese took their beef they would have been months ahead of the competition, worth millions.

Or maybe if the USDA is so corrupt, they had "insider" information which they thought they would be allowed to test. They can't squeal on the official because they would be found guilty of bribery.

It must bite to have on of your own conspiracies come back to bite you.
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
I find it funny that Creekstone was able to find out that the Japanese wanted their tested beef, before installing the labs.

They sure weren't smart enough to check with the USDA first, or did they think they could force the issue after the labs were built.

Would you of checked with the USDA first? Bear in mind this would of been product OKed by a foreign country exclusively for that country.
 

Bill

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Sandhusker said:
Murgen said:
I find it funny that Creekstone was able to find out that the Japanese wanted their tested beef, before installing the labs.

They sure weren't smart enough to check with the USDA first, or did they think they could force the issue after the labs were built.

Would you of checked with the USDA first? Bear in mind this would of been product OKed by a foreign country exclusively for that country.
Geez but this is getting old!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off let me once again repeat that I support testing OTMs for export anywhere off this continent but who is it that makes and enforces the law in regards to imports coming into a country? Importers or the Gov't? The gov't of course!

The Japanese gov't has NOT said they would take tested US or Canadian OTM beef from Creekstone or anyone else. I wish they had as I would have liked to see the R-Calfers howl at Creekstone sending over beef from Canadian animals harvested in their plant. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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Bill, "First off let me once again repeat that I support testing OTMs for export anywhere off this continent but who is it that makes and enforces the law in regards to imports coming into a country? Importers or the Gov't? The gov't of course! "

The Government of the receiving country, Bill. Do you think the USDA should decide what enters Canada or do you think that decision should come from Ottawa?

Bill, "The Japanese gov't has NOT said they would take tested US or Canadian OTM beef from Creekstone or anyone else. I wish they had as I would have liked to see the R-Calfers howl at Creekstone sending over beef from Canadian animals harvested in their plant. "

They were asking for tested beef, Bill. Do you think they would of asked for it if they would not accept it?

You still haven't figured out why Creekstone wanted to test Canadian cattle. It wasn't to sell to the Japanese - it was to get some cash flow from their testing facility that the USDA had turned into a spendy wind break.
 

Bill

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Bill, "First off let me once again repeat that I support testing OTMs for export anywhere off this continent but who is it that makes and enforces the law in regards to imports coming into a country? Importers or the Gov't? The gov't of course! "

The Government of the receiving country, Bill. Do you think the USDA should decide what enters Canada or do you think that decision should come from Ottawa?

Bill, "The Japanese gov't has NOT said they would take tested US or Canadian OTM beef from Creekstone or anyone else. I wish they had as I would have liked to see the R-Calfers howl at Creekstone sending over beef from Canadian animals harvested in their plant. "

They were asking for tested beef, Bill. Do you think they would of asked for it if they would not accept it?

You still haven't figured out why Creekstone wanted to test Canadian cattle. It wasn't to sell to the Japanese - it was to get some cash flow from their testing facility that the USDA had turned into a spendy wind break.
What part of "imports coming into a country" didn't you understand? Yes that would be the recieving country. Most would simply call Japan the importing country while the US wants export. Got it?

Of course I don't think the US should decide what enters Canada.

Did the Japanese GOVERNMENT say they would accept OTM beef from the US if it was BSE tested?
 

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