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Fast & Furious - Loose With The Facts

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Montgomery, Al
Fast and Furious... Playing Fast and Loose with the facts

6/20/2012 9:52 PM CDT

This is one of the most devious and convoluted stories I have heard in a very long time.

This story begins as a plot to tighten gun laws in America. A plot that sounds ready for a B rate made for TV movie.

According to a new book by Katie Pavlich , "Fast and Furious: Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal and Its Shameless Cover-Up," the whole program
started as a way for the Obama administration to move against the 2nd Amendment and attack legitimate businesses selling guns.

So like all cheap B-rate movie plots the BATF was directed by the Administration to "find" a way to accomplish the goals of making these businesses look
like they are willfully violating Federal Law or at least flaunting loopholes selling weapons to Mexico for the drug cartels.

Fast and Furious was born....

The BATF WITH THE COOPERATION of Gun Dealers sold hundreds of assault weapons to a 3rd party "cut-out" who then took those guns into Mexico for the Drug Cartels.

"In the operation, there was no attempt to track the weapons sold, and some agents who tried to follow the purchasers were told to stand down. Not only that, but our government kept Mexican authorities wholly in the dark about the operation. Allowing these guns to "walk" into Mexico without surveillance and behind the backs of Mexican authorities guaranteed they would end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels and only be recovered after crimes had been committed, which is exactly what occurred.

As one ATF agent testified to Congress, "you can't allow thousands of guns to go south of the border without an expectation that they are going to be recovered eventually in crimes and people are going to die." Katie Pavlich said in her book

Pavlich names the names of the people responsible for Fast and Furious.

Emory Hurley is an Assistant United States Attorney in Phoenix who headed up the Fast and Furious.

He stood in the way of ATF agents and prevented arrest even when they gave him the perps on a platter. Pavlich records Hurley as saying again and again “no probable cause,” even though video existed of illegal straw purchases.

Hurley even prevented arrests in “a case on grenades.” Pavlich describes emails from cooperative gun dealers expressing concern to Hurley about the safety of border agents, but the dealers were told everything was fine and no guns were going to Mexico. Hurley kept the spigot of guns flowing wide open into Mexico.

Emory Hurley still has a job as an attorney at the Justice Department.

Another ATF Special Agent involved was Bill Newell. Pavlich: “Newell had earned a reputation for punishing those who questioned his authority.” When an ATF agent complained not enough was done to address threats against another agent, Newell retaliated. After the agent’s house was set on fire, “Newell doubled down. He had subordinates accuse [the agent] of purposefully burning down his own home.” A subsequent inspector general report concluded not enough was done to protect the threatened ATF agents, but Newell still has a government job.

Pavlich details in her book the on-going back room plotting by presidential appointees at DOJ. Assistant Attorneys General Lanny Breuer, Ron Weich, and Holder’s current chief of staff Gary Grindler all seem to be the orchestraters and drivers of the program known as Fast and Furious. All still have a job today.

We all know the rest of the Story. Some of those very same weapons were used to Murder U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and murder or the wounding of some 200 Mexican citizens.
The cover-up began almost immediately with certain key members under Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder giving instructions to the BATF to "out" the Gun Dealers for selling illegal weapons.
The "Evidence" didn't hold up as expected... Time-lines are a bit hard to explain when you are trying to concoct evidence. It soon became apparent the BATF was manufacturing the story against the dealers and the real drivers of this scandal is the Administration itself.

The real story here is the cover-up. Eric Holder and Janet Nepolitano both deny having any knowledge of the program. However, the facts belay the truth of this. It would seem impossible for either to NOT know this was happening, if not from the start, but at least at it's implementation. After all paperwork is the boon to the Federal agent and nothing is done unless it is written up in triplicate.
Their one true motto is... If it isn't written down... It didn't happen.

Eric Holder needs to be fired at the very least.. prosecuted at best. The Obama Administration MUST acknowledge the failings of the Bureaucrats and Bureaucracies involved and come clean with what they knew and when they knew it.

The Main Stream Media will not report this... They will not even question it. So what will we the American People do? Ignore it or remind the administration in November?

Faster horses

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Last night Dick Morris said that the msm hadn't picked up on this story,
only Fox News had covered it, but now that contempt charges had
been filed against Holder and the whole House has to vote on it,
they will be forced to cover it. Guess we'll see. It's a dirty shame that
they haven't covered it up to now. People were killed!! I hope this
takes the Obama Administration down--or at least some of the corrupt
ones in the DOJ.


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MSM will cover it but it they will edit tapes to make the Republicans look as if they are being Political in a Election year. They will never show that Obama claimed he knew nothing about Fast and Furious YET he asserted Executive Priviledge to seal records in the DOJ's office that prove who was responsible for the OK'ing of the operation that resulted in Brian Terry's death.

They will do what ever they can to turn this into something to BLAME ON BUSH clearing the Obama Administration of all wrong doing. They are not smart enough to realize that if Holder had proof in those withheld documents that proved it was Bush's fault and not Obama's Administrations ie Holders Office at fault he would have handed them over months ago. He is hiding something damning to this Administration and he and Obama are going to seal those records up as tight as Obama's past has been sealed from the public. Nobody will ever know which one of them signed off on the Fast and Furious operational plans.

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