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This is the feedback comments in the Georgetown Campus Newspaper:

May says:

February 29, 2012 at

Are you serious? Cry me a river! You ALREADY get aide to go to school for free and now you want the rest of us to pay for your sex? This is an outrage! Some of us actually paid for our college by working two jobs and eating peanut butter and jelly. We also bought our own birth control as well. Sounds to me like you Ms. Fluke are a great example of”entitlement”. Please tell me why as a taxpayer I should pay for your sexual activities? It is a manipulation to call it “healthcare”. You may be sick and need to go to the doctors but you DO NOT have to have sex! Two very different issues.





CaseyA says:

February 29, 2012 at

Sandra and every other woman in the US can pay for her own darn contraceptives. I’m so sick of hearing women whine about the cost–which is negligible–to engage in casual sex.

Sorry, I’m not interested in paying for your sexual exploits. As a woman I reply, \GROW UP ALREADY!\

This kid’s \testimony\ was ridiculous, hilarious and a sad commentary on the quality of logic and reason coming from supposedly intelligent university students. She wants it, therefore she must have it paid for by others.

Sheesh.





Wes says:

February 29, 2012 at

Oh give me freaking a break, women have no “right” to contraception; if a woman needs contraception then she can pay for it herself. I have no problem with it if she needs it for a documented medical reason but if you’re just having sex than you can do it on your own dollar, NOT mine. If students want to save money on contraception then these girls should study more and keep their pants on. That’s just the truth, taxpayers aren’t responsible for it.





Dan says:

February 29, 2012 at

Damn how do you find time to study, is this a law school or a prostitution school?





truth says:

February 29, 2012 at

First, Fluke says it costs $3,000 a year for contraceptives.
That is deceptive. Walmart has been offering oral contraceptives for $9 a month since 2007. That is $108 per year. Other pharmacies offer similar deals.

Second, why is it our responsibility to pay for another person’s recreational sexual activity? or incur higher insurance premiums for it?

Third, if a married person couldn’t afford the cost of her contraceptives one month, she and her husband could reduce their sexual activity for a few weeks and use a condom to save money, or practice abstinence until they saved for their own birth control. Or go to a free clinic.

Fourth, if a woman can’t pay for her contraceptives, then her male partner should cough up the money for it. Why should we pay for two people’s sexual activity?

Fifth, the woman who was denied treatment for ovarian cysts is a separate issue. We shouldn’t have to pay for everyone in this country to have a face lift if they want it, because one person was denied plastic surgery for a facial injury. That is why we have lawyers in this country, and that is why we have law schools like Georgetown University, to file lawsuits for people like this woman, and have the insurance company pay for their lawful claims.





Jared says:

February 29, 2012 at

What a stupid whore.
It’s not enough that she gets a free education, now she wants everyone to pay more, so she can be a worry-free skank?
I can’t wait until the global economic collapse.
Hopefully, most of you lazy, worthless leeches will starve to death.





Maria says:

March 1, 2012 at

The problem is partly United HealthCare. No one is denying contraception to women; United HealthCare is denying that medication for what is a covered condition. That’s a different legal problem & they should be dragged back to court (again, I might add!) to answer for that. Anyone who has had them has had justifiable things denied. They’re TERRIBLE and cheap for employers. Another problem with Ms. Fluke is that she is not an EMPLOYEE; this legislation applies to employees, not students. Another problem: there are other ways to get free or cheap contraception. My understanding is that she is for all students, including those who do want it as contraception only. Make their boyfriend pay it or the “door” is closed til they do! That’ll get those worthless guys to pay up! This is not a Women’s Issue, and shame on those tho think it is.
 

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Well she may have some problems, I'm sure there aren't many sexually active students, both men and women on the campus--she is probably in the minority. :shock: But it seems Rush is in a little trouble for calling her a slut. This coming from a conservative Christian??? Now he is in a little bit of trouble with his sponsors. I had to look at today's news to find this out. But as a conservative Christian, couldn't he have said it a little differently. It won't bother Rush though he's been feeding off the conservative audiences for years, he's probably a billionaire by now. I hope she doesn't stoop to his level and call him a pill-head or some other derogatory name. We'll see, I guess.
 

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TSR said:
Well she may have some problems, I'm sure there aren't many sexually active students, both men and women on the campus--she is probably in the minority. :shock: But it seems Rush is in a little trouble for calling her a slut. This coming from a conservative Christian??? Now he is in a little bit of trouble with his sponsors. I had to look at today's news to find this out. But as a conservative Christian, couldn't he have said it a little differently. It won't bother Rush though he's been feeding off the conservative audiences for years, he's probably a billionaire by now. I hope she doesn't stoop to his level and call him a pill-head or some other derogatory name. We'll see, I guess.


Rush was just trying to be funny like Dave Lettermen, when he called Palin a slut.
 

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Well she may have some problems, I'm sure there aren't many sexually active students, both men and women on the campus--she is probably in the minority. :shock: But it seems Rush is in a little trouble for calling her a slut. This coming from a conservative Christian??? Now he is in a little bit of trouble with his sponsors. I had to look at today's news to find this out. But as a conservative Christian, couldn't he have said it a little differently. It won't bother Rush though he's been feeding off the conservative audiences for years, he's probably a billionaire by now. I hope she doesn't stoop to his level and call him a pill-head or some other derogatory name. We'll see, I guess.


Rush was just trying to be funny like Dave Lettermen, when he called Palin a slut.

So that makes it ok, is that what you are saying.
 

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
Well she may have some problems, I'm sure there aren't many sexually active students, both men and women on the campus--she is probably in the minority. :shock: But it seems Rush is in a little trouble for calling her a slut. This coming from a conservative Christian??? Now he is in a little bit of trouble with his sponsors. I had to look at today's news to find this out. But as a conservative Christian, couldn't he have said it a little differently. It won't bother Rush though he's been feeding off the conservative audiences for years, he's probably a billionaire by now. I hope she doesn't stoop to his level and call him a pill-head or some other derogatory name. We'll see, I guess.


Rush was just trying to be funny like Dave Lettermen, when he called Palin a slut.

So that makes it ok, is that what you are saying.

Not only makes it OK, it makes them even.......................... :lol:
 

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
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Well she may have some problems, I'm sure there aren't many sexually active students, both men and women on the campus--she is probably in the minority. :shock: But it seems Rush is in a little trouble for calling her a slut. This coming from a conservative Christian??? Now he is in a little bit of trouble with his sponsors. I had to look at today's news to find this out. But as a conservative Christian, couldn't he have said it a little differently. It won't bother Rush though he's been feeding off the conservative audiences for years, he's probably a billionaire by now. I hope she doesn't stoop to his level and call him a pill-head or some other derogatory name. We'll see, I guess.


Rush was just trying to be funny like Dave Lettermen, when he called Palin a slut.

So that makes it ok, is that what you are saying.

no that is not what I am saying. Don't try to put words in my mouth.


What might be okay for some is not for others. Who are you to try to control what people say?
 

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Rush was just trying to be funny like Dave Lettermen, when he called Palin a slut.

So that makes it ok, is that what you are saying.

no that is not what I am saying. Don't try to put words in my mouth.


What might be okay for some is not for others. Who are you to try to control what people say?

So, was it ok for Rush?? Since you say it is okay for some and not for others.
 

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
So that makes it ok, is that what you are saying.

no that is not what I am saying. Don't try to put words in my mouth.


What might be okay for some is not for others. Who are you to try to control what people say?

So, was it ok for Rush?? Since you say it is okay for some and not for others.



I don't say whether it is okay for anyone, that's up to them.
 

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hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
no that is not what I am saying. Don't try to put words in my mouth.


What might be okay for some is not for others. Who are you to try to control what people say?

So, was it ok for Rush?? Since you say it is okay for some and not for others.



I don't say whether it is okay for anyone, that's up to them.

Oh, I see, you've made your position perfectly clear.
 

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her testimony was fabricated..

and Rush was wrong.. she is not a slut... and she does not need birth control pills... (or condoms)
 

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Steve said:
her testimony was fabricated..

and Rush was wrong.. she is not a slut... and she does not need birth control pills... (or condoms)

I'll have to disagree with you Steve. She may have been prompted prior to her testimony and I could have been fooled but if that's the case she should leave the law profession and go into acting. I watched her entire testimony,did you??

And are you saying she is infertile?
 

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TSR said:
Steve said:
her testimony was fabricated..

and Rush was wrong.. she is not a slut... and she does not need birth control pills... (or condoms)

I'll have to disagree with you Steve. She may have been prompted prior to her testimony and I could have been fooled but if that's the case she should leave the law profession and go into acting. I watched her entire testimony,did you??

And are you saying she is infertile?


She claimed it costs $4 per school day for birth control and you believed her?

:lol: :lol:
 

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Steve said:
hypocritexposer said:
Steve said:
her testimony was fabricated..

and Rush was wrong.. she is not a slut... and she does not need birth control pills... (or condoms)


Is she a lesbian?

according to her ex-girlfriend she is...

And she's lobbying for free birth control? NAW!!!!!!!!!! Say it ain't so!!!!!!!!!!

It was a set up all along????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess she could still be considered a "Slut"....................
 

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TSR said:
Steve said:
her testimony was fabricated..

and Rush was wrong.. she is not a slut... and she does not need birth control pills... (or condoms)

I'll have to disagree with you Steve. She may have been prompted prior to her testimony and I could have been fooled but if that's the case she should leave the law profession and go into acting. I watched her entire testimony,did you??

And are you saying she is infertile?

I have seen and listened to it..


I have also read some of her work.. or writings..

she fabricated her testimony.. she is an activist.. she went to Georgetown to go to a school that has a strict policy so she could fight against the policy..

in her own words.. http://lsrj.org/
 

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Steve said:
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Steve said:
her testimony was fabricated..

and Rush was wrong.. she is not a slut... and she does not need birth control pills... (or condoms)

I'll have to disagree with you Steve. She may have been prompted prior to her testimony and I could have been fooled but if that's the case she should leave the law profession and go into acting. I watched her entire testimony,did you??

And are you saying she is infertile?

I have seen and listened to it..


I have also read some of her work.. or writings..

she fabricated her testimony.. she is an activist.. she went to Georgetown to go to a school that has a strict policy so she could fight against the policy..

in her own words.. http://lsrj.org/

Show where the fabrication occurred if you don't mind. I went to the site and the major thing I read was her criticism of not being able to testify before Issa's committee.
 

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Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue. She’s a former president of the university’s chapter of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, and is an organizer with Catholic Students for Women’s Health, a coalition of students from Catholic colleges and universities.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/sandra-fluke/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-fame-hungry-activist#ixzz1o25Nw2xp
 

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“My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.

(Applause)

“We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.

“I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.

“We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.

“Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic or Jesuit institutions.

she acknowledges the law doesn't apply to the school.. so why is she heralding an "adjustment" if it excludes everything she has advocated for in the last three years..

“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.

“And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.

“And so, I’m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them – not me – to be heard.

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.
nope there are not lots.. three.. she is a chosen one who received a coveted scholarship

“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.

“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.
she could walk to one of three "free" clinics near the school

“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.

“How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?

“These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.

“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
she just took one example in the last paragraph and now it is 65% how does she explain the 35% who are given the exception and the pill with out being questioned? yep 35% were given the pill just because they asked and had a valid medical reason.
yet she still had an example of one who was denied

“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
if 20% are denied.. then 80% are approved..

“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’

“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.

“On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.

“Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.

“As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’
sometimes stories don't add up.. in her own words.. 20% are not covered, yet a gay woman with a medical condition is not one of the 80% that are covered.. and her concern is she will not be able to honor her mother wish for grandchildren?

“Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.

“Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were

“One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can’t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication – the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.

“Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.

“Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.

“I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

“Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority.

“One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handle all of women’s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that – something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.

“As one other student put it: ‘This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.’

“These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.

“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.
yes she is right.. the 450 year old university should change their founding principles and cave into her and those who need health care.. and give the other 20% the coverage.. remember she said 20% were denied.. that means 80% were approved)

“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.

“The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.
if the rule was an honest change.. it would not change a thing at your school.. so why thank them for "excluding your Catholic university?

“Thank you very much.”

now look at the numbers..

65% are questioned before getting the pill and have to have a medical reason to get it..

35% are just given it as their medical reason is considered valid..

20% are denied..

so if you use her numbers..

for every 100 female students.. 35% are given the pill

leaving 65 to fight for medical approval..

of that 20% are denied..

80% are approved..

so out of every 100 students. 13 are denied..

or 87 are approved and given birth control pills by a Catholic institution.

yet she applauded the administration for a rule change that excludes the very school she is attending...

she never claims to need the pill for herself for her relationship,.. she never claims a medical for her medical condition..

why ... because she is healthy, has insurance and doesn't need birth control ...

so to testify, she fabricated a story and made herself out to be a victim..

she is a typical activist..
 

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