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Feeders know the fat market?

Sandhusker

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Agman, Agman, Agman, you're a dandy.

I get a kick out of your choice of words; you "serve" a full spectrum of people. It sounds like you're really sacrificing.... :lol: There's no doubt who your allegences are with. All one has to do is read your posts on the various topics that have been cussed and discussed on this forum over the years. You can't hide from what you've posted. I'll suggest again you poll this board and see who believes you.

I know all about the reporting and the history of it - you could of saved yourself the bother of writing a strawman paragraph. Trades are reported to the USDA, but not all of them are reported to producers. You know that. Therefore, what good is information that the USDA sits on? It just as well not of even been reported to them.

In some cases, business do have to report virtually everything they do. It would do you some good to educate yourself on what Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffet) has to report. In most cases, they have to report even their INTENTIONS. That is because some people with common sense and no "contribution" to earn realize that big players in markets should be watched more closely because of what they can do with their size - intentional or not. It's the fat kid on the see-saw concept.

I have never "insisted" that the USDA is the only source of trade information. You're putting words in my mouth - a tell on the strength of your arguement against me. If there are no secrets as you claim, where can my feeder customers access how many contract cattle Tyson and Excel are committed to and when the trade dates will be? If trade information is so redily available, why didn't the defense in the Aberdeen trial point that out to the judge?

I have never stated that corporations enter foreign markets only to export. Again you put words in my mouth. Again, you tell on yourself. Why can't you argue with what I actually say? You were the one that brought up that report when we were talking about Tyson and Cargill in Canada. Are the US packers in Canada an exception to that report, and if so, why did you bring it up in the first place?

Japan - I guess we'll see, won't we? I won't forget your quote.

My "we" word game; It was YOUR analogy and YOU used the term "we". I simply want to know who "we" is. Again, you write a paragraph but avoid answering who the "we" is in your tale. Why don't you answer, Agman? Why do you completely ignore my question on what happens to the local producer in your story? I think it's because if you had the stones to answer, it would show who you truly "serve".
 

Brad S

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SandHusker,

Let your poll begin and end with me.

AgMan is the nuts with respect to market knowledge. If I need to prove this to you I can, but you already know what I'm talking about.

If you question AgMan's allegiance, reason why he even posts on R Net. He could just as well be swapping dirty jokes with Brookover and Hitch & Engler, but instead posts here to try to keep some of us schmoes outta our own $hit. Without even pimping his own service. AgMAn brings a different perspective than you or I have available. I've spent a considerable part of my life in an adversarial relationship with packers, and Agman's broader perspective allows me to see outside tunnel vision. If AgMan were a packer whore, he would be on staff at Cargil instead of running a private show.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Brad S said:
SandHusker,

Let your poll begin and end with me.

AgMan is the nuts with respect to market knowledge. If I need to prove this to you I can, but you already know what I'm talking about.

If you question AgMan's allegiance, reason why he even posts on R Net. He could just as well be swapping dirty jokes with Brookover and Hitch & Engler, but instead posts here to try to keep some of us schmoes outta our own $hit. Without even pimping his own service. AgMAn brings a different perspective than you or I have available. I've spent a considerable part of my life in an adversarial relationship with packers, and Agman's broader perspective allows me to see outside tunnel vision. If AgMan were a packer whore, he would be on staff at Cargil instead of running a private show.

You don't have to work for Cargil to be a packer whore - look at SH. Agman's got plenty of charts and graphs, and can tell you what has happened. Here's my problem with him;
He said Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. He was adamant about it. He was wrong.
He said Japan couldn't accept tested beef because they had no protocol. Now how big a deterrent is that?
He said Tyson and Cargil were in Canada to serve the local markets. You want to touch that one?
He called Harkin's GIPSA investigation "nonsense". Nobody is questioning what happened - it's as good as written in stone - but Agman calls it nonsense.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Everytime he gets in a tight spot, out comes the arrogant "I know more than you and you just wouldn't understand". He's here because of ego. I'm not impressed an iota.

If he's not a packer man, maybe you could explain to me who the "we" is in his analogy and what is to happen to the local guy - he won't do it.
 

mrj

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Brad S said:
SandHusker,

Let your poll begin and end with me.

AgMan is the nuts with respect to market knowledge. If I need to prove this to you I can, but you already know what I'm talking about.

If you question AgMan's allegiance, reason why he even posts on R Net. He could just as well be swapping dirty jokes with Brookover and Hitch & Engler, but instead posts here to try to keep some of us schmoes outta our own $hit. Without even pimping his own service. AgMAn brings a different perspective than you or I have available. I've spent a considerable part of my life in an adversarial relationship with packers, and Agman's broader perspective allows me to see outside tunnel vision. If AgMan were a packer whore, he would be on staff at Cargil instead of running a private show.

You don't have to work for Cargil to be a packer whore - look at SH. Agman's got plenty of charts and graphs, and can tell you what has happened. Here's my problem with him;
He said Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. He was adamant about it. He was wrong.
He said Japan couldn't accept tested beef because they had no protocol. Now how big a deterrent is that?
He said Tyson and Cargil were in Canada to serve the local markets. You want to touch that one?
He called Harkin's GIPSA investigation "nonsense". Nobody is questioning what happened - it's as good as written in stone - but Agman calls it nonsense.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Everytime he gets in a tight spot, out comes the arrogant "I know more than you and you just wouldn't understand". He's here because of ego. I'm not impressed an iota.

If he's not a packer man, maybe you could explain to me who the "we" is in his analogy and what is to happen to the local guy - he won't do it.


Just a wild guess on my part, based on the obvious, that when most people talking on an industry wide subject and say "we", they refer to ALL the people in that particular industry.

Maybe you do not believe that "we" cattle producers are in the cattle/beef industry along with feeders, packers, purveyors, retailers et. al.

However, many who are successful in the cattle business DO believe and understand that we truly are in both the cattle and beef industry and that if it is not a somewhat unified industry to the point that we all know what the other segments do and need from one another, we are very likely to fail.

Those with the attitude that "I produce cattle, not beef" blinders on will quickly find others to blame when their business fails to do well.

I don't recall Agman ever saying he is never wrong about anything.

Likewise, I do not recall any validation of your accusations against his accuracy, nor verification that there was no contextual problem with any of your accusations.

BTW, is Harkin truly your legislative hero? You surely are welcome to him, but please, please, please do not burden the cattle industry with his 'expertise' and 'support' of what is good regulation and law for our industry!!!!

'Mistakes' and all, cattle producers are far better served by comments on this site by Agman than by the 'expertise' of you, and Econ combined, IMO.

MRJ
 

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