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fff

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Sandhusker said:
Try these;
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2714.html

http://infinitewisdom.typepad.com/infinite_wisdom/2008/01/hillary-clinton.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22634967/page/3/

Let us know what you think.

From the msnbc link:

Number one, the Levin amendment, in my view, gave the Security Council of the United Nations a veto over American presidential power. I don't believe that is an appropriate policy for the United States, no matter who is our president.

Number two, I have the greatest respect for Senator Levin. He is my chairman on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I--immediately after we did have the vote on the authorization, went to work with him to try to make sure that every piece of intelligence we had was given to the U.N. inspectors. And Senator Levin and I sent a letter to Secretary Powell, we pushed that position very hard because we both had the same view that we were going to put inspectors back in and we needed to let the inspectors do the job that they were asked to do.

Number three, I actually joined with Senator Byrd on an amendment that would limit the president's authorization to one year. I was very strongly in favor of limiting what President Bush could do. Unfortunately, that amendment did not pass.

Fourth, it is absolutely unfair to say that the vote as Chuck Hagel, who was one of the architects of the resolution, has said, was a vote for war. It was a vote to use the threat of force against Saddam Hussein, who never did anything without being made to do so.

I think she made a credible case for her vote. I think it was wrong and she should just say so and go on. But she does have a case from the MSNBC transcript. No, I won't hold that against her.
 

Sandhusker

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The case for her vote was that she didn't know what she was voting on! Ignorance is a credible case? :lol: :lol: :lol:

MR. RUSSERT: I want to stay with your vote because that same day, Senator Levin offered an amendment, the Levin amendment, and this is how the New York Times reported it. "The [Levin] amendment called ... for the U.N. to pass a new resolution explicitly approving the use of force against Iraq. It also required the president to return to Congress if his U.N. efforts failed." ... Senator Levin said, "Allow Congress to vote only after exhausting all options with the United States." You did not participate in that vote. You voted against Carl Levin, who was saying give diplomacy a chance and yet you said no. You voted to authorize war. The resolution you voted for, Robert Byrd said was a blank check for George Bush. Ted Kennedy says it was a vote for war. James Carville and Paul Begala said anyone who says that vote wasn't a vote for war is bunk.


Hillary:"....Fourth, it is absolutely unfair to say that the vote as Chuck Hagel, who was one of the architects of the resolution, has said, was a vote for war. It was a vote to use the threat of force against Saddam Hussein, who never did anything without being made to do so."

MR. RUSSERT: The title of the act was The Authorization For Use of Military Force Against Iraq resolution.

Hillary didn't address that..... :roll:

MR. RUSSERT: But you voted for all the funding for the war.

SEN. CLINTON: I did. I never--I'm not premising my campaign on something different.

So, she voted for a bill that was titled "AUTHORIZATION FOR THE USE OF MILITARY ACTION", claiming now that it was only a vote for a threat. This person who would be Commander-in-Chief doesn't know the difference between USE of force and THREAT of force? Either she is lying or is hoplessly unfit for that position. If you have any regard for James Carville's opinion, you have to choose "lie".

So, we've come full circle now and the questions remain unanswered; Why are you supporting a liar? If she'll lie to you on this, what won't she lie about? What other things has she lied about? Why doesn't she have to guts to admit she screwed up - like the other Democrats have done? This is they type of person who you choose to be your leader; one who instead of admitting a mistake, lies about it and continues to lie when faced with the evidence of her lie? This tells you nothing about her character? Good grief, Frankie, figure it out!
 

loomixguy

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I'd like to hear what Vince Foster has to say about Hitlary.

OOOOOOPS! We can't. Vince is like many of Hitlary and Der Schleickmeister's acquaintances. D-E-A-D!
 

aplusmnt

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Red Robin said:
Oldtimer how American is it to make those that don't use drugs pay for the stupidity of those that do? How American is it to make those that don't have lung cancer from smoking pay for the treatment for those that do? Some lifestyle choices bring with them heavy consequences and the cost of those consequences should be born by the individual that made the choice.

:clap: :agree:
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
I thought you wanted everyone to have to pay their share of medical costs? I'm proud to support Hillary. Or I will be proud to support Obama if he's the nominee. If it makes you feel better, keep on preaching the "she can't win" mantra. If she's the Dem nominee, she can win. And I believe she can be an effective president. God knows, she can't be any worse than Bush. :D

Not speaking for Backhoe but an American should have the right to be unhealthy and uninsured if they so choose to be. The Government needs to make less decisions for us not more!
 

backhoeboogie

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aplusmnt said:
fff said:
I thought you wanted everyone to have to pay their share of medical costs? I'm proud to support Hillary. Or I will be proud to support Obama if he's the nominee. If it makes you feel better, keep on preaching the "she can't win" mantra. If she's the Dem nominee, she can win. And I believe she can be an effective president. God knows, she can't be any worse than Bush. :D

Not speaking for Backhoe but an American should have the right to be unhealthy and uninsured if they so choose to be. The Government needs to make less decisions for us not more!

:D I have insurance. Very good insurance. If the democrats are involved in the decision, they will triple the already high price and cut the benefits. Tell me which doctor I can see.

Hillary once asked about the repository, "Where are we going to get the money to build that?" Nukes plants have been paying 20 million per reactor, per year for years and years. Most for over three decades. My question to her is, "Where did you spend the money that was paid to build it?" Well into the Billions is already prepaid. Hillary was obviously ill informed yet again and didn't have a clue. Insurance will be no different. I'll pay my share and I'll also pay for several folks who refuse to get a job.
 

backhoeboogie

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Aplus, There is also the big depression scare going around. If we have a depressed economy, prices will drop. There will no longer be "rising costs of healthcare". Everyone will be crying bout all the dropping prices for everything they do and sell.
 
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backhoeboogie said:
Aplus, There is also the big depression scare going around. If we have a depressed economy, prices will drop. There will no longer be "rising costs of healthcare". Everyone will be crying bout all the dropping prices for everything they do and sell.

WHAT :???: Historically Health Care are the type of costs that don't drop....They are not a choice purchase- they are a necessity cost (unless you want to make the choice to die-then some Republican will even fight against that :roll: )- and necessity costs don't drop...

You can choose to buy a new truck- or go out to dinner-- But usually people don't choose to get sick - or be in an accident- and when both occurs its seldom you can go hospital shopping- and the medical field knows this......You watch- as our money gets worth less-and it takes more to buy products and services- health care will be one of the fastest growing....The reason even the government figure for the raise in health care insurance costs was 10.6% last year alone- when they claim the inflation rate was less than 4%....
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
backhoeboogie said:
Aplus, There is also the big depression scare going around. If we have a depressed economy, prices will drop. There will no longer be "rising costs of healthcare". Everyone will be crying bout all the dropping prices for everything they do and sell.

WHAT :???: Historically Health Care are the type of costs that don't drop....They are not a choice purchase- they are a necessity cost (unless you want to make the choice to die-then some Republican will even fight against that :roll: )- and necessity costs don't drop...

You can choose to buy a new truck- or go out to dinner-- But usually people don't choose to get sick - or be in an accident- and when both occurs its seldom you can go hospital shopping- and the medical field knows this......You watch- as our money gets worth less-and it takes more to buy products and services- health care will be one of the fastest growing....The reason even the government figure for the raise in health care costs was 10.6% last year alone- when they claim the inflation rate was less than 4%....

My health care costs did not rise more than 3% last year and most of that was dental insurance.
 

backhoeboogie

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Old Timer, You have to also consider the elective surgeries. For example I have put off a hernia repair for years and years. It doesn't bother me in any way.

There are also all the cosmetic surgeries going on. Those are all elective.
 
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Anonymous

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backhoeboogie said:
Old Timer, You have to also consider the elective surgeries. For example I have put off a hernia repair for years and years. It doesn't bother me in any way.

There are also all the cosmetic surgeries going on. Those are all elective.

Most insurances don't cover cosmetic surgery- unless its corrective to repair problems from an accident or a birth defect.....
 

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